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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Aug 7, 2020 11:50:47 GMT -8
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Post by bigblow69 on Aug 7, 2020 11:59:33 GMT -8
Anything is an improvement.
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Post by simulatortrain on Aug 10, 2020 11:07:56 GMT -8
Anything is an improvement. I'd have agreed with you until I saw this. |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Aug 10, 2020 17:53:32 GMT -8
What I like is the return of the red chevron from the "pointless arrow" logo. That's neat.
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Post by jonklein611 on Aug 11, 2020 4:27:45 GMT -8
Now the new Acela 2.0 scheme makes more sense.
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Post by riogrande on Aug 11, 2020 4:36:38 GMT -8
I suppose going back to the phase 1 paint scheme is totally out of the question.
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Aug 11, 2020 7:11:58 GMT -8
riogrande,
I hope it's out of the question. Phase I was hideous.
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Post by riogrande on Aug 11, 2020 7:24:33 GMT -8
Paul,
Red/black NH scheme was hideous, while we are openly sharing our opinions.
Point here is each of us find some paint schemes attractive, while others don't. But how productive is it to state openly which we find hideous. Probably not very.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 11, 2020 11:12:27 GMT -8
Am I gonna have to send you two to the principal?
I think the Amtrak phase I on the SDP40F look quite nice. Like it was made for it.
Maybe less so on other locos.
AND.
I rather fancy ALL the McGinnis schemes, and I'm not even a New Haven modeler. Officially.
Now let me cast about for some REALLY ugly schemes. I can then join you guys in the office.
Ed
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Post by riogrande on Aug 11, 2020 12:06:11 GMT -8
Ed, it won't be the first time!
Yes, the "hideous" phase one does look quite nice on the SDP40F. Had to get all 4 numbers last spring then they finally came out with the icebreakers. The phase 1 engine scheme was also applied to some E and F units, and they didn't look too bad. But I also like the passenger scheme version too. But I guess I have no taste.
Ok, I guess your vote for NH cancels out my negative vote.
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Post by jonklein611 on Aug 11, 2020 12:33:45 GMT -8
To each their own, and I'm assuming nostalgia has something to do with it.
Phase I looks great on some hardware (Metroliners, etc.). For me, personally, Phase I was tarnished by the terrible Life Like cars I had as a kid. The ones with the "people" cutouts in the window.
Phase 3 is what I grew up with, so I love it. Phase IV just carries it along and looked so much more "modern" than Phase 3.
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Post by riogrande on Aug 11, 2020 12:47:55 GMT -8
Many gotta admit, this is nice, nostalgia or no:  Phase IV looks bland to me - meh. |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Aug 11, 2020 13:32:47 GMT -8
Jim, The NH McGinnis paint scheme's popularity and the fact that it was still in revenue service over 60 years after it was introduced would argue the point about it's attractiveness. Meanwhile, Amtrak's Phase I was supplanted by Phase II just over 2 years after being introduced, and Phase III (Amtrak's best scheme, IMHO) was put into service in 1976 and lasted 'til 1993 (really until 1997 on non-Superliners). It's also being used again on new cars like the Viewliner II's. Phase I problems: 1). Introduced in 1972 - An era of sadness in America and railroading; bankruptcy, dirt, decay, malaise, etc. 2). Blue numbers and logos on platinum mist paint are a poor contrast. 3). Unkind nicknames: "Bloody Nose", "Ruby Chested Rail Breakers". 4). Arrow logos on passenger cars interrupted the stripes and caused placement problems with cars that had windows or other obstructions at the ends of the window bands. 5). If Amtrak's colors are red, white & blue, where is the white on a Phase I locomotive? 6). There is no artistic connection between a Phase I loco and a Phase I car. How productive is it to openly state our opinions on something we don't like? Probably the exact same productivity of stating our opinions on something we do like. Neither one is productive; it's not like Amtrak is going to listen to us, either way. But then this is a discussion forum. It's what we do. If we were only allowed to state positive opinions, I'm positive that wouldn't be good.  My rankings of Amtrak schemes: 1). Phase III 2). Phase IVb 3). Phase IV 4). Phase II 5). Phase I 6). Phase V (blob scheme) |
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Post by riogrande on Aug 11, 2020 14:28:08 GMT -8
Paul,
Honestly, I don't know McGinnis if it smacked me in the face. I took a quick look at the wiki and the region it operated is probably the least familiar to me of the whole country and that probably has something to do with it - what glimpses of it I've seen photo's of is rather like looking at a foreign RR. Maybe I'm biased for western settings since that is what I grew up with and find the most aesthetically pleasing. I've driven quite a bit across the west and have always been in awe of the grandeur. Midwest and east coast to me is mostly scenically mundane. But, we like what like and I don't expect those from other realms to necessarily be into what floats my boat.
Anyway, my ranking for Amtrak schemes:
1) Phase I
2) Phase II
3) Phase III
After that they all look fairly equally bland to me. The red white and blue of various iterations were all pretty good in my eye. But Amtrak does what it does and probably doesn't take any votes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 15:37:19 GMT -8
I didn't like it until I drove past the new Acela last weekend. It looks sharp. Now I like it.
Given the same styling on the diesel, I'll probably end up liking it too.
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Post by gevohogger on Aug 11, 2020 15:39:34 GMT -8
Jim, The NH McGinnis paint scheme's popularity ...... Popular amongst New Haven fans, I'm sure you're right. Maybe it's time for a poll? |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Aug 11, 2020 19:44:23 GMT -8
Jim, Hey, whatever works. If you don't like the McGinnis schemes, that's cool. It doesn't bother me. Not even all NH fans like McGinnis schemes; some are downright hostile about it because they associate black/white/orange with deferred maintenance, wasteful spending, and bankruptcy. I don't have that because I was born 6 years after the NH disappeared. My introduction to the road was in pictures and videos, and at the time only the clean engines got published. But if I may briefly describe it, the New Haven connected the largest city in the world with three state capitals, had just 2,133 route miles (at best) and yet was ranked the #3 US railroad in passengers carried. It was one of the few railroads that operated steam, diesel, electric, and trolley lines, while also having a sizable navy and intense bus/trucking operations. While we don't have the Rocky Mountains as a dramatic backdrop, we do have the Atlantic Ocean. And nothing has replaced the NH in the "hearts and minds" of southern New England railfans. gevohogger, As I said, not all NH fans like McGinnis schemes. They cut off their modeling before 1955, so you won't get universal popularity even among us. Still, my point was the appeal of the McGinnis scheme in general. There's a reason why there was a NH McGinnis orange boxcar behind the steam engine on the front of Athearn Blue Boxes for so many decades: www.hoseeker.net/athearnboxes/Athearn%20Box%201970%20Blue.jpg |
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Post by mdvle on Aug 12, 2020 5:25:15 GMT -8
Anything is an improvement. I'd have agreed with you until I saw this.
Actually reading the article reveals that this paint scheme will be used on 5 of the first 6 Chargers - the 6th to get a special 50th anniversary scheme - with the following quote indicating there may yet be changes going forward:
"Amtrak says “a final livery will be unveiled later as part of a fleet-wide plan.”"
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Post by mdvle on Aug 12, 2020 7:27:14 GMT -8
Being reported elsewhere Amtrak is creating a new paint scheme but it wasn't complete when Siemens needed something to paint the first 5 units in - so this isn't going to last long (which isn't to say that whatever they do come up with with be better or substantially different).
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Post by lyonwonder on Aug 12, 2020 12:12:50 GMT -8
I wonder how long it’l be until Atlas, Kato or Athearn (which has recently announced an HO scale Genesis-quality P42 Genesis) announces Amtrak’s new ALC-42 as a plastic scale model?
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Post by jonklein611 on Aug 12, 2020 12:25:59 GMT -8
I wonder how long it’l be until Atlas, Kato or Athearn (which has recently announced an HO scale Genesis-quality P42 Genesis) announces Amtrak’s new ALC-42 as a plastic scale model? A long time. Bachmann has exclusive rights for the Charger. |
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Post by thunderhawk on Aug 14, 2020 13:06:33 GMT -8
Amtrak has never had a good paint scheme and the trend continues.
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Post by rockisland652 on Aug 20, 2020 7:48:09 GMT -8
Can we lose the sea turtle fin graphic please?
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