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Post by atsfan on Jun 27, 2012 17:30:42 GMT -8
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Post by bdhicks on Jun 27, 2012 21:11:48 GMT -8
I was there with a few models. I took some pictures but I haven't posted them online yet.
It seemed like a bigger crowd than past years.
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Post by tom on Jun 29, 2012 4:48:34 GMT -8
I was there with a few models. I took some pictures but I haven't posted them online yet. I would have loved to have been in California with a couple of models but I was stuck here in Pennsylvania working on my trains.....  Anyhow looks like a great meet and some really great modeling goin on there. Wish we had a meet of the same caliber here. |
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Post by tracktime on Jun 29, 2012 23:55:39 GMT -8
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Post by calzephyr on Jun 30, 2012 6:32:34 GMT -8
Thanks Harry for the links! I noticed some of your nice work in those pictures also. Larry |
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Post by tracktime on Jun 30, 2012 13:16:28 GMT -8
Thanks Larry. There were some incredible models at BAPM. Stunning work from some very talented (and laid-back) folks. Cheers, Harry www.bayareaprototypemodelers.net |
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Post by bdhicks on Jul 8, 2012 17:14:16 GMT -8
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Post by rhpd42002 on Jul 9, 2012 16:04:47 GMT -8
WOW guys!! Those are some great links with lots of good pics. Thanks for sharing them with all of us.  |
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Post by rapidotrains on Jul 10, 2012 15:28:57 GMT -8
Those are some gorgeous models - wow!
I have noticed though that most of the prototype meets in the States are filled with (primarily) modern freight.
In contrast, the prototype meets in Canada seem to be more of a mixed bag, with focus mainly on the transition era.
What is it about modern freight that attracts the prototype modeller, as opposed to transition era models?
-Jason
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Post by atsfan on Jul 12, 2012 16:35:47 GMT -8
Those are some gorgeous models - wow! I have noticed though that most of the prototype meets in the States are filled with (primarily) modern freight. In contrast, the prototype meets in Canada seem to be more of a mixed bag, with focus mainly on the transition era. What is it about modern freight that attracts the prototype modeller, as opposed to transition era models? -Jason I think the reason is the transition era was 60 years ago. Most of the people at RPM meets are not 70-80 years old, which you need to be to have seen that. Heck, the Penn Central era is ancient history. People model what they see. And in the USA for the last 30 years, that is modern. I keep saying people need to realize that two generations have come since the PRR was anything near the "standard" railroad. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 12, 2012 17:16:16 GMT -8
In contrast, the prototype meets in Canada seem to be more of a mixed bag, with focus mainly on the transition era. -Jason Most of the people at RPM meets are not 70-80 years old, which you need to be to have seen that....People model what they see. Wow. Must be mostly really, really old coots up there at the Canadian meets. Ed |
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Post by el3637 on Jul 13, 2012 13:01:01 GMT -8
What is it about modern freight that attracts the prototype modeller, as opposed to transition era models? Good question, and I have a partial answer. What we know today collectively as Railroad Prototype Modelers, a nonexistent organization which is primarily an acronym, was originally MPM - Modern Prototype Modelers. Around 1985, people interested in modern modeling were lamenting things like the NMRA contests that didn't even recognize much past 1955... the infamous "diesel and other" classification that had the best modern diesel kitbashes competing against wooden self-propelled freelanced motorized outhouses and what not. So they kind of did their own thing, had their own (vote only, not judged) contest. The MPM at the time I think was mainly attached to the NMRA, as an unregistered SIG. Then in the 1990s, along came Martin Lofton's Naperville meet, which began as a promotion for his own Sunshine Models products, which are steam and transition era. The meet quickly expanded to include the modern prototype modelers who wanted to get away from the NMRA umbrella, and Martin never objected to us diesel guys showing up. One of the founders of the MPM was Joe D'Elia, who was one of the first manufacturers to tackle contemporary intermodal equipment - containers and well cars and the like - so the MPM/RPM movement also included manufacturers. Naperville is often called an RPM meet but it did not call itself such until Joe took it over in 2010. The rest of them, whether they use the RPM initials or not, tend to have their own flavor - both regionally and era wise, although the overall rule of thumb is any prototype, any scale. As long as it's based on a prototype. I've always interpreted RPM to be a philosophy, not a standard of detail. I go out on a limb to say this, but IMO a beautiful scratchbuilt, hand detailed model of a train station that never existed is not a prototype model... but the Lego model of Cincinnati Union Terminal shown at the 2005 NTS *is* a prototype model. It fit the definition perfectly, in spite of being made of toy components and not to scale, it's just a matter of degree. There was no doubt what it intended to represent. It even had the giant USA map mural on the end wall of the concourse. So really... if you want to know why one meet is heavy with transition era stuff, and another meet is heavy with 70s and 80s, and another is heavy with contemporary, look to the meet's location and demographics. There are some guys who get around and can be seen at almost any meet (hi Mark) and I used to be one of them, but the cost of travel to CA keeps me from being able to make WPM or BAPM very often. If you go to a few, you pretty much get an idea what to expect. Andy |
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