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Post by typhoon on Aug 13, 2022 6:44:49 GMT -8
I don’t know, maybe they are thinking of adding working fans, but that has been done before by Bachmann in the UK market on one of their diesels (with a very toy-like appearance). I think the first Proto FA's had those as well. Brown box era.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 13, 2022 6:54:06 GMT -8
I don’t know, maybe they are thinking of adding working fans, but that has been done before by Bachmann in the UK market on one of their diesels (with a very toy-like appearance). I think the first Proto FA's had those as well. Brown box era. From a photo in the TCS article about converting one to DCC: Ed
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Post by cemr5396 on Aug 13, 2022 7:06:08 GMT -8
I like at how everyone is lining up for a bunch of these site unseen and price not provided. Ring that bell! ^THIS. these guys are brand new, have not even released their first product yet and everyone is lining up to get their first ever loco release when we have next to NO info about it? -What decoder will it have? -price? never mind the fact that since they are brand new nobody knows if they will even run any good.... Now that the sample GP38s are out and actually look pretty decent I would much sooner get a Rapido GP40 if it was announced tomorrow rather than get one of these sight unseen, and that is kind of saying something...
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Post by cera2254 on Aug 13, 2022 7:10:15 GMT -8
What was the purpose of demoting the GP40s to B units?
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Post by riogrande on Aug 13, 2022 7:21:46 GMT -8
What was the purpose of demoting the GP40s to B units? I believe it was a cost savings measure. The follow diesels were demoted to B units in 1972: D&RGW GP30's #3020-3028 D&RGW GP35's #3029-3050 (the entire class) D&RGW GP40's #3051-3075
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Post by bncascadegreen on Aug 13, 2022 8:23:33 GMT -8
Maybe I missed it but where are the Ditchlights on the BNSF unit?
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Post by joppasub on Aug 13, 2022 8:25:06 GMT -8
I like at how everyone is lining up for a bunch of these site unseen and price not provided. Ring that bell! ^THIS. these guys are brand new, have not even released their first product yet and everyone is lining up to get their first ever loco release when we have next to NO info about it? -What decoder will it have? -price? never mind the fact that since they are brand new nobody knows if they will even run any good.... Now that the sample GP38s are out and actually look pretty decent I would much sooner get a Rapido GP40 if it was announced tomorrow rather than get one of these sight unseen, and that is kind of saying something... They’re brand new to being a manufacturer; but Stephen Priest is a noted often published modeler with two first rate finished model railroads to his credit; he was also editor of Railroad Model Craftsman; the NMRA publications; and has also been a graphic artist for model companies for some time. His wife and he have also published several successful ATSF books on their favorite subject railroad. I don’t have any quarrel or qualm about his products; from my perspective. It’s exciting to me to have a Midwest modeler join the business.
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Post by peoriaman on Aug 13, 2022 8:44:38 GMT -8
I like at how everyone is lining up for a bunch of these site unseen and price not provided. Ring that bell! ^THIS. these guys are brand new, have not even released their first product yet and everyone is lining up to get their first ever loco release when we have next to NO info about it? -What decoder will it have? -price? never mind the fact that since they are brand new nobody knows if they will even run any good.... Now that the sample GP38s are out and actually look pretty decent I would much sooner get a Rapido GP40 if it was announced tomorrow rather than get one of these sight unseen, and that is kind of saying something... Sounds like they're just posting their wish lists. None of them have made a reservation yet or plopped down a credit card. Oh, and for the record... I'll take a Soo Line and a Western Maryland and a KCS and a FEC and a TP&W... Two TP&Ws, just for good measure.
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Post by unittrain on Aug 13, 2022 9:37:52 GMT -8
Mine is a wish list definitely won't be pre-ordering till I see some product. I really need 40s though so hoping they're emerge and are high end as that's what we need a top notch GP40.
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Post by rockfan on Aug 13, 2022 10:06:06 GMT -8
I like the Atlas GP40. Until I see a model from class one, I'm not worried.
Yes I'm glad they're doing Rock Island, gotta see the model.
I think it's only a matter of time before Athearn makes a Genesis GP40.
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Post by schroed2 on Aug 13, 2022 11:12:53 GMT -8
Two TP&Ws, just for good measure. hmm...TP&W had one as 21 in black (EMD lease), one as 1000 in black and one as 1000 in red (all the same prototype loco... ) ?
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Post by lvrr325 on Aug 13, 2022 11:48:40 GMT -8
Yep, all the same. Went on to be the only Santa Fe GP40.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 13, 2022 12:00:25 GMT -8
Maybe I missed it but where are the Ditchlights on the BNSF unit? I don't think ditchlights are required on a locomotive that doesn't/didn't exist. I'm finding no evidence that BNSF 3024 (the number on the artwork at the show) ever existed. And then there's the requirement that it be in H3 paint. Note that the photo of the artwork from the show (in an earlier post, supplied by Jim Fitch) shows BNSF 3024 as being "current". I do not find that number on a relatively current BNSF roster (January 2022): www.thedieselshop.us/BNSF.HTMLAlso, ditchlights are only required on the front of the lead locomotive. If this non-existent loco was restricted to trailing service, it wouldn't need them. Note the rarity of ditchlights on BNSF GP60B's. Ed
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Post by lars on Aug 13, 2022 14:37:00 GMT -8
I don’t know, maybe they are thinking of adding working fans, but that has been done before by Bachmann in the UK market on one of their diesels (with a very toy-like appearance). I think the first Proto FA's had those as well. Brown box era. The Aurora SD60F will have rotating fans.
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Post by lars on Aug 13, 2022 14:40:41 GMT -8
I think it's only a matter of time before Athearn makes a Genesis GP40. It was Athearn’s market to lose on the 38 and 40. They are at least 50% there out of their existing parts bin.
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Post by markfj on Aug 13, 2022 14:42:07 GMT -8
What is the reason for the large amount of cable bundling/routing above the front truck on the engineer side of some PC and Conrail GP40s? I haven’t seen this on GP40s from other roads like the B&O unit shown below. Thanks, Mark J. Reading, PA
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Post by loco8107 on Aug 13, 2022 15:55:12 GMT -8
Depending on your era, some Conrail GP40s migrated to both D&RGW and UP in the mid-80s. Atlas has offered the former Conrail GP40's quite a few years ago and again recently. Those are fine because from what I recall there were no nose signal lights so the generic GP40 body looks visually correct for the former Conrail GP40's Rio Grande bought second hand. I did buy a couple of the Atlas from the first run. Since 1984 is a bit past my sweet spot, I'm covered with those two I already have. But the GP40's with road specific details are really what I need the most. Both the small herald and the early large herald. And the late phase GP40's. Yeah, none of those have been covered for D&RGW in road specific details. But the small herald GP40's is a great place to start! I know they’ve done the GP40-2 recently for CR but not sure about the standard 40- the ones done years ago incorrectly had blue around and on the steps but was correctly done in black on the 38’s oddly. Still a good model. I like the Atlas motors but let’s see what these will be like.
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Post by riogrande on Aug 13, 2022 16:00:35 GMT -8
I know they’ve done the GP40-2 recently for CR but not sure about the standard 40- the ones done years ago incorrectly had blue around and on the steps but was correctly done in black on the 38’s oddly. Still a good model. I like the Atlas motors but let’s see what these will be like. The former Conrail GP40's that D&RGW purchased 2nd hand in 1984 were painted in a darker Rio Grande orange and have been offered in 2 road numbers and an unnumbered version around 14 years ago and then Athearn re-ran them again in two new road numbers a few years ago. They were former Conrail GP40's. Rio Grande never bought any 2nd hand GP40-2's.
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Post by keystonefarm on Aug 13, 2022 18:10:24 GMT -8
Does anyone know where Class One product will be produced and assembled ?
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Post by slowfreight on Aug 13, 2022 18:12:39 GMT -8
Depending on your era, some Conrail GP40s migrated to both D&RGW and UP in the mid-80s. And MKT, and C&NW.... Maybe others I'm forgetting. Fun fact...the CNW ones were the original production GP40s delivered to NYC by way of CR, and got rebuilt into something called a GP40-1.5 Since they fall outside my era, I narrowly dodged a bullet.
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Post by 690 on Aug 13, 2022 22:09:06 GMT -8
What is the reason for the large amount of cable bundling/routing above the front truck on the engineer side of some PC and Conrail GP40s? I haven’t seen this on GP40s from other roads like the B&O unit shown below. Thanks, Mark J. Reading, PA Possibly something to do with the cab signals? Speaking of the cab signals, hopefully they accurately replicate the grab iron on the side and top of the nose being on the opposite side with the Conrail and former Conrail units.
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Post by lvrr325 on Aug 13, 2022 23:33:49 GMT -8
Cables on the Conrail unit might be for the cab signal equipment.
BNSF 3024 doesn't show on rrpicturearchives but would fall between groups of ex-CB&Q units rebuilt as GP40M and GP40Es. Pretty good coverage there, the lack of pictures of a 3024 supports the idea it never existed.
I have one Atlas N&W GP40 in blue, I might get a black NW unit at some point. Possible I should have a PC or Chessie/B&O unit of some sort but not a big need. The Atlas should run nice with all my other Atlas engines, so I may as well stick to the known.
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Post by lyndenbranch on Aug 14, 2022 12:33:15 GMT -8
Saw the Class One promo on facebook announcing these with Steve Priest. Will include features "never before done on other models." Which they will hold off on disclosing until the model is ready for production. I wish them well. I didn't think I needed any Milwaukee Road GP40s, but. . . .
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Post by markfj on Aug 14, 2022 12:49:08 GMT -8
Thinking practically about what has never before been done on other models, the only thing I can think of are photo etched long hood doors or complete photo etched sides. Of course Arrowhead already has metal sides on their gondola, so I’m sure they are aware of that. Or, maybe it is a rendering of the Blomberg truck that accurately represents the complete truck, not just side frames. If they go that route, I wonder if it they are planning to have movable brake gear and live sprung journals. Not sure why that would be necessary, but I suppose it could be done.
Thanks, Mark J. Reading, PA
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Post by onequiknova on Aug 14, 2022 12:56:13 GMT -8
All metal, scale handrails would be cool.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 14, 2022 13:06:03 GMT -8
Continuing our exploration of the new offering, let's now have a look at the UP one they're doing: UP 1342.
UP 1342 DOES exist. Except that it's really a GP40-2, the former D&RGW 3116, built September 1974.
Ed
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Post by delta767332er on Aug 14, 2022 16:04:35 GMT -8
What is the reason for the large amount of cable bundling/routing above the front truck on the engineer side of some PC and Conrail GP40s? I haven’t seen this on GP40s from other roads like the B&O unit shown below. Thanks, Mark J. Reading, PA Those are traction motor cables for the No. 1 traction motor. Somewhere, sometime I read why they are routed like that (non-standard), but I don't recall where or why.
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Post by cemr5396 on Aug 15, 2022 0:00:28 GMT -8
Continuing our exploration of the new offering, let's now have a look at the UP one they're doing: UP 1342. UP 1342 DOES exist. Except that it's really a GP40-2, the former D&RGW 3116, built September 1974. Ed wow, they are really on a roll. They keep that up and they will be the belle of this forum in no time
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Post by csxt8400 on Aug 15, 2022 0:32:17 GMT -8
I admit it's odd that they chose that number, but it is also showing to be non-dyno as well. I don't have any worries that those two things will be a real life concern.
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Post by markfj on Aug 15, 2022 4:12:04 GMT -8
Thinking practically about what has never before been done on other models, the only thing I can think of are photo etched long hood doors or complete photo etched sides. Of course Arrowhead already has metal sides on their gondola, so I’m sure they are aware of that. And there is also this recently announced NW H9 hopper kit which appears to be all brass and nickel silver. Neat (and expensive) kit! HO Scale Norfolk & Western H-9 Hopper KitThanks, Mark
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