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Post by catt on Jul 9, 2014 11:44:43 GMT -8
Hi guys,
Finally got my lazybutt in gear and started to do a roster page of my HO stuff.I am trying to keep it as accurate as possible but right now I'm trying to figure out just exactly what my Roundhouse covered hoppers are models of.I'm fairly certain they are not PS-2s but that's about it.Can anyone give me a clue? Would also lokeb to know the capacity if it is known.
Oh and does anyone know the capacity of the Athearn 4 bay Center-Flo? As usual all help is appreciated.
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Post by drolsen on Jul 9, 2014 12:36:51 GMT -8
Is it a 3-bay, exterior post covered hopper like this one? www.athearn.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=ATH92742That's the FMC 4700 that Athearn acquired from MDC and later upgraded. The Athearn 4-bay covered hopper is an ACF 5250 (something we desperately needs a new model of). Dave |
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Post by catt on Jul 9, 2014 14:20:58 GMT -8
That's the animal Dave,thank you.The Bachmann and TYCO Center-Flo's are bigger than the Athearn are they models of real cars or just somebody's imagination working overtime?
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Post by Spikre on Jul 9, 2014 15:44:27 GMT -8
 Catt, the ex-MDC 2 Bay Covered Hopper is a Foooobie that isn't really close to a PS-2. put one next to an Atlas or Kadee PS-2 to see where the model differs. have read somewhere that the MDC was supposed to be released about 1954 as a Metal Kit.but outside of Test Shot Train Show Giv-A-Ways,it was never released. maybe that isn't the whole story,but it sounds believable. the car was changed to Plastic about 1961,and was available in several road names at first,more later. the car actually looks better with Square Hatches,so consider modifying a few that way. they do look good in trains of E&B/ECW,Kato,Atlas 2 bay cars. they aren't totally hopeless,but they aren't PS-2s,more like the earlier 1958 sized cars. Spikre 
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Post by catt on Jul 11, 2014 15:29:13 GMT -8
Anybody have any info about this beast,such as who made(s) this car? What is it's capacity?.All I can tell you is it is a ACF Center-Flo,it is white and it is 62' long,and it is a 4 bay.  |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 11, 2014 16:00:17 GMT -8
Anybody have any info about this beast,such as who made(s) this car? What is it's capacity?.All I can tell you is it is a ACF Center-Flo,it is white and it is 62' long,and it is a 4 bay. Sure looks like a 5250 cu ft car. Athearn made one. So did AHM. The former has a low-mount brake wheel. The latter has a high mount. Ed |
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Post by Judge Doom on Jul 11, 2014 16:09:47 GMT -8
Anybody have any info about this beast,such as who made(s) this car? What is it's capacity?.All I can tell you is it is a ACF Center-Flo,it is white and it is 62' long,and it is a 4 bay. Looks a lot like a McKean models kit. They did an ACF 5800 cuft "granule" covered hopper that was kinda rough, to be nice. The paint on my Chemplex car, bought at a train show for $2 on a whim long ago, started to flake off in chunks. Telltales: roof should be a separate piece, it shouldn't be hollow between the bays like a real car is, and the end cages should be separate too IIRC... |
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Post by catt on Jul 11, 2014 16:38:57 GMT -8
That is a pretty accurate description so Mckean it is.I knew it wasn't an Athearn it is way to long. Thanks for the help guys.
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Post by riogrande on Jul 11, 2014 17:34:42 GMT -8
McKean is what I thought too, plastic pellet car.
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Post by catt on Jul 11, 2014 19:00:25 GMT -8
Sounds like the purrfect excuse for another industry on my someday switching layout.A white car should look good with my new graphics.  |
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Post by catt on Jul 20, 2014 8:48:07 GMT -8
Got another hopper question for you.Just wundering how correct this two bay Center-Flow is.I think this is a McKean kit (assembled with Walthers GOO )Anyway the car is as you can see in the pic gray and has C&O reporting marks.Is the colour correct I've only seen tan ones.Should the marks be CSX or CSXT if the colour is right.If the colour is wrong it will become another GVR hopper.  |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 20, 2014 9:22:10 GMT -8
It looks like an ACF CF 2980 2-bay cement hopper. Here is a photo from fallen flags:  D&RGW had them too built in 1977:   I have the McKean model painted for D&RGW, however the paint job the did for D&RGW appears to have actually been used on the 1968 ACF CF2970 2-bay hoppers. Later on I bought 6 numbers of the Intermountain version which matches the lettering of the prototype for the 1977 CF2980 ACF hoppers. I still have the McKean model, which is pretty decent but again; McKean used a smaller stacked Rio Grande logo which was incorrect for McKean and IMR models. Cheers, Jim |
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Post by catt on Jul 20, 2014 9:38:41 GMT -8
Comparing the two cars you posted makes me think the car is another McKean foobie.I think it will end up a GVR sand car,but for right now I will leave it alone.
Thanks for the pics Jim.
J
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Post by riogrande on Jul 20, 2014 9:52:52 GMT -8
To be fair, it was the only CSX photo I was able to find at fallen flags, but other than the size of the CSX logo, it looks pretty close. Yes, some of the other lettering vary's a bit but it may have been re-stencilled and that picture could be from a different time period. It does look basically like the same car. The roof braces look right too in terms of spacing. The second photo of the D&RGW shows the car from the other side so the spacing matches the model when viewed that way. There are some other sites with freight car photo's but I'm dont' know how to search them quickly, maybe someone else will chime in.
Cheers, Jim
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Post by Spikre on Jul 20, 2014 11:47:56 GMT -8
 Catt, the C&O cars are CF2700 cars,they use the same frame as the CF2971, and the CF2980s. think there is a slight length difference with the earlier CF2970s. ? have some 1976 pics of new Chessie Yellow and Blue CF2700s at Croxton Yard.the bodies not going to the end of the cars made pics mandatory. look at the Atlas CF3560 3 bay,the bodies don't go to the ends on them. maybe a CF3560 can be bashed into a CF2700 ? Edit - thanks Bill,for the CF2971 reference,kepy thinking wrong on that model. Spikre 
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Post by buffalobill on Jul 20, 2014 11:55:33 GMT -8
Jim: Actually the CSXT car pictured is an ACF-2700, a variant of the ACF two bay design usually used for roofing granules and certain denser silica products. The Chessie roads were the largest users of the ACF 2700 CF design, but DTSL and a few others had them. Note that the car body ends at the inner ladder uprights, and does not go to the end of the car like it does on the Rio Grande car. The angle of the slope sheets are slightly different between designs. Just one of those many tricky little identification issues with ACF Huntington, WV products. I am not sure if CSXT has the newer variant of the ACF 2971 or 2980 cars, but they do have some of the earlier 2970 CF two bays inherited from the L&N, ex Monon. I am sure Dave Olsen or Curt, CSXT guys, can give you more background information on these cars.
Bill
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Post by riogrande on Jul 20, 2014 13:29:56 GMT -8
Bill, I just did a quick search on FF for the CSX car. The road numbers used on models is only a starting point and may or may not reflect the proper class used on the prototype so I'll plead ignorance as to the accuracy of the info. Visually it's pretty close. The data on the prototype can be made out. I do know from Jim Eager's book that the D&RGW version is identified as I listed.
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Post by buffalobill on Jul 20, 2014 14:46:28 GMT -8
Jim: Most of the time the later ACF two bay car is as you mentioned, but CSXT because of the Foundry Sand business elected the smaller option. The ACF 2980 would have grossed out way before it cubed out with this product or roofing granules, so the reduction in carbody capacity.
CSXT is tricky, B&O had some ACF-4650's with some modifications to the slope sheets, which actually ended up being 4700 cf cars. But with most railroads what you see is what you get.
Bill
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Post by Spikre on Jul 23, 2014 13:07:46 GMT -8
 C&O/B&O also had some CF4701Ms also. guess they just had to be different !! Spikre 
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Post by catt on Jul 24, 2014 17:59:41 GMT -8
Nuther hopper question,this time I'm looking for the manufacturer of the prototype car.  |
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Post by catt on Jul 24, 2014 19:26:19 GMT -8
Can anybody tell me the name of the company that did the prototype version of this car?  |
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Post by fr8kar on Jul 24, 2014 20:49:28 GMT -8
Those are Hawker Siddeley cars. North American Railcar makes them in HO scale.
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Post by Judge Doom on Jul 24, 2014 23:55:47 GMT -8
Those are Hawker Siddeley cars. North American Railcar makes them in HO scale. Actually, no they're not. The ALNX cars are all built by National Steel Car. Intermountain's 4550cuft cylindrical matches the NSC car (they have done many releases of the Alberta cars). There are however a group of ALPX cars built by Hawker Siddeley, of which the NARC/PWRS car is more accurate for (but they have never offered Alberta-painted cars). Breakdown here: www.nakina.net/private/alnx.html |
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Post by Spikre on Jul 25, 2014 9:03:12 GMT -8
the model is by Bachman. it is supposed to be the NSC "EXPORT" 4650 CUFT car. ATSF had some as did CAGY [Colombus and Greenville ?] the model is about 10% too low,and seems a bit short also,but is a Stand In until a better version is made. this version came out about 1983,and is overdo to be replaced. they were about $3.98 list originally,$1.99 at Toys-R-Us, or better Hobby Stores. Spikre 
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Post by catt on Jul 25, 2014 14:36:15 GMT -8
Spikre, I spent 3 hours looking for pictures of the prototype that I knew I had seen online (funny how those things hide when you need them).Yes it is a Bachmann all HO scale 54'3" of it.Not exactly my first choice but considering I paid $2.00 for the one that I have (not the pictured one)I am happy with it.I tried to post a pic of the one I am working on but for some reason my website server has crashed for 3 weekends in a row now.  |
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