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Post by Baikal on Mar 4, 2024 8:02:01 GMT -8
Has anyone seen one of these shells? Or a photo (not a CAD rendering)?
Cut & paste from the HOswap on IO group:
"Through our partnership with 3Dp Train, Lambert Locomotive Works now has a body kit for an HO scale Lima LRS-1200 road switcher. Bodies are $60/ea plus shipping. These bodies are integral with the frame plate, and are meant to fit a Bachmann RS3 chassis, however other similar RS3s might also be suitable if they can fit within the confines of the shell. If interested, feel free to reach out to me or check these out at the 3Dp Store." 3dptrain.com/products/llw-035
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Post by edgecrusher on Mar 4, 2024 9:17:46 GMT -8
Looks a little simple in places, but for the money it might be a good starting point.
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Post by cera2254 on Mar 4, 2024 9:25:01 GMT -8
Can’t comment on the shell but choosing the Bachmann RS3 as the base for this just seems like an odd choice…
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Post by edgecrusher on Mar 4, 2024 10:09:31 GMT -8
I agree, especially since there are tons of old yellow box Atlas RS3's floating around for likely less than the Bachmann ones.
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Mar 4, 2024 11:35:23 GMT -8
Pilot face plates look way too thick, and the stanchion situation is weird too. Are they part of the print, or are they separate pieces?
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Post by alcocentury on Mar 4, 2024 12:04:45 GMT -8
Yes, if I bought one would prefer Atlas yellow box RS3 mechanism. Have plenty of those.
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Post by lhr on Mar 4, 2024 14:24:59 GMT -8
He has an H12-44TS shell on there. It looks decent, so it should look about the same.
Greg
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Post by edgecrusher on Mar 5, 2024 6:12:17 GMT -8
Have any of these been preserved anywhere? Just wondering if a sound file could even be made for one these.
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Post by cpr4200 on Mar 5, 2024 7:55:19 GMT -8
The Whitewater Valley RR in Ohio has two that run: an LS-750 and an LS-1000. The 750 has a six-cylinder turbocharged engine, the 1000 has an eight-cylinder turbo engine. The 1200's used the same engine with different fuel rack settings.
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Post by 12bridge on Mar 5, 2024 16:02:20 GMT -8
I am very hesitant to purchase a 3D print for something as large as that without them showing photos of what your actually getting.
Not trying to knock their products at all as I have not seen them, but there is way too much "What are you actually getting?" on that website. Hell, it does not even say if its resin (I would assume, but you never know) or FDM..
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Mar 6, 2024 5:32:48 GMT -8
He has an H12-44TS shell on there. It looks decent, so it should look about the same. Different designer. The Fairbanks Morse H12-44TS is by First Person Scale Models while the Lima LRS-1200 is by Lambert Locomotive Works. |
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Post by edgecrusher on Mar 6, 2024 6:35:03 GMT -8
I am very hesitant to purchase a 3D print for something as large as that without them showing photos of what your actually getting. Not trying to knock their products at all as I have not seen them, but there is way too much "What are you actually getting?" on that website. Hell, it does not even say if its resin (I would assume, but you never know) or FDM.. Totally agree, that's far too many unknowns for me. I really wish some of these places would just sell the files, I can see a lot I'd fix on that thing. |
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Post by Donnell Wells on Mar 6, 2024 6:43:15 GMT -8
I am very hesitant to purchase a 3D print for something as large as that without them showing photos of what your actually getting. Not trying to knock their products at all as I have not seen them, but there is way too much "What are you actually getting?" on that website. Hell, it does not even say if its resin (I would assume, but you never know) or FDM.. Totally agree, that's far too many unknowns for me. I really wish some of these places would just sell the files, I can see a lot I'd fix on that thing. Hello Ed, As someone who designs these types of 3D files, I often hear and receive requests for files. I would like to know what you think is a reasonable price for both you and the designer to buy/sell a design such as the one in discussion. Donnell |
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Post by cpr4200 on Mar 6, 2024 7:12:31 GMT -8
IMO, it's better for the designer to retain his files and maintain control over them. David Bedard, for example, tried to make his files available on the honor system and apparently some folks took advantage of him. Thankfully he's making his prints available direct. Maybe the 3D Central approach is best for designers who don't have the time or equipment to offer prints themselves. That said, photos of the actual prints, in addition to comprehensive renderings, would go a long way toward allowing buyers to make an informed purchasing decision. ~ Walt
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Post by Baikal on Mar 6, 2024 8:45:04 GMT -8
He has an H12-44TS shell on there. It looks decent, so it should look about the same. Different designer. The Fairbanks Morse H12-44TS is by First Person Scale Models while the Lima LRS-1200 is by Lambert Locomotive Works. Trust no renderings.
Some of the photos of the offerings there look rough- thick pilots & side panels, oversized rivets. Especially First Person Scale Models. It's hard to tell when the 3D print is white against a light background. Maybe OK, maybe not. The UP M-10002 A & B unit is interesting. But the many rivets are rendered very large. Before I buy I want to see the model in-person or at least quality photos of primer-painted physical models.
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Post by edgecrusher on Mar 6, 2024 9:19:26 GMT -8
Totally agree, that's far too many unknowns for me. I really wish some of these places would just sell the files, I can see a lot I'd fix on that thing. Hello Ed, As someone who designs these types of 3D files, I often hear and receive requests for files. I would like to know what you think is a reasonable price for both you and the designer to buy/sell a design such as the one in discussion. Donnell Donnell,
I totally understand this conundrum. As a manufacturing engineer myself, I sometimes have to spend hundreds of hours sat behind a screen with Solidworks, Composer & even AutoCAD. With understanding, personally I'd have no problem giving the Lambert guy $60 for his design. I further wouldn't argue with having to E-sign some sort of agreement to not sell or further distribute the sellers files. Unfortunately, I can also imagine people having a problem with such a price because you aren't getting a physical object for your money. So I guess I don't really have a good answer for you.
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Post by Donnell Wells on Mar 6, 2024 15:27:03 GMT -8
Hello Ed, As someone who designs these types of 3D files, I often hear and receive requests for files. I would like to know what you think is a reasonable price for both you and the designer to buy/sell a design such as the one in discussion. Donnell Donnell, I totally understand this conundrum. As a manufacturing engineer myself, I sometimes have to spend hundreds of hours sat behind a screen with Solidworks, Composer & even AutoCAD. With understanding, personally I'd have no problem giving the Lambert guy $60 for his design. I further wouldn't argue with having to E-sign some sort of agreement to not sell or further distribute the sellers files. Unfortunately, I can also imagine people having a problem with such a price because you aren't getting a physical object for your money. So I guess I don't really have a good answer for you.
Evan, I really appreciate your response. You are one of few that have reasonably considered this "conundrum" (as you put it), placing yourself in the shoes of the designer, and understanding all of what goes into developing a solid modeling file. And, like you, there probably isn't a good answer. It lies somewhere between what the designer feels they should earn, and what the buyer is willing to pay. As a designer, I have to decide what my time is worth, and then commit to it, even if there are some time and cost overruns. I have thought a lot about this issue, and the one thing I keep coming back to is to just charge a flat fee for the entire project. I have several designs currently under development, some which are finished, and others just beginning. However, I don't get paid for any of them until I have an actual product, be it virtual or in-hand, to sell. Obviously, selling digital files is not new, neither is protecting intellectual property, thus I do like the idea of some kind of agreement not to sell the digital file, or even a license to sell printed copies of the digital file, but again not the file itself. This also depends on type of use, i.e. personal or commercial. If a person decides to purchase a file and then print and give copies away, that's his right. This, however, would have to be agreed upon at the point of sale. There is much to consider. Thank you for such thoughtful insight. Sincerely, Donnell |
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Post by 12bridge on Mar 6, 2024 15:56:50 GMT -8
Weighing in as a manufacturer/designer..
Until there is a way to license an STL file, and keep track of it through he printer or software so only X copies can be made, I personally would never, ever let a design out into the wild. I have personally seen far too many items licensed for personal use, being sold commercially. I have seen it at every single train show I have been to in the last 3 years, even recognizing certain files, that I know for a fact are personal use only sort of things. Even most of the items on places like thingverse are offered as a non commercial file, yet get printed and sold daily.
This has been a touchy subject on a lot of the 3D printing for trains groups, as some people just outright think every STL should be open to anyone.
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