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Post by jlwii2000 on Jul 19, 2014 6:35:14 GMT -8
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Post by wisconsincentral on Jul 19, 2014 12:18:32 GMT -8
That is awesome. Please do not trash this model with your negative comments. I believe this is a step towards the SD40-2 in Genesis.
WC Fan
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Post by antlorch on Jul 19, 2014 12:24:18 GMT -8
This is going to be a great model and your right WC Fan, this is just one step closer to a Genesis SD40-2. Awesome!
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Post by thebessemerkid on Jul 19, 2014 12:43:43 GMT -8
The Genesis motor upgrade will fit. Hmmm
Tooling modular, sd38 and sd39?
Is the sill/frame seperate? Does that open up a window for Cannon-quality sills?
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Post by bigblow69 on Jul 19, 2014 13:11:49 GMT -8
Algoma Central please
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Post by carrman on Jul 19, 2014 15:03:31 GMT -8
That is awesome. Please do not trash this model with your negative comments. I believe this is a step towards the SD40-2 in Genesis. WC Fan Yes yes, everyone bow down and be grateful just because a manufacturer made something for us. Blindly praise and accept it as it is, and don't speak of any mistakes it might have. That being said, it looks nice, I just wish it had walkway tread. I await the SP versions. Dave |
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Post by atsfan on Jul 19, 2014 19:16:51 GMT -8
That is awesome. Please do not trash this model with your negative comments. I believe this is a step towards the SD40-2 in Genesis. WC Fan Nobody is trashing it. |
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Post by Brakie on Jul 20, 2014 1:15:00 GMT -8
That is awesome. Please do not trash this model with your negative comments. I believe this is a step towards the SD40-2 in Genesis. WC Fan Nobody is trashing it. Yet..Wait till a good photo is release. |
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Post by Christian on Jul 20, 2014 3:27:10 GMT -8
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Post by Brakie on Jul 20, 2014 3:38:59 GMT -8
Funny..Maybe we should apply that to the hobby? But,then.. After my near fatal heart attack in '05 I found the vanities of life never looked the same and means very little-maybe down right foolish in the overall scheme of life.. |
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Post by jaygee on Jul 20, 2014 4:00:57 GMT -8
Will be lined up for two PRR when they eventually do it. Gonna get me some Uncle Pete off this run !
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Post by riogrande on Jul 20, 2014 5:25:28 GMT -8
Waiting for the SP version!
Cheers, Jim
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Post by BEDT26 on Jul 20, 2014 7:52:49 GMT -8
Hey hey where are my Penn Central and Conrail SD40?  |
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Post by curtmc on Jul 20, 2014 22:16:54 GMT -8
1) I saw the new Ready-To-Roll SD40s in person and was impressed by the individual details - BNSF being GMD model with several different features from intake shields to split air tanks... DWP with unique rear light and other details... WM Chessie which even has the extra detail/lube boxes in front of the engineer... to the N&W with its high brakes trucks, high nose. ...
2) The new SD40 is still a Ready-To-Roll line unit, NOT a Genesis...
3) The N&W will actually be in 2 different schemes - 2 #s in block NW + 2 #s in NORFOLK AND WESTERN (spelled out "Claytor" scheme)
4) I would NOT see this as another step toward a Genesis SD40-2... Athearn sees the SD40-2 market (like the GEVO market) as getting VERY crowded so I would not expect them to dump a lot more $$$ into new versions of those, instead being content with the sales (and sell outs) of the current versions
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Post by espeestacktrain on Jul 21, 2014 2:59:54 GMT -8
All I can say is, I will just be happy to see (maybe) an SD40R that I won't have to build myself! LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 4:26:08 GMT -8
1) I saw the new Ready-To-Roll SD40s in person and was impressed by the individual details - BNSF being GMD model with several different features from intake shields to split air tanks... DWP with unique rear light and other details... WM Chessie which even has the extra detail/lube boxes in front of the engineer... to the N&W with its high brakes trucks, high nose. ... Yes, but did Athearn tool a NEW triple clasp side frame (type II flexicoil) for the N&W units or did they simply install the incorrect SD9 style (type I flexicoil) for a stand in as they did on their EJ&E SD38? My guess is that they are using the SD9 (type I flexicoil) side frame. The main difference is in the bolster detail and the area under the side frame between the journals. Not the brake hangers, but the detail directly under the frame beam. It would be nice if Athearn did tool a new side frame and be proven wrong. Overall though the model looks fantastic. I'll be in for two to three of them. My favorite thing about Athearn is except for the hand rails, all the important stuff is made from styrene including the truck side frames. Makes for easy kit bashing and detailing. Brian |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 21, 2014 4:29:07 GMT -8
All I can say is, I will just be happy to see (maybe) an SD40R that I won't have to build myself! LOL An SP SD40R is actually a bigger want for me than the earlier un-rebuilt version, but I do plan on getting both. I expect Athearn had the newly tooled body configured so it would include the major SP versions - what with modular nose parts etc. Hopefully the new SD40''s will run as smooth as some of my SD45's I've tested so far. I'm pretty ham handed anymore so building them myself probably wouldn't be so hot;p RTR is best for me. Cheers, Jim |
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Post by espeestacktrain on Jul 21, 2014 4:41:19 GMT -8
All I can say is, I will just be happy to see (maybe) an SD40R that I won't have to build myself! LOL An SP SD40R is actually a bigger want for me than the earlier un-rebuilt version, but I do plan on getting both. I expect Athearn had the newly tooled body configured so it would include the major SP versions - what with modular nose parts etc. Hopefully the new SD40''s will run as smooth as some of my SD45's I've tested so far. I'm pretty ham handed anymore so building them myself probably wouldn't be so hot;p RTR is best for me. Cheers, Jim Oh come on now, Jim. If I remember correctly, you've shown off some of your work over on the SP board. Don't sell yourself short! LOL Me? I just have too many irons in the fire, and not enough hours in the day. HA! |
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Post by markfj on Jul 21, 2014 4:44:18 GMT -8
Hey hey where are my Penn Central and Conrail SD40? +1 And PRR too! From what others have posted regarding the overall quality of this model, it sounds like another item to add to the shopping list. The comments about a crowded market place for the SD40-2 are probably right on the money. It’s just frustrating waiting for a Genesis quality SD40-2 but not getting one.  Mark |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 21, 2014 5:15:58 GMT -8
Oh come on now, Jim. If I remember correctly, you've shown off some of your work over on the SP board. Don't sell yourself short! LOL Me? I just have too many irons in the fire, and not enough hours in the day. HA! No, unfortunately that wasn't me! I have to be careful just to not break parts off of new models! Anyway, between working long hours and a two hours of commuting daily, most of my hobby time is going into construction of a layout. I'm working on the raised subroadbed, risers and trying to calculate an even 3% grade to get up to the second level right now ... I'm pretty rusty and have had to redo some of it now a few times - 3 steps forward 4 steps back! True. The SD40-2 is and iconic diesel of the 70's, 80's and 90's, and beyond. It's too bad we keep getting "decent" models and no definitive models yet. It's been that way with the F40PH for example. We have KATO, Athearn RTR, IMRC, Broadway Ltd., Bowser. It's becoming the F unit of the decade, many versions but none so far as truly definitive ... I'm just glad the SD40-2 isn't a "must have" for me, but they did pool on the D&RGW as UP and BN units so are still of interest. |
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Post by drolsen on Jul 21, 2014 6:25:57 GMT -8
My guess is that they are using the SD9 (type I flexicoil) side frame. Brian, I heard somewhere else (either the Diesel List or Trainorders), possibly from Carrman, that Athearn was not satisfied with the old SD9 side frames and tooled new ones for this model. Dave |
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Post by atsfan on Jul 21, 2014 6:43:57 GMT -8
Reading the description what does this engine not have that genesis would have had?
Other than the genesis motor inside.
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Post by shoofly on Jul 21, 2014 6:45:55 GMT -8
 Brian, Craig told me that the SD9 sideframe was not reused for these models as the SD9 had molded on brake cyls and these are not. These models do not have decktread. IMHO that means you can actually use the much finer looking Archer Decals to replicate the tread to near scale size. The door detail is much finer, so the same with the rest of the shell. I think you will be very satisfied with this model as a starting point for your detailing projects. :-) Chris Palomarez |
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Post by shoofly on Jul 21, 2014 6:48:06 GMT -8
Reading the description what does this engine not have that genesis would have had? Other than the genesis motor inside. A genesis locomotive would have lift rings, windshield wipers and molded on deck tread. The RTR SD40 does not have these three detail features but all are available as aftermarket parts. -CP |
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Post by carrman on Jul 21, 2014 7:29:03 GMT -8
But why are the brake shoes missing on the outboard axles of the triple clasp?
Dave
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 8:04:13 GMT -8
Brian, Craig told me that the SD9 sideframe was not reused for these models as the SD9 had molded on brake cyls and these are not. These models do not have decktread. IMHO that means you can actually use the much finer looking Archer Decals to replicate the tread to near scale size. The door detail is much finer, so the same with the rest of the shell. I think you will be very satisfied with this model as a starting point for your detailing projects. :-) Chris Palomarez Chris, OK, so the side frames in the photo above are just stand ins for when the new side frames are ready? Because the side frame shown in the photo above IS the SD9 (Type I Flexicoil). Same ones used on the Athearn EJ&E SD38. Athearn retooled the SD9 side frame to have separate brake cylinders. Dave, The outside brake shoes are missing to clear the step wells. Since the frames can be swapped side to side, they are missing from both ends. |
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Post by curtmc on Jul 21, 2014 8:28:06 GMT -8
Athearn rep described it as an all new side-frame to another onlooker while I was there looking at them...
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Post by carrman on Jul 21, 2014 8:47:11 GMT -8
Athearn rep described it as an all new side-frame to another onlooker while I was there looking at them... Well, fortunately for me I don't model a prototype that used triple clasps...;-) Dave |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 9:14:39 GMT -8
Athearn rep described it as an all new side-frame to another onlooker while I was there looking at them... Well, then they have not made it in time for the show because the side frame in the photo that Chris posted IS NOT correct . If they are newly tooled, then Athearn made a BIG mistake with the type of frame they tooled. They must have used the design from the SD9 and modified it to remove the brake cylinders and the outside brake clasps. They are Type I Flexicoils as used on the SD9/SD24/UP SD45's/CB&Q SD40's. N&W SD40's & 45's used Type II Flexicoils. They can be kitbashed using Athearn parts. The process for doing it is seen here www.6axlepwr.com/EJE_SD38_CR_02.html. Nobody to date has mass produced a type II Flexicoil with triple clasp brakes. |
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Post by nightmare0331 on Jul 22, 2014 8:00:47 GMT -8
Just a dumb question for anyone who might know...I can't find decent enough photos to tell. Is the long hood a separate piece from the walkways on this retooled SD40? Thanks! Kelley. www.dufordmodelworks.com |
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