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Post by lyonwonder on Mar 16, 2023 14:58:50 GMT -8
The Surface Transportation Board has approved Canadian Pacific's merger with Kansas City Southern. I assume it's going to be a UP-style merger and not a ATSF-BN-type merger with CP retaining it's identity as Canadian Pacific and KCS becoming a Fallen Flag, something fans of KCS aren't happy about. One article I read says the merged KCS will be known as Canadian Pacific-Kansas City or CPKC. The CPKC will probably just be a name that will only exist on paper for former KCS trackage since, unlike the ATSF and BN merger into BNSF in the late 1990s, I have a hard time believing CP will do away with its corporate imagine as "Canadian Pacific" and replace it with something entirely different. I imagine CP might bring back the flags of Canada and the United States they briefly used in the mid-1990s while still retaining "Canadian Pacific" on the long hood, only this time it'll be "Triple Flags" with the addition of Mexico. |
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Post by canrailfan on Mar 17, 2023 9:12:34 GMT -8
My preference would be that both railroads retain their names and colours, and the merger be signified just with the letters 'CPKC' under the loco number.
This would certainly be a money-saving solution rather than get into re-painting 100s of locomotives.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Mar 18, 2023 0:09:20 GMT -8
Shamelessly stolen:
I have it on the best of authority that the new Canadian Pacific Kansas City herald will feature a beaver eating from a jar of barbecue sauce.
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Post by fr8kar on Mar 18, 2023 12:01:13 GMT -8
I hope that KCS locomotives will be equipped to CP standards, at least in the interior. KCS and KCSM aren't the worst locomotives out there, but they aren't far from it. CP does a much better job equipping and maintaining their fleet.
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Post by cemr5396 on Mar 18, 2023 13:17:32 GMT -8
I hope that KCS locomotives will be equipped to CP standards, at least in the interior. KCS and KCSM aren't the worst locomotives out there, but they aren't far from it. CP does a much better job equipping and maintaining their fleet. they will have to be, they are not qualified to lead on the Canadian side of the border due to our union agreements up here. Not that it doesn't happen anyway, even now. The company doesn't care. They'll pay out the grieviances (if anyone even bothers) for the improper lead unit and things will go on. But eventually they will want everything to be able to run up here without worrying about it. |
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Post by Baikal on Mar 18, 2023 14:10:35 GMT -8
I hope that KCS locomotives will be equipped to CP standards, at least in the interior. KCS and KCSM aren't the worst locomotives out there, but they aren't far from it. CP does a much better job equipping and maintaining their fleet. they will have to be, they are not qualified to lead on the Canadian side of the border due to our union agreements up here. Not that it doesn't happen anyway, even now. The company doesn't care. They'll pay out the grieviances (if anyone even bothers) for the improper lead unit and things will go on. But eventually they will want everything to be able to run up here without worrying about it.
Although RR consolidation (and downsizing) has been going on for over 100 years, I still get bummed at these mega-mergers. After BNSF ('95) and especially SP > UP ('96), my interest in prototype and models drops off fast.
I'm not a KCS fan but it's disapearance into one of the shrinking number of mega-roads is kind sad. Always an unusual road (N - S orientation, solid white diesels, Mexican affiliations) and it held out for a long time.
I wouldn't be surprised if someday there'll be just two huge North American railroads, plus a good number of shortlines & industrials. Sort of like the situation we have today with Costco & Sams Club, Home Depot & Lowe's, Android & Apple, etc. |
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Post by platec on Mar 19, 2023 16:58:01 GMT -8
The great homogenization. I wonder which railroad Utah Belt will merge with?
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Post by patch job on Mar 20, 2023 17:37:45 GMT -8
Not that it matters to anybody or anything but I don't like it. I've had enough mergers in my lifetime and that includes airlines and many other industries. I'm still mourning MRL which I only got to explore for a few days in my life. At least I got that much...
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Mar 21, 2023 16:15:08 GMT -8
Shamelessly stolen: I have it on the best of authority that the new Canadian Pacific Kansas City herald will feature a beaver eating from a jar of barbecue sauce. More like Golden Beaver BBQ Kansas City Style...Mexican Snake fillet as an app. |
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Post by lyonwonder on Apr 14, 2023 17:26:44 GMT -8
Canadian Pacific Kansas City CPKC |
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Post by hudsonyard on Apr 15, 2023 23:15:27 GMT -8
In my last few months living in Minnesota I gravitated towards the CP side of things in the twin cities, about 6-8 months ago I started to notice more and more KCS units showing up on road trains, even before the merger became official.
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Post by locochris on Apr 16, 2023 9:39:14 GMT -8
What a dumb name for a railroad, and it kills not one but two legacy class 1 railroads. I wish they would have at least done what UP did, or what canrailfan suggested. |
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Post by Baikal on Apr 16, 2023 12:09:46 GMT -8
What a dumb name for a railroad, and it kills not one but two legacy class 1 railroads. I wish they would have at least done what UP did, or what canrailfan suggested.
The merger has been in the news for weeks, but without looking I can't remember the name. CPKC? KFCEC?
Sounds like a name the HR departments would pick.
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Post by locochris on Apr 16, 2023 16:59:32 GMT -8
What a dumb name for a railroad, and it kills not one but two legacy class 1 railroads. I wish they would have at least done what UP did, or what canrailfan suggested.
The merger has been in the news for weeks, but without looking I can't remember the name. CPKC? KFCEC?
Sounds like a name the HR departments would pick.
CPKC. |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Apr 17, 2023 8:31:26 GMT -8
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