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Post by TBird1958 on Jun 20, 2021 8:56:55 GMT -8
I got started on this a couple weeks ago and have enough progress to start a thread, hopefully I can gain a bit more knowledge about these cars as it goes along. I began with a Con- Cor re-issue of the old Robins Rails '60' Greenville car with the thought that this specific car was one of the weaker models amongst my group Ford Fast cars, so I'm attempting to bring this up to a more current standard, in line with other appropriate cars from Tangent, Genesis, Exactrail. Here's a "shaved" car side, happily the ends only required filling in some small holes provided for attachment of the original ladders. Initial laying out of new parts. Here's a completed car side. "B" end details, pretty much done. The supplied under frame isn't great but initially I was going to use it as a starting point and simply add better quality parts to it. It turned out to be quite brittle and broke apart easily as I was attempting to remove unwanted pieces. I decided to just keep the flat portion and have added bolsters cut from a Details West frame, Moloco draft gear and have stated adding the center sill and crossmembers with Evergreen styrene. I'm using a drawing from a 1984 issue of Mainline Modeler as a reference for some placement although it represents a similar car with different truck centers. Here's the eventual goal......
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Post by drolsen on Jun 20, 2021 9:05:20 GMT -8
Wow, that is looking fantastic! Great to see that the basic body is very "salvageable." This is the type of dangerous thread that risks convincing me that I want to try building one... Can't wait to see it finished!
Dave
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Post by wp8thsub on Jun 20, 2021 9:26:10 GMT -8
This is good to see. I have two of the A-Line versions of this same car, and was considering similar detailing effort to upgrade them into compliance with the Tangent, Genesis and ExactRail cars available for auto parts service.
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Post by TBird1958 on Jun 20, 2021 9:41:41 GMT -8
Rob,
I must need to get out more, I had no idea that A-Line was the current holder of the die work for this car, no doubt they use a better quality of plastic than Con-Cor, that under frame might as well have been made from blackboard chalk.
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Post by packer on Jun 20, 2021 13:59:09 GMT -8
Nice. I’m curious what size styrene you used for the door bars and brake hardware? Also what’s the source on the tall ladders as I’m trying to find some that’ll work for the intermountain 60’ boxcar.
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Post by TBird1958 on Jun 20, 2021 14:14:20 GMT -8
The vertical is .020 Evergreen, the smaller stuff is .015 Plastruct, the ladders came out of the scrap box ( I have piles of that stuff), but they're not totally correct as they should actually have 8 rungs. I'm not certain if anyone produces such as a part you can buy. I wish someone would offer various door rollers!
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Post by riogrande on Jun 20, 2021 14:40:45 GMT -8
While the truck centers closer spaced may be prototypical on some cars, it looks a bit weird. I recall an article that indicated the center frame could be cut and turned around to the other version with the wider trucks.
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Post by wp8thsub on Jun 20, 2021 14:40:47 GMT -8
...the ladders came out of the scrap box ...but they're not totally correct as they should actually have 8 rungs. I'm not certain if anyone produces such as a part you can buy. DSC03986 by wp8thsub, on Flickr I was faced with a similar issue when building my Cannon & Co. NP boxcar. I found that strip styrene and Tichy rungs can easily be combined into a ladder with the correct dimensions. I built mine in place on the car, but you should be able to assemble them separately using a jig if you prefer.
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Post by TBird1958 on Jun 20, 2021 14:56:47 GMT -8
While the truck centers closer spaced may be prototypical on some cars, it looks a bit weird. I recall an article that indicated the center frame could be cut and turned around to the other version with the wider trucks. That's the car in the drawing, a possible next project.
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Post by lars on Jun 20, 2021 15:25:59 GMT -8
Yarmouth model works has brass 8 rung ladders in different spacings. Not sure if it would work, but Tichy has their 9 rung tall ladder that might be able to be cut down.
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Post by TBird1958 on Jun 20, 2021 15:28:22 GMT -8
Thanks Lars! I'll check that out!
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Post by lars on Jun 20, 2021 17:37:59 GMT -8
Also check out Detail Associates 6241 - 8 rung 16.25" spacing.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jun 21, 2021 3:00:04 GMT -8
Branchline ladders used to be available from Atlas but it seems no more.
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Post by markfj on Jun 21, 2021 3:47:17 GMT -8
I’m really enjoying these posts that show how to rework older kits.
What roads aside from the Nickel Plate and GT had these cars?
Regarding the 8 rung ladders; we PRR modelers need these in large quantities! I sourced some Branchline ladders through HOswap a while back, but those are getting harder to find (unless of course you buy a whole kit just for the ladders). It would be great if Tangent offered a sprue of ladders that included 8 rung ones. They would sell for sure.
Thanks, Mark
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Post by Christian on Jun 21, 2021 7:10:19 GMT -8
Regarding the 8 rung ladders; we PRR modelers need these in large quantities! Tichy has 7, 8, and 9 run ladders including tall ladders for auto parts cars. As well as rungs as mentioned above. I used the nine rung ladders, cut to eight rungs, in my Northern Pacific boxcar build. If you are new to Tichy they (he) has been around a long time. The plastic parts are equal to Grandt line. Mail order is quick and shipping charges are low compared to most other mfgr/dealers.
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Post by TBird1958 on Jun 21, 2021 7:13:55 GMT -8
How about the wheel size on the NKP car, at 88 tons I "think" those look like 36" wheels.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jun 21, 2021 7:28:32 GMT -8
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jun 21, 2021 7:31:06 GMT -8
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Post by TBird1958 on Jun 21, 2021 7:45:51 GMT -8
Cool! Thanks, Colin!
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Post by drolsen on Jun 21, 2021 10:06:19 GMT -8
What roads aside from the Nickel Plate and GT had these cars? I believe L&N had these cars also, based on an old friend and very knowledgeable L&N modeler who had picked up several of these models to detail for his fleet. I’ll check my L&N color guide when I get home from work to see if I can find some info on them. Dave
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Post by TBird1958 on Jun 21, 2021 15:54:17 GMT -8
There's this here.....Not one I'd do, but still cool.
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Post by drsvelte on Jun 21, 2021 16:13:21 GMT -8
The L&N rostered twenty 60' 100-ton 6,000cf Greenville auto parts cars in the series #105600 - 105619. They were assigned to Ford glass service in Nashville.
Reference: Steven D. Johnson, L&N Color Guide, Volume I, p. 45.
There is an article by Stuart Thayer in the May 1992 Mainline Modeler magazine about building this car with the A-Line or Con-Cor model.
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Post by dstark on Jun 23, 2021 6:21:52 GMT -8
Dave - of possible interest, CSXT 165217 patch job from L&N 105600-105619, Alan Gaines photo circa 2001: www.rr-fallenflags.org/csx/csxt165217d01.jpgDoug Stark What roads aside from the Nickel Plate and GT had these cars? I believe L&N had these cars also, based on an old friend and very knowledgeable L&N modeler who had picked up several of these models to detail for his fleet. I’ll check my L&N color guide when I get home from work to see if I can find some info on them. Dave
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Post by myoungwisc on Jun 23, 2021 7:04:15 GMT -8
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Post by riogrande on Jun 23, 2021 7:06:44 GMT -8
The article I read was in MR or MRG magazine, but what you linked does essentially the same thing to the bolsters, cutting and flipping to get the wider truck spacing.
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Post by drolsen on Jun 24, 2021 18:54:42 GMT -8
The L&N rostered twenty 60' 100-ton 6,000cf Greenville auto parts cars in the series #105600 - 105619. They were assigned to Ford glass service in Nashville. Reference: Steven D. Johnson, L&N Color Guide, Volume I, p. 45. There is an article by Stuart Thayer in the May 1992 Mainline Modeler magazine about building this car with the A-Line or Con-Cor model. Thanks for the info! Stuart was the friend who pointed this model out to me years ago. I probably have his article around somewhere... Thanks, Doug! Amazing both to see one of those still in CSX service in 2001, and that Alan caught one from this very small group of cars. He also posted it to the RRPA, not cropped quite as much. I added some of the data to it: CSXT 165217LN 105600-105619 became CSXT 165210-165227. My January 1989 ORER shows 8 cars in the CSX series, two SBD cars, SBD 165207 and 165216, and no L&N cars remaining, so they must have renumbered all the survivors from that group. Now I definitely need to dig out my old model and get to work. I think it was in the old red Robin’s Rails box. Dave
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Post by TBird1958 on Jun 27, 2021 8:58:47 GMT -8
A couple of shots to show this week's progress, the underframe is quite far along, with the "B" end almost finished except for a few small details that I'll add after the body and underframe are glued together. Here's the mostly finished "B"end of the carbody
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Post by jbilbrey on Jun 27, 2021 20:14:58 GMT -8
The L&N rostered twenty 60' 100-ton 6,000cf Greenville auto parts cars in the series #105600 - 105619. They were assigned to Ford glass service in Nashville. Reference: Steven D. Johnson, L&N Color Guide, Volume I, p. 45. There is an article by Stuart Thayer in the May 1992 Mainline Modeler magazine about building this car with the A-Line or Con-Cor model. For those interested, a scan of the car from the L&N equipment diagram book is available online as well, which could help with regards to truck centers: L&N Equipment Diagram Sheet B-119 (Fallen Flags Site)
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Post by drolsen on Jun 28, 2021 10:21:26 GMT -8
That’s an excellent reference, thanks for the link! I always forget that Fallen Flags has documents like that, in addition to photos, and I never think to look for them there. Dave
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Post by TBird1958 on Jun 28, 2021 10:33:08 GMT -8
I like this......Lots of history!
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