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Post by jonklein611 on Dec 15, 2021 6:37:53 GMT -8
Something similar could be done with words a modeler could cut up to spell AmRoad.
But I don't want to get thrown off the train by someone with not-so-attractive dental work. No! I've left this train twice already!
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Post by jonklein611 on Dec 15, 2021 6:41:48 GMT -8
Adding this here because it doesn't really require a full new thread. Rapido UK has some updates: - Opening the order book for The Titfield Thunderbolt models
- Liverpool & Manchester Railway 0-4-2 in two versions (Lion)
- Loriot Y’ machinery truck
- The Rapido Great Model Railway Survey ( Link to Survey )
- APT-E's are nearly ready to ship
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Post by brammy on Dec 15, 2021 8:17:24 GMT -8
Something similar could be done with words a modeler could cut up to spell AmRoad. I think Rapido very quietly did a very limited run of the Amroad locomotives. A friend has two, and they are in a labeled Rapido box for Amroad (I think. I'll have to double check). The dealer he bought them from said Rapido did a run and quietly released them on the market with no marketing.
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Post by brammy on Dec 15, 2021 9:35:56 GMT -8
Assuming they weren’t custom-painted, that’s rather duplicitous, considering the stink they (rightfully) raised about Big Dawg copying their F40PH shell or whatever it was. I looks like it was a run of 50.
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Post by pboilermaker on Dec 15, 2021 10:14:25 GMT -8
Assuming they weren’t custom-painted, that’s rather duplicitous, considering the stink they (rightfully) raised about Big Dawg copying their F40PH shell or whatever it was. I looks like it was a run of 50. "OK all you Amroad fans! We've spoken to Fox, and their minimum royalty would require us to DOUBLE the retail price of Amroad FP7s. So unless there is a Fox executive out there who really wants us to make these, it looks like there will not be any Amroad FP7s in model form. Sorry!"
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Post by jonklein611 on Dec 15, 2021 11:28:44 GMT -8
Nowhere on that link does it show that those were made by Rapido in the factory. Rapido did make a CP 4074. In the photos it looks like someone did a decal job to an existing unit. Here's the decal set: www.ebay.com/itm/202913498939
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Post by gevohogger on Dec 15, 2021 11:41:41 GMT -8
"OK all you Amroad fans! ..." "All two of you"
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Post by jonklein611 on Dec 15, 2021 11:45:54 GMT -8
The OP says Rapido made a run of 50 in the comments. I get that. I'm saying I have yet to see a Rapido Box with factory labels showing they made an Amroad version. I'd also want to cross check it against the know list of Rapido SKU's. There's a 99% chance that someone other than Rapido did a batch of them via decal application.
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Post by brammy on Dec 15, 2021 12:45:26 GMT -8
I get that. I'm saying I have yet to see a Rapido Box with factory labels showing they made an Amroad version. I'd also want to cross check it against the know list of Rapido SKU's. There's a 99% chance that someone other than Rapido did a batch of them via decal application. I reached out to my friend to get a pic of his label.
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Post by brammy on Dec 15, 2021 12:55:20 GMT -8
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Post by sd40dash2 on Dec 15, 2021 13:01:55 GMT -8
^ I'll drink to that!
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Post by brammy on Dec 15, 2021 13:05:46 GMT -8
I get that. I'm saying I have yet to see a Rapido Box with factory labels showing they made an Amroad version. I'd also want to cross check it against the know list of Rapido SKU's. There's a 99% chance that someone other than Rapido did a batch of them via decal application. Also, when my friend runs them, I've taken a good look at them. They don't look like decals. That was my thought. His silver streak cars are decals, and they look it.
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Post by jonklein611 on Dec 15, 2021 13:09:04 GMT -8
222516 HO Scale True North Locomotive GMDD FP7: DCC/Sound: CP Rail - 5" stripes: #4074
Proof is in the pudding. Thanks for posting the labels. Someone ordered a custom run and accepted the risk? No idea. I'm sure they are rare birds now.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 15, 2021 13:20:23 GMT -8
The box end, anyway, says AM ROAD. As opposed to PM ROAD. Or AMROAD.
In the movie, I believe it's AMROAD.
Ed
Who has never in his life thought about having a "Silver Streak" loco/train. And still isn't, actually.
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Post by brammy on Dec 15, 2021 13:31:59 GMT -8
The box end, anyway, says AM ROAD. As opposed to PM ROAD. Or AMROAD. In the movie, I believe it's AMROAD. Ed Who has never in his life thought about having a "Silver Streak" loco/train. And still isn't, actually. "The railroad was Ammy somebody" "Ammy Road"
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Post by gevohogger on Dec 15, 2021 13:43:16 GMT -8
The real CP 4070 still exists.... It's still in STCUM paint and stashed away behind some business in Quebec, minus it's engine, and miles from any usable tracks.
I think Jason needs to buy it!
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Post by csxt8400 on Dec 15, 2021 16:17:14 GMT -8
One of my favorite movies of all time.
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Dec 16, 2021 6:54:25 GMT -8
222516 HO Scale True North Locomotive GMDD FP7: DCC/ ???Sound: CP Rail - 5" stripes: #4074 Proof is in the pudding.. Well, that sure looks like pudding to me! Eh?! Might obtain Holy Grail status for collectors…
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Post by stevewagner on Dec 16, 2021 7:20:53 GMT -8
Are you all referring to the second Silver Streak movie? The first one starred Burlington's original Zephyr in the 1930's.
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Post by riogrande on Dec 16, 2021 7:30:32 GMT -8
This Silver Streak movie is the 1976 one with Richard Prior and Gene Wilder.
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Post by gevohogger on Dec 16, 2021 7:45:13 GMT -8
Are you all referring to the second Silver Streak movie? The first one starred Burlington's original Zephyr in the 1930's. Is there any reason to think we're not?
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Post by peoriaman on Dec 16, 2021 15:02:36 GMT -8
Classic movie. "You're gonna need a bigger boat!"
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Post by pboilermaker on Dec 19, 2021 15:47:07 GMT -8
I acquired 4074 a while back in the hopes of making it into Amroad 4070. It is doable with aftermarket decals and some minor repainting over the factory CP lettering and logos.
It would have been nice to have been able to get the Rapido Unicorn units, though.
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Post by lvrr325 on Dec 19, 2021 20:49:10 GMT -8
Nobody really thinks any monetary harm was done to the production company by the quiet release of these engines, do they?
Tyco made like ten million sets that said Silver Streak right on the side and that was fine.
I mean if someone's that big of a fan this isn't going to stop them from buying movie merchandise is it? When the Gene Wilder Fake Soul Man costume and makeup kit comes out surely you'll get one in your size.
Not sure I'd wear that, you'll get a whole host of other problems with the makeup, but buy away
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Post by riogrande on Dec 19, 2021 21:10:24 GMT -8
When the Gene Wilder Fake Soul Man costume and makeup kit comes out surely you'll get one in your size. Not sure I'd wear that, you'll get a whole host of other problems with the makeup, but buy away What, like the outgoing gov of Virginia? He managed to Jedi handwaved his problems.
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Post by mdvle on Dec 20, 2021 6:32:37 GMT -8
Nobody really thinks any monetary harm was done to the production company by the quiet release of these engines, do they? Tyco made like ten million sets that said Silver Streak right on the side and that was fine.
Monetary harm? Yes, there was - at least $50k per what Jason said.
As for Tyco, the train sets they released didn't use any of the movie IP so they were safe.
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Post by mdvle on Dec 20, 2021 6:51:24 GMT -8
i’m sure it would barely raise an eyebrow if Jason hadn’t pitched such a bitch-fit via blog and forum about Big Dawg copying his F40PH shell. Un-licensed IP is un-licensed IP; if one makes a principle out of it, then it shouldn’t matter who the David and who the Goliath is. Pretty classless and hypocritical to publicly decry it and then quietly do it to somebody else. As mentioned by someone else in this thread, we aren't really aware of who violated the IP here but it does appear that guilty party was the US hobby shop that apparently commissioned the exclusive run of models. That said, given Rapido was aware of the IP issues I would fault them for accepting the contract given they could guess that there was no way the hobby shop was paying the license costs. But Rapido is a larger company now and it is possible that an employee made a mistake in accepting the order, or as some on here believe Rapido looked the other way - we are unlikely to ever know the real story.
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Post by riogrande on Dec 20, 2021 9:07:20 GMT -8
i’m sure it would barely raise an eyebrow if Jason hadn’t pitched such a bitch-fit via blog and forum about Big Dawg copying his F40PH shell. Un-licensed IP is un-licensed IP; if one makes a principle out of it, then it shouldn’t matter who the David and who the Goliath is. Pretty classless and hypocritical to publicly decry it and then quietly do it to somebody else. As mentioned by someone else in this thread, we aren't really aware of who violated the IP here but it does appear that guilty party was the US hobby shop that apparently commissioned the exclusive run of models. That said, given Rapido was aware of the IP issues I would fault them for accepting the contract given they could guess that there was no way the hobby shop was paying the license costs. But Rapido is a larger company now and it is possible that an employee made a mistake in accepting the order, or as some on here believe Rapido looked the other way - we are unlikely to ever know the real story. We wouldn't want to give the benefit of the doubt would we? After all, we wouldn't want to be treated that way ourselves. /saurcasm
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Post by lvrr325 on Dec 21, 2021 5:23:23 GMT -8
Nobody really thinks any monetary harm was done to the production company by the quiet release of these engines, do they? Tyco made like ten million sets that said Silver Streak right on the side and that was fine.
Monetary harm? Yes, there was - at least $50k per what Jason said.
As for Tyco, the train sets they released didn't use any of the movie IP so they were safe.
What I'm getting at is the studio will lose no money from this, other than that ludicrous fee. I'm actually shocked they wanted so much, frankly, this isn't like Star Wars or something where there's been multiple sequels and a continual demand for related merchandise. In fact I don't know that there ever was any merchandising, other than the previously mentioned co-opting of the name by Tyco for entirely unrelated train sets. So should they choose to release something in the future, anyone who was a fan enough to buy these will likely buy that too. But the production company probably should be grateful at this point that anyone even remembers this movie. Not because it's a bad movie but here again it's no Star Wars. Do we even know what these sold for? Was there a big price premium or the same as other roadnames? I wonder if the production quantity falls in a legal loophole. I am willing to accept there's a big difference between using the name on the side of a model and a near clone of your model with some minor changes, although I also think that should Rapido offer the Cabbage or whatever other variants Big Dawg was making, they will sell just as many as if the Big Dawg never existed. There's a limited number of guys willing to put the effort in to make something like that, and even for some of us who probably could manage to build and paint one, it's getting to where if I can buy one ready to go for $250 do I really want to have to buy, paint, detail a shell that I then have to buy the $250 model to use the shell on, between the costs and the time to do the work? I could probably do up five Lehigh Valley cabooses for the cost of one Rapido and I'm still buying multiple of those for myself. In fact I probably have ten Proto cars in various stages of disrepair intended for exactly that, including MIB undecs, and have yet to touch them.
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Post by gevohogger on Dec 21, 2021 5:59:57 GMT -8
Monetary harm? Yes, there was - at least $50k per what Jason said.
As for Tyco, the train sets they released didn't use any of the movie IP so they were safe.
What I'm getting at is the studio will lose no money from this, other than that ludicrous fee. I'm actually shocked they wanted so much, frankly, this isn't like Star Wars or something where there's been multiple sequels and a continual demand for related merchandise. That it was the No. 5 movie of 1976 (an off-year overall in-between 1975's Jaws and 1977s Star Wars and Close Encounters) isn't enough? At least it earned more than All The President's Men.
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