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Post by upcsx on Nov 5, 2020 15:32:31 GMT -8
Have not looked at them in a long time can't remember if they have the high brakewheel if i can i will look this week end.
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Post by stevewagner on Nov 5, 2020 16:00:57 GMT -8
I have strong memories of the Hercules Pro-Fax and other billboard 5250's showing up in the 1970's at an unloading area next to the former Beacon Park Yard on the ex-B&A, ex-NYC in the Allston section of Boston in the 1970's. It may or may not have been connected with the adjacent Houghton Chemical Company, which definitely received some tank cars. Hercules appealed to me because it had a plant (formerly Imperial Paint & Dye) I think) in South Glens Falls, NY, on the Delaware & Hudson. But I think I'll stick with an old Athearn car nicely decorated by CM Shops. Too many other D&H items take priority for me.
I welcome the improved Also S4 but, again, will stick with earlier Atlas units. I'm oversupplied with switchers in contrast to modest-sized road units already.
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Post by bn7023 on Nov 5, 2020 16:16:06 GMT -8
This is an Athearn model that I kitbashed 21 years ago. Using 36-inch wheels, the body was lowered by 0.04-inch and placed in plate C.  [/quote] |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 5, 2020 17:50:05 GMT -8
This is an Athearn model that I kitbashed 21 years ago. Using 36-inch wheels, the body was lowered by 0.04-inche and placed in plate C. No, that is an AHM. It had a high brakewheel. The Athearn has a low one. Here's a page from the Athearn website showing the low brakewheel: www.athearn.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=RND16434Ed |
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Post by bn7023 on Nov 5, 2020 18:37:23 GMT -8
 Hahaha. This model was posted in the January 2000 issue of the Japanese magazine "Train." I converted it to high mount handbrake handle. If you compare this with my Bachmann and AHM models, you'll see that they're a little different.    AHM stock model  Bachmann stock model Do you know the following products?  Walthers/Kyodo brass model released in 1967  NorthEastern Models (or Ambroid?, quoted from Walthers Catalog 1975 edition)  Weaver model (O scale)  US Hobbies/Toby brass model released in 1971 (O scale) |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 5, 2020 21:10:33 GMT -8
Hahaha. This model was posted in the January 2000 issue of the Japanese magazine "Train." I converted it to high mount handbrake handle. If you compare this with my Bachmann and AHM models, you'll see that they're a little different. I do admit that I was fooled by those very large grabs you added. Because they are so large and out of scale, it led me to believe it was an AHM car. Why did you not just use an AHM car? It would have looked the same, and you wouldn't have had to add those grabs. Thank you for showing the Bachmann car. I had not recalled that one, only the AHM. From the placement of the top rung of the side ladder, I can see it is not the same mold. Ed |
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Post by bn7023 on Nov 6, 2020 2:39:41 GMT -8
Why did you not just use an AHM car? The reason is that I received a broken Athearn product at that time. ACF 4-bay CF-5250 models have launched from Tyco and Life-Like too. On the other hand, the first of ACF 3-bay (CF-4650 etc.) was Front Range in 1987. There were many 3-bay cars on the actual railroads, but I wonder why 4-bay was popular in the model. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 6, 2020 7:44:46 GMT -8
There were many 3-bay cars on the actual railroads, but I wonder why 4-bay was popular in the model. Thinking in particular of the Athearn model, which I believe was the first plastic ACF model introduced, I have the strong impression that the 4-bay cars had more of the flashy private owner paint jobs than the 3-bay did. And people were more willing to buy such cars than today, where we are more sensitive to reproducing typical car types and quantities in our trains. Also, the large covered hoppers had not been used much by railroad owners at the time, so there were not long strings of them visible in the real world. After the Athearn model, I think the other producers who did these were aiming at the toy-train, and followed Athearn's reasoning. Ed |
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Post by lvrr325 on Nov 6, 2020 9:08:53 GMT -8
I've always been under the impression that the AHM and Bachmann are the same tooling. However I can see differences in them in the photos above.
Yep, I probably should not have ordered the second round from Atlas after the ScaleTrains vultures put theirs out, but so be it. The UP ones sold pretty easily.
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Post by riogrande on Nov 6, 2020 9:48:45 GMT -8
Yes, it appeared to me also that some models were copies back then, F units, covered hoppers and more.
It will be interesting to see what the 5250 street price will be. I'll check with Mr. Eager to see if any were common across the Grande to see if I need one or two, or wait for a future run.
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Speaking of street price, I've gotten a notice from one vendor they are charging $54 for the Atlas 5250 hopper. So that's in the ball park of what some are guessing. Still pretty pricey but I've I find a version I can use, I might spring for one. Mainly I'd like to see of course D&RGW and a few other names.
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Nov 7, 2020 6:22:30 GMT -8
My dealer sent out an email with the 5250 cars at $54. I emailed him about the price and he said after the first of the year we’re going to see a big price increase for all models based upon the notifications he’s had from the manufacturers. Happy there are very few models I need a large number of and I can be picky for what I order. I can be done with locomotive purchases if need be.
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Post by riogrande on Nov 7, 2020 10:04:44 GMT -8
I saw a vendor post the same $54 price for the 5250.
As for big price increases, sounds like the dealer is trying to prepare his customers to brace themselves. Like, what else is new?
It just mean we'll buy less than before. Like you there are very few models I need so I'll be picky about what I buy as well. I probably have more trains then I can run as it is.
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Post by TBird1958 on Nov 7, 2020 16:41:22 GMT -8
I really wish Arrowhead or Exactrail maybe Tangent had taken this specific car on as a project.
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Post by migalyto on Nov 7, 2020 17:39:23 GMT -8
I really wish Arrowhead or Exactrail maybe Tangent had taken this specific car on as a project. Then it would justify $54! |
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Post by nsfantodd on Nov 7, 2020 17:48:58 GMT -8
I really wish Arrowhead or Exactrail maybe Tangent had taken this specific car on as a project. Me too! I don't mind paying a premium price for a well done car. I actually purchase really well done cars I don't really need to show my appreciation to the manufacturers. But I really dont want to pay a premium price for car that is comparable to Intermountain 4750 that has been around for years. |
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Post by TBird1958 on Nov 7, 2020 18:55:22 GMT -8
I really wish Arrowhead or Exactrail maybe Tangent had taken this specific car on as a project. Me too! I don't mind paying a premium price for a well done car. I actually purchase really well done cars I don't really need to show my appreciation to the manufacturers. But I really dont want to pay a premium price for car that is comparable to Intermountain 4750 that has been around for years. From the pictures I've seen of the Atlas car I think you're being cruel to Intermountain  I really wasn't kidding about Arrowhead, since they're taking on the Athearn's 4600, the 5250 would reap a lot more sales if done correctly as they have shown themselves able to do. |
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Post by snootie3257 on Nov 7, 2020 18:57:15 GMT -8
I really wish Arrowhead or Exactrail maybe Tangent had taken this specific car on as a project. How do we know they haven’t? Steve |
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Post by riogrande on Nov 8, 2020 4:41:44 GMT -8
We don't, unless Blaine has one ready to announce for purchase before the Atlas model hits the shores.
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Post by mdvle on Nov 15, 2020 16:54:36 GMT -8
VERY happy to finally see the S4 updated!! That hopper though, nope. Not for that price! Molded grabs, poor looking wire grabs (bends are very soft looking..).
Atlas briefly showed an EP of the S4 on the TrainWorld roundtable - they have tooled up both riveted and welded cabs and all new tooled AAR trucks.
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Post by severn on Nov 15, 2020 17:29:57 GMT -8
I don't quite see why the price increases unless they just think they can get it. In the other thread related to the round table discussion - it seems as though sales are up for many so... Why not try some increases to see what the market will bear...? Could be the thinking.
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Post by keiffer on Nov 15, 2020 18:00:37 GMT -8
I just hope they sell parts....
If I can get the gravity/pneumatic gates then I can build the cars out of a bunch of undecorated intermountain 4650s I have stashed away... I really need Thrall 5250’s but that’s another story.
But like I said if I can get a bunch of the gravity/pneumatic gates then I can build what I need to get by until someone else does them or I hit the lotto and can pay someone to do it!
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Post by lvrr325 on Nov 15, 2020 19:44:24 GMT -8
I doubt they would raise prices if they didn't have to. China may be paying workers higher wages, which raises costs, or it may be the US Dollar itself has lost some value so you need more to buy the same amount of product there. It's a topic suited for some other forum.
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