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Post by upinct on Mar 22, 2013 16:45:57 GMT -8
Here is my first attempt at modeling a scrap metal load for a Gondola. I am switching to modeling present day Pan Am so I am striving for a higher level of detail. Thanks to Pele Soeborg for the inspiration. Comments, thoughts, and show me some details on your layout. Derek    |
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Post by nebrzephyr on Mar 23, 2013 5:46:49 GMT -8
Nice looking gondolas, definitely has that "modern day" look. Like the metal shavings for the scrap loads. The scrap looks similar to the material I got from a member on the old Atlas forum. I did put the "rust" to mine though. Bob Attachments:
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Post by marknycfan on Mar 23, 2013 12:39:42 GMT -8
Did you get to sweep up the machine shop floor yourself ?!?!?
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Post by drolsen on Mar 23, 2013 16:24:50 GMT -8
There was a neat article years ago in Model Railroader where the author described how he spray painted rusty patches of different shades on aluminum foil and then put it in a blender. Created a very realistic looking load to represent shredded scrap metal. I've always wanted to try that, but need to find a cheap blender that van be sacrificed for modeling chores.
Dave
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Post by slowfreight on Mar 23, 2013 18:03:28 GMT -8
The texture and scale on your scrap are great. Here's what you might try adding:
Carbon steel scrap loads are almost always going to have an orange hue (or darker), because they start to rust almost immediately after shredding. It's really unusual to see a full gondola of stainless scrap, so you might want to airbrush or wash it with a dilute orange paint. Maybe use a water base paint so you can wash it off if you don't like the results.
Best suggestion is always check prototype photos. I modeled a scrap yard where almost everything was a burnt umber sort of color after shredding, so my scrap loads are uniformly hideous. Other yards that I see regularly don't shred, so it's multi-color mixed textures dropped into barges with a claw, but you'll never recognize obvious shapes.
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Post by upinct on Mar 24, 2013 7:00:11 GMT -8
Thanks guys for the thoughts.
I think Pelle intended for the load to be stainless steel as the load is a stainless steel pot scrubber cut into pieces. His last step is to spray the load with gloss coat. This would not be out of the realm of possibility on Pan Am because this area is a hot bed of Aerospace manufacturing based around a little company named Pratt & Whitney. I know there is a scrap metal dealer that specializes in scrap from only high tech manufacturing. So I really hadn't thought about doing anything to the load. I may have to revisit that and find out more about gondola loads on Pan Am.
Derek
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Post by sd80macs on Mar 24, 2013 8:26:29 GMT -8
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Post by upinct on Mar 24, 2013 12:53:49 GMT -8
Thanks Mark for the tip and pics.
Derek
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Post by slowfreight on Mar 25, 2013 10:09:11 GMT -8
Thanks for the pics, SD80macs. Photos never lie. The challenge with metal shavings is that they are usually really large compared to what we need in miniature. I played around with the shredded glitter product, and eventually settled on mixing it with pencil shavings from a barrel-type pencil sharpener. I apologize for the painting quality, as I was never thrilled with it (and I never got back to adding more spillage on the ground), but the pile of shredded scrap came out better than the individual removable loads I made.  I really like that PC etching solution idea, if I could find something shredded finely enough. Wonder if I can somehow blenderize steel wool... |
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Post by sd80macs on Mar 25, 2013 10:26:50 GMT -8
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Post by riogrande on Mar 25, 2013 10:29:43 GMT -8
upinct, I didn't see if you identified what you used for your loads? What is it made of?
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Post by scl1234 on Mar 25, 2013 10:30:04 GMT -8
I use machine shop or other carbon steel turnings combined with muriatic (HCl) acid from the pool supply store to make the etching solution. It takes a week of waiting to allow the elemental iron to be completely converted to the ferric (+3) form that has the rust look.
By the way, ferric chloride solution (FeCl3) is mildly corrosive since it still contains a small amount of HCl; and it will permanently stain any fabric it is spilled on.
A quart-sized polypropylene milk jug with a small hole in the cap works fine for the pickled steel "recipe".
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Post by upinct on Mar 25, 2013 16:50:38 GMT -8
upinct, I didn't see if you identified what you used for your loads? What is it made of? The load is made up of a 3m stainless steel pot scrubber that you can by at any supermarket or you favorite mass retailer that sells kitchen cleaning supplies. It comes in a tight ball so I cut it up to fit in the Gondolas. |
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Post by upwpfan on Mar 26, 2013 7:44:14 GMT -8
Folks;
Excellent set of posts. Very helpfull information. I appreciate it.
Jere Ingram
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Post by riogrande on Mar 26, 2013 9:45:09 GMT -8
upinct, I didn't see if you identified what you used for your loads? What is it made of? The load is made up of a 3m stainless steel pot scrubber that you can by at any supermarket or you favorite mass retailer that sells kitchen cleaning supplies. It comes in a tight ball so I cut it up to fit in the Gondolas. Thanks, great idea, since i don't have a machine shop to make my own metal shavings! How did you cut it up? Will it ruin scissors to do that and did you use something else to cut it up? |
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Post by upinct on Mar 26, 2013 17:50:11 GMT -8
The load is made up of a 3m stainless steel pot scrubber that you can by at any supermarket or you favorite mass retailer that sells kitchen cleaning supplies. It comes in a tight ball so I cut it up to fit in the Gondolas. Thanks, great idea, since i don't have a machine shop to make my own metal shavings! How did you cut it up? Will it ruin scissors to do that and did you use something else to cut it up? I used a good pair of sharp Fiskar scissors and had no problem cutting nor did the steel dull them. Just be careful with the ends and the small pieces as they can be quite sharp. Derek |
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