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Post by 12bridge on Oct 29, 2020 9:23:42 GMT -8
Anyone use them yet? Kicking them around for a project...but they just don't really look "right" to me.
Amazing how after all these years, we still don't have good handrail options.
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Post by edgecrusher on Oct 29, 2020 9:49:16 GMT -8
I passed on them, I really like most everything in the KV line. But the material they use for the stanchions seems far to thin to look right. A "standard" EMD stanchion is a 1-11/32" tall formed channel. So that would be .015 in HO, witch I think is a thickness that can be etched. Maybe the etch that makes the "channel" depth doesn't go deep enough?
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Post by nsc39d8 on Oct 29, 2020 9:52:59 GMT -8
I have used them and was not really overly impressed. AS stated they do seem little thin.
It also seems that the mounting pin varies or I just had a hard time getting them to bend properly at that point.
I will take some pics when I get a chance of that loco.
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Post by 12bridge on Oct 29, 2020 11:44:22 GMT -8
Thanks James. Leaning towards splicing some PSC's to the correct height.
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Post by mlwlover on Oct 29, 2020 13:00:29 GMT -8
it is really surprising that we dont have any handrail stanchion options in ho scale, i really wished someone would bring back the smokey valley. i passed on the kv as well as there is no sufficient mounting system the same with his windshield wipers. i am beyond the stage of using a blob of glue to attach parts.
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Post by mlwlover on Oct 29, 2020 13:02:14 GMT -8
it is really surprising that we dont have any handrail stanchion options in ho scale, i really wished someone would bring back the smokey valley. i passed on the kv as well as there is no sufficient mounting system the same with his windshield wipers. i am beyond the stage of using a blob of glue to attach parts.
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Post by sd50f on Oct 29, 2020 14:14:08 GMT -8
I picked up two sets, one set of the regular stanchions and one set for switchers. Have not used them yet, as I have other projects and real life to deal with at the moment. They look nice and I'm hopeful that they work well.
When I do get around to using them, I'll post pics. Maybe even a few comparing them to the Smokey Valley ones I have used in the past.
Timothy Dineen
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Post by onequiknova on Oct 29, 2020 17:28:49 GMT -8
I used them on my GP39E project. I'm OK with them overall. The bottom mounting pins could be a bit longer IMO. They may be a little thin, but the top of the stanchion where it wraps around the handrail is rendered better than most.  |
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Post by 12bridge on Oct 29, 2020 17:37:56 GMT -8
John,
They look pretty damn good there!
How hard is the rolling process around the wire? Do you solder them on first or ?
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Post by onequiknova on Oct 29, 2020 17:53:41 GMT -8
It's not bad after a couple practice stanchions. I made a simple tool to hold a scrap piece of wire down tight in the step at the top of the stanchion. I started the bend with a small chisel and small screw driver, then finished the bend with some duck bill pliers. The only problem with doing it this way is you have to do some bending of the handrails after threading the appropriate amount of stanchions on. I chickened out on soldering and just used some very thin CA.  |
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Post by 12bridge on Oct 29, 2020 18:33:59 GMT -8
Thanks for the tip. I wonder if annealing them would make it any easier.
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Post by el3672 on Oct 29, 2020 21:59:58 GMT -8
bump see next post
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Post by el3672 on Oct 29, 2020 22:02:48 GMT -8
Thanks for the present on these KV stantions, those look really nice. I'm currently modifying four Proto GP-7's all EL with KV's screens and shutters & more proto details to follow. KV Stantions to follow, along with milling the fuel tank frame down to a 800 gal tank. BTW... KV models has some of the best etched loco detail parts out on the market today. Kudoo's to Scott L!! Thanks!!
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Post by popbumper on Jan 12, 2021 23:45:34 GMT -8
I used them on my GP39E project. I'm OK with them overall. The bottom mounting pins could be a bit longer IMO. They may be a little thin, but the top of the stanchion where it wraps around the handrail is rendered better than most. VERY nice! I bought his stanchions for my U33C project (have not used yet) and agree with most that the mounting system is rather, "lacking". Also concerned about the ease of "wrapping" them around wire though it looks like you have the process nailed down. |
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Jan 13, 2021 3:43:18 GMT -8
Reminder KV models supports the pirating of intellectual property. I used them on my GP39E project. I'm OK with them overall. The bottom mounting pins could be a bit longer IMO. They may be a little thin, but the top of the stanchion where it wraps around the handrail is rendered better than most. VERY nice! I bought his stanchions for my U33C project (have not used yet) and agree with most that the mounting system is rather, "lacking". Also concerned about the ease of "wrapping" them around wire though it looks like you have the process nailed down. |
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Post by slowfreight on Jan 13, 2021 7:55:38 GMT -8
Reminder KV models supports the pirating of intellectual property. Is that painting with too broad a brush? These etchings are his own and not pirated, so wouldn't it be fair to buy the non-pirated stuff? |
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Jan 13, 2021 9:33:37 GMT -8
No, buying anything from him is enabling. Until it hits his pocketbook - meaning all sales - and enough people tell him it's not okay to steal, then he's not going to reconsider. Reminder KV models supports the pirating of intellectual property. Is that painting with too broad a brush? These etchings are his own and not pirated, so wouldn't it be fair to buy the non-pirated stuff? |
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Post by ambluco on Jan 13, 2021 9:52:45 GMT -8
What specifically was pirated?
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Jan 13, 2021 10:12:24 GMT -8
Scott made the master for the SW7 for PNW Resins - which then turns around and sells them on eBay. IE used P2K SW 8, 9, 1200 body. Then there is a U34ch kit that he sells on his website that uses a cast of an Atlas shell.
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Post by ambluco on Jan 13, 2021 11:18:47 GMT -8
I just looked at all the U34CH kits. What uses a cast? All I saw was metal parts.
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Post by Christian on Jan 13, 2021 11:30:35 GMT -8
I just looked at all the U34CH kits. What uses a cast? All I saw was metal parts. I just went through the KV web site - Shop. ALL the shells and suspicious castings appear to be gone. Only his own etching work is listed for sale. Please verify my observation, but it appears that KV has cleaned out the pirate materials. |
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Jan 13, 2021 11:31:30 GMT -8
read the description for item KV-3003H. "The kit consists of a resin shell and a set of etched details to complete the shell" I just looked at all the U34CH kits. What uses a cast? All I saw was metal parts. |
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Post by Christian on Jan 13, 2021 11:32:25 GMT -8
Scott made the master for the SW7 for PNW Resins - which then turns around and sells them on eBay. IE used P2K SW 8, 9, 1200 body. Then there is a U34ch kit that he sells on his website that uses a cast of an Atlas shell. Please go through his site to confirm my observation. Ambluco's comment prompted me to have a new look and all the pirate stuff seems to be gone. |
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Jan 13, 2021 11:35:33 GMT -8
You are absolutely correct. The U34ch was there before lunch and now gone as you stated. Scott made the master for the SW7 for PNW Resins - which then turns around and sells them on eBay. IE used P2K SW 8, 9, 1200 body. Then there is a U34ch kit that he sells on his website that uses a cast of an Atlas shell. Please go through his site to confirm my observation. Ambluco's comment prompted me to have a new look and all the pirate stuff seems to be gone. |
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Post by Christian on Jan 13, 2021 11:51:17 GMT -8
You are absolutely correct. The U34ch was there before lunch and now gone as you stated. I went through his eBay listings and, again, all that remains under KV Models is etchings. I'm really happy about this since I only recently discovered the product line. I very much like what I bought and would have wanted to show off my modeling with some of his EMD cab parts. I would have used the parts anyway - money spent and the parts were clean. But I didn't feel that I could in clear conscience display the results because of the "enabling." |
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Post by gevohogger on Jan 13, 2021 11:58:35 GMT -8
Maybe he saw this thread and decided to come clean!
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Jan 13, 2021 12:02:47 GMT -8
I agree. He has outstanding etchings - which I have a complete set for the SW1200 that I plan to use on the Rapido SW1200 if it's not up to snuff. Hopefully he has decided to come clean and I will continue to do business with him if he does.
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Post by sd40dash2 on Jan 13, 2021 12:02:49 GMT -8
Thanks Tim and Christian for your replies. You have both shown integrity and have said and done the right things. I am thrilled with the news that PNW has lost a supporter -- kudos to KV for now doing the right thing.
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Post by drsvelte on Jan 13, 2021 12:15:30 GMT -8
Scott made the master for the SW7 for PNW Resins - which then turns around and sells them on eBay. IE used P2K SW 8, 9, 1200 body. Then there is a U34ch kit that he sells on his website that uses a cast of an Atlas shell. Please go through his site to confirm my observation. Ambluco's comment prompted me to have a new look and all the pirate stuff seems to be gone. I ordered a U33C shell from KV last summer before I realized that it was potentially pirated; I don't recall seeing any references to BDO/PNW when I purchased it. Also, there were two or maybe three different castings available at that time. |
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Post by slowfreight on Jan 13, 2021 14:40:17 GMT -8
That's positive news.
IMHO, if KV took the kitbashed long hood and nose, and cast them without the sill or cab, you'd still have to buy an Atlas unit--thereby preventing harm to the folks who originally tooled the model. Plus you have the opportunity to use a 3d-printed cab plus KV etchings. The model would be better and it wouldn't feel nearly as scummy to me. Heck, KV could even license the fr8kar cab and cast it if he wanted to knock the U34CH out of the park.
I think there's a balance in selling resin models. IHP sold the GP40FH-2 for many years, using a shell kitbashed from Athearn components. The master required enough work that I can't see anyone claiming piracy.
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