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Post by lackawanna1223 on Jun 29, 2021 10:22:03 GMT -8
There’s a shot of EL 2510 in ‘75 with the original maroon lettering above the maroon band on the Fallen Flags site.
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Post by champagnetrail on Jun 29, 2021 13:44:49 GMT -8
Going to www.rr-fallenflags.org RR photos, EL, locomotives, U25B and I was hard pressed to find repaints, EL lettering in the marron stripe, that did not have black roofs. Seems to me if you found one without the black roof it was somewhat rare. It does seem that most all of the U25B's kept there black roofs for quite a while. I just went through about 100 photo's and I spotted ALOT of black roofs yet on them even after being repainted. Bruce Quite a few of them kept the black roof right up until the end. There might have been one or two still in the "As Delivered" with maroon lettering at the very end. I'll have to ask the experts about that. From roughly 1972 onward though, if a unit was repainted, it got a gray roof.
-pat
Of the first batch of U25Bs owned by the EL, which were "Phase II" units like the upcoming Rapido model, one of them (2505) kept its original paint with the black roof and the maroon "Erie Lackawanna" lettering above the band all the way to Conrail. Only four other units (2507, 2508, 2510, and 2512) kept their black roof to April 1, 1976, but the black was peeling badly by then. All the rest had the gray roof as they were shopped starting in 1970.
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Post by champagnetrail on Jun 29, 2021 13:46:53 GMT -8
There’s a shot of EL 2510 in ‘75 with the original maroon lettering above the maroon band on the Fallen Flags site. As I understand it, the 2510 got repainted shortly before Conrail. Only the 2505 made it until the end in original paint.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 29, 2021 15:14:37 GMT -8
There may be a minor misunderstanding going on about the "thing" inside the exposed radiator area in one of the Rapido renderings.
The round "footstool" looking thing in the middle is an "equipment blower", according to GE.
The "radiator fans" do not show. There are two, one on the top of each of the big vertical shafts. The radiator cores will block the view from the top, so there is no need to have the fans there at all.
I am really impressed with this bit of detailing, and hope the screen mesh will be fine enough to show it off properly.
Ed
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Post by thunderhawk on Jun 29, 2021 15:55:53 GMT -8
There may be a minor misunderstanding going on about the "thing" inside the exposed radiator area in one of the Rapido renderings. The round "footstool" looking thing in the middle is an "equipment blower", according to GE. Traction motor cooling fan as I recall. Shaft driven off the prime mover with a gearbox beneath the aluminum fan. Removed the one on MILW 5056 at IRM years ago to get at the gearbox. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 29, 2021 16:32:15 GMT -8
I was wondering. If it is, there's got to be ducting going to the forward truck. Considering what they named it, it might do things other than/in addition to the traction motors.
Ed
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Post by cemr5396 on Jun 29, 2021 17:13:54 GMT -8
There may be a minor misunderstanding going on about the "thing" inside the exposed radiator area in one of the Rapido renderings. The round "footstool" looking thing in the middle is an "equipment blower", according to GE. The "radiator fans" do not show. There are two, one on the top of each of the big vertical shafts. The radiator cores will block the view from the top, so there is no need to have the fans there at all. I am really impressed with this bit of detailing, and hope the screen mesh will be fine enough to show it off properly. Ed If I am remembering what I have heard correctly the radiator fans will in fact be in there. In true Rapido fashion you will need to turn the model upside down and hold your head at juuuuust the right angle to actually see them. Like some of the stuff under their passenger cars. |
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Post by fishbelly on Jun 29, 2021 17:21:57 GMT -8
Now the question is. With all this high level of detail. Did Rapido include the different radiator screen patterns?
The ones on the intake sides are small rectangles. The ones on the top are larger squares and the ones on the top curve up to the walkway sides.
Just asking. Actually, that is something that probably nobody would even take notice of and does not really matter. The cad model looks great. Looking forward to seeing what the actual model will look like and how well it will operate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 17:42:18 GMT -8
I thought I saw on the Rapido website that not only are the screens slightly different, the rear step arrangments are also. I didn't even know there were that many phases of U25B. I was quite surprised.
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Post by slowfreight on Jun 29, 2021 18:13:26 GMT -8
I missed the hint about the GP40P, maybe someone could point out where it was? This would be very bad news for my wallet. The Bowser RS3 phase 2 will hurt enough, a GP40P will force me into bankruptcy. lol -JD fter the initial portion of the newsletter with the U25B announcement and H16-44 re-launch, there is a "Second Section" header featuring the rear of a GP40P with the class lights lit up green at night. It reminded me of the old "Second Section" and "Running Extra" headers they once had in "Trains" magazine featuring similar images of locomotive class lights/flags. I recall CN GMD-1 1027 was featured in this manner for quite some time. Don't expect it. I rolled my own GP40P because the response I got from Athearn was that if they did run the CNJ/NJDoT/NJT units I would likely finish my kitbash before they released the model. And that has proven true. OTOH, did I "break the seal" so that now they'll release it? Happy to be of service... A factory unit might also be cheaper. I had $78 in bits in mine after I bought the GP40P-2. |
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Jun 29, 2021 18:15:05 GMT -8
I am pessimistic about Rapido getting the size/shape/style of the screens correct based upon their past releases. Hopefully they continue to improve and they impress with an accurate rendering.
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Post by 12bridge on Jun 30, 2021 7:44:00 GMT -8
I am pessimistic about Rapido getting the size/shape/style of the screens correct based upon their past releases. Hopefully they continue to improve and they impress with an accurate rendering. Rapido and Photo Etch (assuming they will be etched) are two things that do not go together very well. Maybe they will find a different/better way to do them. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jun 30, 2021 7:53:10 GMT -8
Rapido and Photo Etch (assuming they will be etched) are two things that do not go together very well. Maybe they will find a different/better way to do them. Or maybe they'll find someone better at doing it:  Ed |
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Post by jonklein611 on Jun 30, 2021 7:59:06 GMT -8
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Post by jonklein611 on Jul 12, 2021 12:35:05 GMT -8
From Rapido on Facebook / Instagram:  |
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Post by mdvle on Aug 12, 2021 11:31:05 GMT -8
From newsletter 142 today, some road number changes for the U25B All SF numbers have changed to better match body/detail variations, 2 NH numbers have changed: SF #1600 -> #1609 SF #1602 -> #1610 SF #1604 -> #1612 SF #1606 -> #1613 NH #2503 -> #2504 NH #2505 -> #2508 PDF has been update |
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Post by fishbelly on Aug 12, 2021 12:41:04 GMT -8
I am happy Rapido is not producing the PRR version yet. If the first run of these are good and they sell well then hopefully Rapido will offer the PRR version and I will probably order a couple of them. I like the U25B and if Rapido takes the time to design and produce it right, then I feel it will be worth it.
I wonder if a Kato motor would fit into them.
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Post by middledivision on Aug 12, 2021 16:01:53 GMT -8
I think PRR versions with one and two piece windows and train phones, on the one piece window version, are a safe bet.
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Post by unittrain on Aug 12, 2021 16:16:49 GMT -8
Will definitely take some Pennsy units with and without the antennas, got a PC and a demonstrator on pre order.
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Post by lvrr325 on Aug 12, 2021 22:15:55 GMT -8
For what they cost the motor in them probably better be good.
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Post by elsdp45 on Aug 13, 2021 7:21:56 GMT -8
From Rapido news 142, I see they updated the Erie Lackawanna units now as "Late scheme" instead of "Early scheme". They also moved the "Radio Equipped" location forward on the cab sub base. At least they have fixed these mistakes. Kudos to them.
Chris
PS I still will miss the factory delivered scheme with a black roof. Maybe next run.
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Post by lars on Aug 13, 2021 12:01:57 GMT -8
It's good that they're fixing things, but it's becoming pretty clear that this project came out of the oven half baked. All the corrections are making me wonder what mistakes they haven't caught and what other aspects of this may be rushed through. I don't want to speculate as to whether they're honest mistakes or if it's now standard operating procedure to put something out that is 95% done and essentially have your consumers crowd source the remaining work, but as of now I'd rather sit on my hands and see the final product.
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Post by Baikal on Mar 18, 2023 11:04:05 GMT -8
Soon to be two years.
What's the status of the U25Bs? Has anyone seen a sample running?
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Post by typhoon on Mar 18, 2023 11:53:14 GMT -8
Soon to be two years.
What's the status of the U25Bs? Has anyone seen a sample running?
Why do you care? You have been quite vocal that you won't purchase a Rapido model, so why does it matter to you? Just looking to stir the pot? |
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Post by Baikal on Mar 18, 2023 12:29:33 GMT -8
Soon to be two years.
What's the status of the U25Bs? Has anyone seen a sample running?
Why do you care? You have been quite vocal that you won't purchase a Rapido model, so why does it matter to you? Just looking to stir the pot?
I, and other readers may want to know. Chill.
I said I would not purchase a new model from Rapido, but that I'd consider a used one. If it's not junk. |
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Post by locochris on Mar 18, 2023 14:14:11 GMT -8
It's in production. Current ETA is sometime in the 2nd quarter.
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Post by gevohogger on Mar 18, 2023 16:52:19 GMT -8
I had forgotten they were doing this locomotive.
Which reminds me - I heard the Intermountain GP16 is still in the pipeline somewhere!
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Post by Baikal on Mar 18, 2023 18:05:10 GMT -8
It's in production. Current ETA is sometime in the 2nd quarter.
Thanks. I wonder if it shares some of the mechanism from the RS-11, and if so is there any improvement. Or it could be all-new.
I hope the forthcoming 44-tonner can move below 4 mph without jerking. I have a twin-motor Bachmann unit with a keep-alive that runs very smoothly. But the shell detail is lacking.
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