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Post by 12bridge on Jun 24, 2021 17:05:37 GMT -8
Anyone notice the subtle hint at NJT GP40P's in the newsletter? Seems like something right in line with what they are doing..
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Jun 24, 2021 17:42:03 GMT -8
The great news here for me is the high nose units. I have too many Bowser U25Bs to replace them all in my retirement, except will pick up some in my favorite road of EL. But I will find money for two each of the high nose in UP and Frisco. I've often said you could see almost anything in Buffalo, New York in the sixties and seventies, between pool power, leasers, and new unit deliveries. I never saw a UP U25B, but bet they appeared. I did see SP U25Bs on pool power in Bison Yard in the 70s. And it turns out that high nose Frisco U25Bs were running around the northeast on Conrail circa 1978 as GE lease power, after being traded in by Frisco (in Frisco colors but with lettering painted out), including in Hornell, New York: www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2043333There are also photos of one in Newark in 1978 in the Fallen Flags website, under the Frisco listings.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 24, 2021 19:14:43 GMT -8
Thanks! I was wondering. Ed
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Post by el3672 on Jun 24, 2021 21:26:32 GMT -8
EL had two orders of the GE U25's....First order as Rapido's first offering has the large one-piece windshield & wheel-type hand brake. I'll take two. Next up will be the second order with split windshields (with two panes of glass less expensive to replaced if damaged) & recessed ratchet -style hand brake handle. I'll take two of those to when later announced.
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Post by cera2254 on Jun 25, 2021 5:49:52 GMT -8
Somewhere I have a photo of a high short hood ex Frisco unit running on early conrail, may just have to spring for one since it’s so unique. Looking forward to Conrail’s at some point.
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Jun 25, 2021 6:19:19 GMT -8
Doesn’t the U25B share the same frame length and truck spacing as the U23B, U28B, U30B, U33B, and U36B? Understandable the sill, body, etc. would be different, wouldn’t the drive/frame lend itself to those future models? Guess it depends on how everything is tooled up and sales/demand work out. Wouldn’t mind seeing a alternative to the Atlas U23B.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 25, 2021 8:01:17 GMT -8
The UP artwork has grey trucks, should be aluminum.
The GN artwork is missing the white rectangular markings along the side sill.
Hope this is early enough in the process to get fixed!
Ed
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Post by cemr5396 on Jun 25, 2021 8:12:21 GMT -8
The UP artwork has grey trucks, should be aluminum. The GN artwork is missing the white rectangular markings along the side sill. Hope this is early enough in the process to get fixed! Ed They said during the live stream yesterday the artwork has grey instead of silver because silver does not show up very well on said artwork. Apparently they have a specific color of grey they use in place of silver on artwork that the factory recognizes and knows it represents silver, so the models should be correct.
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Post by lvrr325 on Jun 25, 2021 8:41:30 GMT -8
Saying a 30 year old Stewart/Bowser U25B will hurt sales of the Rapido U25B is as like saying you can have the old Stewart/Bowser F unit, or a Genesis F unit. It's basic economics. Most hobby guys are cheap. I can go on eBay right now and buy a Bowser for anywhere from $120-$250, some sound units are in the $150 range, and that's likely to come down when people who do buy the Rapido dump their Bowser units. List on Rapido is $240/$350, the discount is lower, in some instances I will be able to buy a Bowser with sound for less than cost on a Rapido without. Now your wallet may have unlimited funds to buy a dozen of them, but most guys are going to opt for the Bowser. I've had both Bowser and Rapido to sell and without a pre-order it was a struggle to sell both. The high-nose version, that's different, no one has done those before and I am sure they will be very popular. But the low-nose ones, all those have been done before, and they just will not sell as well as something no one has at all. The only exception might be when they do SP Bicentennial or the various MEC schemes, those appear to be in some demand. FWIW, while I need a couple of N&W F-units, I passed on the Genesis at $425 for two, I could buy a couple of Stewart for $50-ish and paint them if I had to.
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Post by lvrr325 on Jun 25, 2021 8:44:34 GMT -8
Bowser posted factory samples of the RS3 to their webpage - Bowser RS3I forgot it was Bowser now, the web page coming in April, what year now? Bowser is roughly three years behind because of the manufacturing plant closure debacle in China. The C628s they had announced took as long as ... I think a few still have yet to come 36 months after the announcement. The RS3 will probably turn up this year, they're close.
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Post by jd on Jun 25, 2021 9:12:37 GMT -8
I missed the hint about the GP40P, maybe someone could point out where it was? This would be very bad news for my wallet. The Bowser RS3 phase 2 will hurt enough, a GP40P will force me into bankruptcy. lol -JD
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Post by lars on Jun 25, 2021 9:47:44 GMT -8
Saying a 30 year old Stewart/Bowser U25B will hurt sales of the Rapido U25B is as like saying you can have the old Stewart/Bowser F unit, or a Genesis F unit. It's basic economics. Most hobby guys are cheap. I can go on eBay right now and buy a Bowser for anywhere from $120-$250, some sound units are in the $150 range, and that's likely to come down when people who do buy the Rapido dump their Bowser units. List on Rapido is $240/$350, the discount is lower, in some instances I will be able to buy a Bowser with sound for less than cost on a Rapido without. Now your wallet may have unlimited funds to buy a dozen of them, but most guys are going to opt for the Bowser. I've had both Bowser and Rapido to sell and without a pre-order it was a struggle to sell both. The high-nose version, that's different, no one has done those before and I am sure they will be very popular. But the low-nose ones, all those have been done before, and they just will not sell as well as something no one has at all. The only exception might be when they do SP Bicentennial or the various MEC schemes, those appear to be in some demand. FWIW, while I need a couple of N&W F-units, I passed on the Genesis at $425 for two, I could buy a couple of Stewart for $50-ish and paint them if I had to. On the other hand they seemed to have done ok with the SW1200, despite a good model already being on the market. On the other (other) hand, for alot of people last year lack of travel, dining out, etc., meant more money for hobbies. As people get back into other things, hobby spending may pull back a little.
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Post by elsdp45 on Jun 25, 2021 10:03:29 GMT -8
Erie Lackawanna U25B’s need black roofs. Also the “Radio Equipped” under the cab window is too far back. Will have to take a better look tonight. Hopefully that’s it.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 25, 2021 11:32:39 GMT -8
The UP artwork has grey trucks, should be aluminum. The GN artwork is missing the white rectangular markings along the side sill. Hope this is early enough in the process to get fixed! Ed They said during the live stream yesterday the artwork has grey instead of silver because silver does not show up very well on said artwork. Apparently they have a specific color of grey they use in place of silver on artwork that the factory recognizes and knows it represents silver, so the models should be correct. I see it's a very subtly different shade of grey than the other shades of grey. Seems like it would be good to be a little more obvious. Say, a much lighter shade of grey. And then there's the GN locos. Nothing on them, I see. I surely hope they get their "orange" shaped up. It is sort of OK, with me, on a faded SW1200. But NOT on newish U boats. Ed
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Post by ambluco on Jun 25, 2021 12:20:00 GMT -8
Looking forward to the future of Frisco Black U25Bs.
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Post by thunderhawk on Jun 25, 2021 13:00:08 GMT -8
Doesn’t the U25B share the same frame length and truck spacing as the U23B, U28B, U30B, U33B, and U36B? Understandable the sill, body, etc. would be different, wouldn’t the drive/frame lend itself to those future models? Guess it depends on how everything is tooled up and sales/demand work out. Wouldn’t mind seeing a alternative to the Atlas U23B. Not a GE expert but I do know early U28B's are pretty close to identical in appearance to late U25B's.
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Post by cp6027 on Jun 25, 2021 13:00:58 GMT -8
I missed the hint about the GP40P, maybe someone could point out where it was? This would be very bad news for my wallet. The Bowser RS3 phase 2 will hurt enough, a GP40P will force me into bankruptcy. lol -JD Not sure how much to read into it as a hint, but after the initial portion of the newsletter with the U25B announcement and H16-44 re-launch, there is a "Second Section" header featuring the rear of a GP40P with the class lights lit up green at night. It reminded me of the old "Second Section" and "Running Extra" headers they once had in "Trains" magazine featuring similar images of locomotive class lights/flags. I recall CN GMD-1 1027 was featured in this manner for quite some time.
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Post by simulatortrain on Jun 25, 2021 13:01:59 GMT -8
Anyone want to go in on some undec high hoods?
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Post by drsvelte on Jun 25, 2021 14:10:55 GMT -8
The “early” Phase I U28Bs shared essentially the same carbody as Phase IV U25Bs. Built in 1966, they were purchased by MILW, P&LE, RI, and SP.
Source: "A Guide to the U28B", The Diesel Detailer.
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Post by tom on Jun 26, 2021 3:30:03 GMT -8
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Post by lvrr325 on Jun 26, 2021 5:47:04 GMT -8
IIRC EL initially painted engines with grey roof, the black came later, perhaps to make it less obvious when units got dirty.
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Post by idgara on Jun 26, 2021 6:15:48 GMT -8
The “early” Phase I U28Bs shared essentially the same carbody as Phase IV U25Bs. Built in 1966, they were purchased by MILW, P&LE, RI, and SP.
Source: "A Guide to the U28B", The Diesel Detailer. I believe the NYC had some too, saw one in The Diesel Spotters Guide.
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Post by tom on Jun 26, 2021 6:20:50 GMT -8
IIRC EL initially painted engines with grey roof, the black came later, perhaps to make it less obvious when units got dirty. You got that backwords. Initially EL locomotives came with the roof painted black and then later as a cost savings later repaints sometimes kept the roof gray instead of painting the black. For instance here is a photo of a new EL U25B fresh from the factory with a black roof. www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2313505
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Post by alcoc430 on Jun 26, 2021 7:35:00 GMT -8
Saying a 30 year old Stewart/Bowser U25B will hurt sales of the Rapido U25B is as like saying you can have the old Stewart/Bowser F unit, or a Genesis F unit. It's basic economics. Most hobby guys are cheap. I can go on eBay right now and buy a Bowser for anywhere from $120-$250, some sound units are in the $150 range, and that's likely to come down when people who do buy the Rapido dump their Bowser units. List on Rapido is $240/$350, the discount is lower, in some instances I will be able to buy a Bowser with sound for less than cost on a Rapido without. Now your wallet may have unlimited funds to buy a dozen of them, but most guys are going to opt for the Bowser. I've had both Bowser and Rapido to sell and without a pre-order it was a struggle to sell both. The high-nose version, that's different, no one has done those before and I am sure they will be very popular. But the low-nose ones, all those have been done before, and they just will not sell as well as something no one has at all. The only exception might be when they do SP Bicentennial or the various MEC schemes, those appear to be in some demand. FWIW, while I need a couple of N&W F-units, I passed on the Genesis at $425 for two, I could buy a couple of Stewart for $50-ish and paint them if I had to. I will pass on these, I paid like $30 for Kato powered versions. It pretty hard to justify the $$ difference for me atleast
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Post by riogrande on Jun 26, 2021 8:15:19 GMT -8
While I have leaned to Genesis F units for most of my HO F's in a long time, I have kept my 10 Stewart F's as they are excellent smooth runners and have a very decent looking shell. If details are added and a bit of weathering they would be nice looking and running layout models.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 26, 2021 8:26:00 GMT -8
The “early” Phase I U28Bs shared essentially the same carbody as Phase IV U25Bs. Built in 1966, they were purchased by MILW, P&LE, RI, and SP.
Source: "A Guide to the U28B", The Diesel Detailer. I believe the NYC had some too, saw one in The Diesel Spotters Guide. The NYC had some phase IV U25B's: 2560-2569. www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=931279The P&LE had some look-alike (to the above) U28B's: 2800-2821. Painted NYC, but with sub-lettering on the cab. That's the one in the DSG. NYC itself had U28B's (2822-2823), but they were the later snub-nosed version. That's the OTHER one in the DSG. Ed
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Post by elsdp45 on Jun 26, 2021 11:28:43 GMT -8
Tom, you said it kind of both ways in your two posts. Factory painted U25B's had black roofs. U25B #2501 in this picture is a repaint. One thing that gives it away is the placement of the railroad name in the middle of the maroon band. Originally the name was above the band in maroon. Look at the unit behind it. Rapido's ad says that these units are being painted in the early scheme. I think actually, they are painting them in the late (last) scheme. If I had to divide up the phases of the paint schemes on the units, I would say black roof with name above the maroon band is the first (early) scheme, black roof with the name moved into the maroon band (the yellow lettering is much more visible than the maroon) is the second (middle) scheme, and gray roof (economy measure) with the name in the maroon band is the last (late) scheme. I personally like the second (middle) scheme. This picture is quite interesting. U25B #2505 had something happen to it. The door is all gray and the front of the side frame has fresh yellow paint. Another variation of the paint scheme can be seen on the C424 #2412. It has black walkways while the two U25B's have gray walkways. It is also a repaint since originally it was all black with yellow trim when delivered. C424's were the last units delivered in the original Erie Lackawanna freight paint scheme. The second Erie Lackawanna freight paint scheme of gray, maroon, and yellow came from the Lackawanna passenger scheme, was original paint for all the rest of the new units to follow. Best Regards, Chris
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Post by el3625 on Jun 26, 2021 15:09:38 GMT -8
Going to www.rr-fallenflags.org RR photos, EL, locomotives, U25B and I was hard pressed to find repaints, EL lettering in the marron stripe, that did not have black roofs. Seems to me if you found one without the black roof it was somewhat rare. It does seem that most all of the U25B's kept there black roofs for quite a while. I just went through about 100 photo's and I spotted ALOT of black roofs yet on them even after being repainted. Bruce
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Post by champagnetrail on Jun 26, 2021 16:45:42 GMT -8
Going to www.rr-fallenflags.org RR photos, EL, locomotives, U25B and I was hard pressed to find repaints, EL lettering in the marron stripe, that did not have black roofs. Seems to me if you found one without the black roof it was somewhat rare. It does seem that most all of the U25B's kept there black roofs for quite a while. I just went through about 100 photo's and I spotted ALOT of black roofs yet on them even after being repainted. Bruce Quite a few of them kept the black roof right up until the end. There might have been one or two still in the "As Delivered" with maroon lettering at the very end. I'll have to ask the experts about that. From roughly 1972 onward though, if a unit was repainted, it got a gray roof.
-pat
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Post by mdvle on Jun 29, 2021 9:45:37 GMT -8
Rapido have released a video for the launch of the U25B on YouTube
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