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Post by atsfan on Jul 3, 2014 18:19:17 GMT -8
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Post by catt on Jul 3, 2014 19:56:28 GMT -8
Looks good to me.
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Post by drolsen on Jul 3, 2014 20:12:46 GMT -8
I agree - it looks quite good, with finer detail than the ACF 4600. Should be a great, affordable model, especially for young modelers who want a common prototype like this in their fleet.
Dave
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Post by carrman on Jul 3, 2014 22:39:15 GMT -8
Might be a good way to build a grain train on the cheap. Well, cheap compared to $50 cars that is....;-)
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Post by catt on Jul 4, 2014 3:57:28 GMT -8
Yeah $200.00 would build a believable start on a grain train with these cars,as opposed to those $50.00 cars.I'm not knocking the more expencive cars I'm just thinking about MY bottom line.  |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 4, 2014 6:25:06 GMT -8
I wonder if a chisel is required to remove the roofwalk like it is on the CF4600? I imagine some would still want the opportunity to replace the roof walk with an etched metal part.
The car looks very decent. What I wish is that Accurail did the CF4740 so there would be a modest cost alternative to the Athearn blue box CF4740 and the much higher priced Tangent model! We already have the fairly modestly priced Intermountain CF4750 and the higher end Tangent version, so this particular choice has puzzled me.
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Post by wp8thsub on Jul 4, 2014 7:00:04 GMT -8
I wonder if a chisel is required to remove the roofwalk like it is on the CF4600? I imagine some would still want the opportunity to replace the roof walk with an etched metal part. Accurail initially said the running boards would be separate parts to make it easier to substitute etched replacements, but the final tooling has them cast on like the ACF cars. I think I read somewhere the original idea was discarded because it threatened the sub-$20 target price. From what I can tell of the pre-production shots, only the raised section of the running boards atop the clerestory are separate. Such a decision is logical considering the separate etched running board would render the Accurail car not cost-effective vs using something else as a starting point. Take Accurail's suggested retail of $18.98, add a Plano running board for $9, plus metal wheelsets and Kadee couplers to replace the crappy stock components, not to mention the cost of paint and decals, and I don't see much of a point except to prove you can do it. Accurail probably made the right call for its target customer and opted to make the car cheaper to produce. The 4750 makes sense in that there were only about 10,000 4740s built, but about 56,000 4750s (per Tangent's proto info on their site). Accurail will of course do its usual Earl Scheib routine and "paint any car any color" knowing many consumers don't care about accurate schemes. I wish Accurail had chosen an arched roof version of the 4750 so they had something different from IM or Tangent. |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 4, 2014 7:24:37 GMT -8
Ah oh well on the roof walks. Dunno if I will get any of the Accurail as I am pretty satisfied with my mid-range Intermountain CF4750s.
Oh my, I remember Earl Scheib, hah hah, what a blast from the past! Anyway, what is ... is.
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Post by jbilbrey on Jul 4, 2014 8:52:20 GMT -8
The Accurail model represents a slightly different prototype than the InterMountain P-S 4750. For starters, it has the body-mounted brake system vs. the truck-mounted brakes as on the Intermountain car. I already have 3 or 4 Intermountain 4750 hoppers, and the Accurail hoppers will add a bit more variety to my string of hoppers.
As wp8thsub stated, it will be up to the modelers to find out which schemes are correct. This is going be complicated between the fact that over 55,000 were produced as well as Trinity, Portec, RTC, and N&W all making "clones" of the 4750 hoppers. Athearn and Intermountain also blurred the lines when it came to releasing incorrect paint schemes for their 4740 and 4750 hoppers.
James Bilbrey
LaVergne, TN
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Jul 4, 2014 9:19:31 GMT -8
Impressive for Accurail or any model railroad manufacturer. Impressive
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Post by catt on Jul 4, 2014 10:34:20 GMT -8
One of the reasons I freelance is so I can have it MY way. My prototype stuff though has to be fairly accurate scheme wise but the car or loco definitely has to be right.I can see a lot of these cars in GVR lettering.  |
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Post by nebrzephyr on Jul 4, 2014 12:05:04 GMT -8
Is that a new Accurail truck?? The sideframes looks different (better) than the existing Accurail trucks.
Bob
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Post by jbilbrey on Jul 4, 2014 13:20:21 GMT -8
I think it is the old 70-ton roller-bearing truck that Accurail has been using. But, I hope to be proven wrong.
James Bilbrey
LaVergne, TN
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Post by Spikre on Jul 4, 2014 13:20:28 GMT -8
Bob, [ that sure isn't the old 70 ton Barber truck. not sure what it is - Barber or ASF,but it sure looks like a 100 Ton Truck.] EDIT: directly comparing an Accu-Rail sideframe to the bad angle pic in the 1st post makes it clear the pic isn't good enuff to tell what the truck actually is. but am now thinking it is the old Accu-Rail 70 ton Barber S-2. until better pics are posted will hold up on any more comments. Spikre 
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Post by fr8kar on Jul 4, 2014 14:29:36 GMT -8
I'm glad they molded the roofwalk on. There is a market for well-executed inexpensive plastic models and Accurail has always excelled at catering to this market. Their products are easy to upgrade with etched roofwalks - even the ACF 4600 cf hopper* - and based on these photos it looks like this model will also be easy to upgrade.
* A little filing is necessary to remove the roofwalk at the ends. The portions of the roofwalk on the long axis of the ACF 4600 cf hopper come off with flush cutting nippers and minor clean up with a sharp blade.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 17:22:41 GMT -8
Not too shabby.
The roof walk looks like it should be easy to replace in the future for those so inclined.
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Post by wp8thsub on Jul 4, 2014 19:21:27 GMT -8
The trucks on the pre-production model look to me like the same roller bearing trucks Accurail uses for everything.  Here's the standard issue Accurail truck from their site.  Accurail's truck has always struck me as a poorly rendered attempt at an ASF Ride Control 100-ton truck like the above from ExactRail...  Or this one from Kadee. Enlarging the view emphasizes how truly awful Accurail's truck tooling looks compared to better executed products. |
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Post by nebrzephyr on Jul 5, 2014 5:28:24 GMT -8
Admittedly the Exactrail truck is very nice. But at this time it is almost impossible to find for sale. Bob
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Post by drolsen on Jul 5, 2014 7:22:08 GMT -8
Jim - ExactRail's 70-ton versions shows as in stock, but their 100-ton version is listed as sold out: www.exactrail.com/model-trains?cat=25&product_category=480&scale=152Not sure how their inventory works, but it seems like some items (e.g. undec PS 5344 box car kits) are sold out but then restocked later under a different listing on the website, but with the same item number. Dave |
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Post by drolsen on Jul 5, 2014 8:03:31 GMT -8
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Post by riogrande on Jul 5, 2014 8:46:57 GMT -8
I've got too many distractions this morning so I haven't properly read through it regarding the trucks. I'll delete my comments and come back in when I have a chance to properly review.
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Post by neilgross on Jul 6, 2014 7:19:21 GMT -8
I have heard that one of the drawbacks of the Intermountain PS 4750 was that the outlet gates were unique to cars used by Soo Line. Are the outlet gates on the Accurail PS 4750 more of a "standard" design?
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Post by Lt. Dan on Jul 13, 2014 13:17:06 GMT -8
I'm looking forward to being able to add several of these to my grain fleet.
Decent, fleet-quality cars at a budget price.
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Post by santafe49 on Jul 13, 2014 14:26:29 GMT -8
They are trying to maintain the sub $20 price so they cannot put $10 trucks on their model and stay below the price point. They look just fine to me.
If fine detail is required, Tangent, Exactrail, TrueLine or Athearn Genesis will fill the bill, but at a much higher price.
Me, i'll stick to my $14 Accurail's.
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Post by drolsen on Jul 13, 2014 14:53:48 GMT -8
I have heard that one of the drawbacks of the Intermountain PS 4750 was that the outlet gates were unique to cars used by Soo Line. Are the outlet gates on the Accurail PS 4750 more of a "standard" design? I'm not sure, but the outlet gates shown on the Accurail model in the photos from the original post appear to be the same style that Intermountain uses. However, I'm sure they are separate parts, so if you'd like to model other variations, you can always order Tangent's outlet gate parts: www.tangentscalemodels.com/product/part-sprue-ps-2cd-4750-outlet-gates/Tangent offers Miner “Selflock,” Keystone “Portloc 2,” and Youngstown “Fabco E-Z Roll with Shurlock” outlet gates, and the detail parts set should have three of each style, just like the undecorated kits. Theoretically, that would allow you to modify three different Accurail PS 4750s for $7, but obviously if you'd modeling multiples of one roadname, you might not be able to use all the styles (but maybe some modeling friends could). Dave |
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Post by Spikre on Jul 23, 2014 13:30:42 GMT -8
?? were any of these cars for sale at Cleveland ? was Accu-Rail there ?? Spikre  |
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Post by atsfan on Jul 23, 2014 17:01:57 GMT -8
?? were any of these cars for sale at Cleveland ? was Accu-Rail there ?? Spikre I looked for them but did not see them there. |
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