Yes, the "hideous" phase one does look quite nice on the SDP40F. Had to get all 4 numbers last spring then they finally came out with the icebreakers. The phase 1 engine scheme was also applied to some E and F units, and they didn't look too bad. But I also like the passenger scheme version too. But I guess I have no taste.
Ok, I guess your vote for NH cancels out my negative vote.
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Aug 11, 2020 13:32:47 GMT -8
Jim, The NH McGinnis paint scheme's popularity and the fact that it was still in revenue service over 60 years after it was introduced would argue the point about it's attractiveness. Meanwhile, Amtrak's Phase I was supplanted by Phase II just over 2 years after being introduced, and Phase III (Amtrak's best scheme, IMHO) was put into service in 1976 and lasted 'til 1993 (really until 1997 on non-Superliners). It's also being used again on new cars like the Viewliner II's.
Phase I problems: 1). Introduced in 1972 - An era of sadness in America and railroading; bankruptcy, dirt, decay, malaise, etc.
2). Blue numbers and logos on platinum mist paint are a poor contrast.
4). Arrow logos on passenger cars interrupted the stripes and caused placement problems with cars that had windows or other obstructions at the ends of the window bands.
5). If Amtrak's colors are red, white & blue, where is the white on a Phase I locomotive?
6). There is no artistic connection between a Phase I loco and a Phase I car.
How productive is it to openly state our opinions on something we don't like? Probably the exact same productivity of stating our opinions on something we do like. Neither one is productive; it's not like Amtrak is going to listen to us, either way. But then this is a discussion forum. It's what we do. If we were only allowed to state positive opinions, I'm positive that wouldn't be good.
My rankings of Amtrak schemes: 1). Phase III 2). Phase IVb 3). Phase IV 4). Phase II 5). Phase I 6). Phase V (blob scheme)
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Paul, Honestly, I don't know McGinnis if it smacked me in the face. I took a quick look at the wiki and the region it operated is probably the least familiar to me of the whole country and that probably has something to do with it - what glimpses of it I've seen photo's of is rather like looking at a foreign RR. Maybe I'm biased for western settings since that is what I grew up with and find the most aesthetically pleasing. I've driven quite a bit across the west and have always been in awe of the grandeur. Midwest and east coast to me is mostly scenically mundane. But, we like what like and I don't expect those from other realms to necessarily be into what floats my boat.
Anyway, my ranking for Amtrak schemes:
1) Phase I 2) Phase II 3) Phase III
After that they all look fairly equally bland to me. The red white and blue of various iterations were all pretty good in my eye. But Amtrak does what it does and probably doesn't take any votes.
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Aug 11, 2020 19:44:23 GMT -8
Jim, Hey, whatever works. If you don't like the McGinnis schemes, that's cool. It doesn't bother me. Not even all NH fans like McGinnis schemes; some are downright hostile about it because they associate black/white/orange with deferred maintenance, wasteful spending, and bankruptcy. I don't have that because I was born 6 years after the NH disappeared. My introduction to the road was in pictures and videos, and at the time only the clean engines got published.
But if I may briefly describe it, the New Haven connected the largest city in the world with three state capitals, had just 2,133 route miles (at best) and yet was ranked the #3 US railroad in passengers carried. It was one of the few railroads that operated steam, diesel, electric, and trolley lines, while also having a sizable navy and intense bus/trucking operations. While we don't have the Rocky Mountains as a dramatic backdrop, we do have the Atlantic Ocean. And nothing has replaced the NH in the "hearts and minds" of southern New England railfans.
gevohogger, As I said, not all NH fans like McGinnis schemes. They cut off their modeling before 1955, so you won't get universal popularity even among us. Still, my point was the appeal of the McGinnis scheme in general. There's a reason why there was a NH McGinnis orange boxcar behind the steam engine on the front of Athearn Blue Boxes for so many decades:
Actually reading the article reveals that this paint scheme will be used on 5 of the first 6 Chargers - the 6th to get a special 50th anniversary scheme - with the following quote indicating there may yet be changes going forward:
"Amtrak says “a final livery will be unveiled later as part of a fleet-wide plan.”"
Being reported elsewhere Amtrak is creating a new paint scheme but it wasn't complete when Siemens needed something to paint the first 5 units in - so this isn't going to last long (which isn't to say that whatever they do come up with with be better or substantially different).