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Post by sd40dash2 on Sept 20, 2020 13:54:59 GMT -8
I stumbled upon the instruction sheet for the 910-201 detailing kit which shows drawings for 3 different styles of Mainline cabooses. The first two are already out but the third is a surprise to me: "910-8750 International Wide-Vision caboose" ebay auction link, click on photos to enlargeBased on the end panel and toolbox I'm thinking perhaps GN? Anyone know anything about this? |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 20, 2020 15:29:50 GMT -8
I agree it matches up real well with GN "narrow" cupola International cabeese.
The similar Atlas car matches up real well with NP "narrow" International cabeese.
Other than that, I know nothing, I see nothing, I hear nothing, Colonel.
Ed
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Post by fr8kar on Sept 20, 2020 16:00:18 GMT -8
I can't tell from the photo, but shouldn't the standard cupola be a non-overhanging roof? If Walthers makes a standard cupola caboose with that roof it gets a whole lot easier to make some models I want.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 20, 2020 16:27:50 GMT -8
In the drawing in the photo, I can't tell for sure if the roof is overhanging or not.
For the GN cars, X-51 thru X-65 is non-overhanging. I can't tell which way for sure for X-66 through X-85, but I think overhanging. X-86 to X-95 is definitely overhanging.
Ed
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Post by thebessemerkid on Sept 20, 2020 16:36:02 GMT -8
So 8720 & 8750 with different window arrangements and roofwalks?  |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 20, 2020 17:25:10 GMT -8
910-8650 is a bay window
910-8700 is an extended vision
910-8750 is a "regular"
8750 is the one that looks GN. I don't know the other two.
There is no 8720.
Ed
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Post by thebessemerkid on Sept 20, 2020 18:24:01 GMT -8
8700, 8720 I was only 0.23% off...  (Pic is fuzzy; looked like 8720 to me, but 8700 makes more sense since they start undecs on 00/50 endings.) Which reminds me, several manufacturers are frequently putting advance reservations up with little notice, then stating advance reservations are "sold out". Well, make more. Or don't. TBQH, I'm to the point where *some* companies with an attitude of "you consumers are here to meet our production schedules" can shove off. I have enough trains to last me the rest of several lifetimes. I enjoy new and better products and try to support the hobby. I am sick and darn tired of finding out that some company (and there are MANY) who have some narrow or unannounced window for reserving (aka "assuming risk") products and one finds out a week or month later and we are SOL. I'm looking at a page for one manufacturer who gas a certain prpduct slated for delivery in May 2021. Yet advanced reservations for a certain roadname are SOLD OUT. Seriously? You can't make more? I'm thinking some folks got their edumacation at the pre-Berlin Wall East German school of Five-year plans. I picture Nikita Kruschev at the production meetings, banging his shoe on the table, with Rosa Klebb ready to dispatch any customers who do not conform to the plan.  |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Sept 20, 2020 18:27:48 GMT -8
The above got started with seeing some Walthers undecs that appeared after they were apparently sold out. Not every customer lives and dies by manufacturers "Precision Scheduled Advance Preorder Notification" system. Harrrummph. ETA2 Almost typed Elsa Klensch instead of Rosa Klebb:  I think Rosa would have been more fun... |
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Post by lvrr325 on Sept 20, 2020 23:46:02 GMT -8
I think because the stuff is all made in one or two factories they have to compete for production run time. Hence they order X quantity and no more. It's not like the days when Irv could have the guys swap some dies around and crank out another run of something when the stock gets low.
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Post by fr8kar on Sept 21, 2020 3:06:48 GMT -8
Maybe that's the reason I can't get Greenville 100-ton twin hoppers or Ortner rock cars in quantity at any price. These are both popular unit train cars that are just gone.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Sept 22, 2020 10:46:42 GMT -8
Here's a better scan of the relevant part of the instruction sheet that came with the Walthers Mainline Caboose Detail Kit (click on the image to view it and zoom in if you want):  Looks like a GN prototype to me. |
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Post by fr8kar on Sept 22, 2020 11:11:37 GMT -8
Overhanging roof it is then. I am *far* from an expert on Great Northern cabooses, but the X31-X40 group I'm familiar with has a non-overhanging roof. Of course my books are out of reach at the moment so even though I know where to get the answer I will have to wait....
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 22, 2020 11:12:03 GMT -8
And an overhanging roof.
Ed
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Sept 23, 2020 2:48:17 GMT -8
Overhanging roof it is then. I am *far* from an expert on Great Northern cabooses, but the X31-X40 group I'm familiar with has a non-overhanging roof. Of course my books are out of reach at the moment so even though I know where to get the answer I will have to wait.... I've just taken a look in Scott Thompson's GN Equipment Color Pictorial Vol 3 and it looks like these are a match for GN X66-X85 and X86-X95 series. The earlier series had non-overhanging roofs, and the X31-X40 series in particular has the unique cupola side window arrangement -- two windows at the ends rather than one window in the middle. X31-X40, X41-X50, and X51-X65 were all built at the GN St Cloud shops. After this GN went to Morrison International. X78: flic.kr/p/7nWoBU (mirrored image!) X82: flic.kr/p/28DWbiN (new) X90: flic.kr/p/LUHV3a |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Sept 23, 2020 2:56:23 GMT -8
NP series 10100-10149 (built as 1100-1149) were also very similar. Roof and cupola window arrangement seems to match though these had sunshades on the cupola, but they had left hand end ladders versus right hand on the GN's. Side windows may also be different (NP might have all-square rather than some smaller rounded windows on the GN cars), and I can't see if the NP cars had the toolbox. Also a sunshade on the cupola. Of course all of these ended up on the BN. So I'm betting Walthers will make these decorated for GN, NP, BN at least. BN 10278 (Ex NP 10117, Ex NP 1117): flic.kr/p/rsUcZv (has small rounded window and no toolbox) BN 10304 (Ex NP 10143, Ex NP 1143): flic.kr/p/rCzKpb (square windows on the other side) I did also start to wonder if Walthers' tooling allows them to use the cupola from their "International Extended Wide-Vision" model on this body, but they have different roof stamping patterns so that would look really weird at best. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 23, 2020 7:06:01 GMT -8
The Walthers model fails to match the NP/BN cars primarily because of the window arrangement. The roof stack is also in a different location.
The NP cars, at least generally, didn't carry a tool box. The brake equipment was on the right side, as opposed to the left, as on the Walthers. And yes, the ladder position.
The Atlas car is about as close. Perhaps closer, depending on one's views.
All in all, it's only a GN car. Which surely works for me.
Ed
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Post by sd40dash2 on Nov 26, 2020 20:40:53 GMT -8
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Nov 27, 2020 1:29:32 GMT -8
1967 to 1970, GN cabooses were painted Big Sky Blue. NB *at least one* (maybe some) were repainted BSB. I'd also like to point out that Walthers specifies "Barber Swingmaster roller bearing trucks with 33" turned metal wheelset" while at least some of the GN cabooses had solid bearing trucks. |
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Post by sd40dash2 on Nov 27, 2020 5:49:22 GMT -8
^ These cabooses had relatively recent paint by the 1970 BN merger, so it doesn't seem like many needed new paint in the short sky blue era. So far I have only confirmed X51/BN 10246 and X92 in blue. So I guess Walthers is releasing the most common paint scheme for these cabooses. Yeah I too am wondering about the trucks. I hope that was simply another erroneous copy-paste from their SOO caboose description as the trucks on these cars indeed almost all had solid bearings with only a single exception (BN 10246) I've noted. Walthers does have a track record of tooling the correct trucks for their various caboose models, so there is reason to hope they get this right. If they don't, TMW has beautiful trucks that can be subbed:  |
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Post by grabirons on Nov 27, 2020 10:47:46 GMT -8
$39?
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 27, 2020 11:01:02 GMT -8
Plus $10 for the, uh, grabirons. However. If you crave a proper GN steel caboose, your other choices are brass or do-it-yourself. I probably COULD be persuaded to sell you my brass version of this at a somewhat higher price. As far as the other cars go, you might as well just field an Atlas, if they make it in your road name. And you don't have to drill for the, uh, grabirons. Ed |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Nov 28, 2020 1:23:21 GMT -8
My go-to guy for Walthers purchases gives 30% discount on retail on new releases so I'm expecting to be able to pick up one of these for $27.50 Very reasonable, I think.
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Post by dstark on Apr 19, 2021 15:08:49 GMT -8
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Post by edwardsutorik on Apr 19, 2021 16:19:20 GMT -8
Thanks for posting these, Doug.
I'm looking forward to my two. If they're as good as I hope they are, I will also be in for a blue one and a couple of green ones, later. And I'll need more of the detailing kits.
Ed
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Post by grabirons on Apr 19, 2021 18:44:05 GMT -8
SD40-2! SD40-2!
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Post by edwardsutorik on Apr 24, 2021 14:37:31 GMT -8
Walthers ALMOST got it right:
Turns out that, on the prototype GN X-84, the slogan on the right side was misapplied. Walthers chose to do that same thing on BOTH sides. Unfortunately, the mistake was only on the right side of the real one they were copying.
Too bad. It certainly would have been neat for Walthers to have gotten it right.
Ed
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Post by sd40dash2 on Dec 7, 2022 7:42:01 GMT -8
A second run of these cabooses was announced in Dec 22.
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