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Post by tdspeedracer on Sept 18, 2014 11:54:38 GMT -8
I'm working on a Great Dome Ocean View in the GN green scheme, and since it's all apart I figured I would paint and populate the inside.
I found a couple ad prints for the upper level, but I was wondering if any one knew of any info that exists on EB interior colors in general, and the lower level in great dome in particular.
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Trevor
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 15:36:30 GMT -8
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Post by tdspeedracer on Sept 19, 2014 5:46:16 GMT -8
Thank you Jim for the links. I never knew they had all the indian artwork in those. I'll have to see how much the bar will show and then decide if I want to tackle painting that bird, but at least now I can add some color to the rest of it.
Trevor
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Post by GP40P-2 on Sept 19, 2014 22:26:58 GMT -8
It is too bad that those interior kits for the Santa Fe El Capitan's didn't do as well as the manufacturer had apparently hoped. It would have been great to see those extended to the Super Chief, and to cars from other railroads, like this GN great dome.
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Post by routerock on Sept 21, 2014 6:43:50 GMT -8
The problem with those El-Capitan kit are that they were way to expensive.
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Post by railthunder on Sept 21, 2014 11:05:58 GMT -8
Would love to see pics of the completed project Trevor. I'm assuming by the green/white GN scheme you are working on is the wide hockey puck scheme? It is my understanding the interior colors and compliments did not change on the experimental green schemes - am I right about that?
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Post by tdspeedracer on Sept 22, 2014 6:23:02 GMT -8
Would love to see pics of the completed project Trevor. I'm assuming by the green/white GN scheme you are working on is the wide hockey puck scheme? It is my understanding the interior colors and compliments did not change on the experimental green schemes - am I right about that? You are correct as to the paint scheme.  As for interior, the links Jim provided along with some promotional artwork from GN (GNHS site) are all I have to go on. Passenger service wasn't making any money at the time, so I'm guessing they wouldn't spend the money needed to give them make overs, unless they were trashed. Trevor |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 9:57:39 GMT -8
Ocean View is in an experimental pre-merger scheme. There was also a dome coach that got the experimental green/black and hockey stick. Other than those two cars, I'm unaware of any of the P-S and ACF slab side cars which got experimental pre-BN.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 22, 2014 12:55:39 GMT -8
There were four cars painted in the "GN green" scheme:
GN 1099--56-seat coach
GN 1254--LAKE MINNETONKA--diner
GN 1320--dome coach
GN 1391--OCEAN VIEW--dome lounge
The two coaches were painted in the typical BN scheme, but with "Great Northern" and the goat instead of the BN lettering. For the diner and the dome lounge, the scheme was different: The top of the white band was at the top of the side, rather than just above the windows.
Ed
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Post by calzephyr on Sept 23, 2014 10:38:30 GMT -8
Jim Thanks for the link to the interior pictures. Did they use those colors with the BN and Green exteriors?  I would guess they changed with the BN ownership. Larry |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 14:28:31 GMT -8
Jim Thanks for the link to the interior pictures. Did they use those colors with the BN and Green exteriors? I would guess they changed with the BN ownership. Larry BN didn't do anything to the intercity passenger car fleet on the inside for the brief period where BN was in the passenger business between March 2, 1970 and May 1, 1971. The one Great Dome that did go into the BN business car fleet may have been altered but the big swing came when it was rebuilt as a glass end theater car. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 23, 2014 15:35:43 GMT -8
I was in MOUNTAIN VIEW in November of 1973. It didn't appear to me that Amtrak had made any changes inside, either. I know, for example, that the seats in the dome were still salmon and turquoise color.
Ed
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Post by calzephyr on Sept 23, 2014 16:56:19 GMT -8
Jim Thanks for the link to the interior pictures. Did they use those colors with the BN and Green exteriors? I would guess they changed with the BN ownership. Larry BN didn't do anything to the intercity passenger car fleet on the inside for the brief period where BN was in the passenger business between March 2, 1970 and May 1, 1971. The one Great Dome that did go into the BN business car fleet may have been altered but the big swing came when it was rebuilt as a glass end theater car. Thanks. That makes sense since they were only used a short time for the BN passenger service. The rebuilt car probably was changed a lot since it was rebuilt for officials to use. Larry |
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Post by calzephyr on Sept 23, 2014 16:56:51 GMT -8
I was in MOUNTAIN VIEW in November of 1973. It didn't appear to me that Amtrak had made any changes inside, either. I know, for example, that the seats in the dome were still salmon and turquoise color. Ed Thanks Ed, good to know. Larry |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 6:57:25 GMT -8
BN didn't do anything to the intercity passenger car fleet on the inside for the brief period where BN was in the passenger business between March 2, 1970 and May 1, 1971. The one Great Dome that did go into the BN business car fleet may have been altered but the big swing came when it was rebuilt as a glass end theater car. Thanks. That makes sense since they were only used a short time for the BN passenger service. The rebuilt car probably was changed a lot since it was rebuilt for officials to use. Larry You have to understand who was the CEO and President of the new Burlington Northern at the time of the merger. Louis W. Menk had been on a crusade since the 60's to downgrade or abandon passenger service. Menk was the architect behind the gutting of passenger service on the Frisco. When Menk left the Frisco for the CB&Q he began a systematic dismantling of the lesser and even some larger named trains on the Burlington. About the only two trains that didn't get chopped were the California Zephyr and the Denver Zephyr. But, in fairness to Mr. Menk, by 1965, the handwriting was on the wall as far as passenger service and the amount of red it was contributing to the corporate bottom line. In 1966, Mr. Menk became president of the Northern Pacific and passenger service came under scrutiny on that road. The North Coast Limited and the Mainstreeter were safe. When the BN merger took place John M. Budd president and CEO of the passenger friendly Great Northern became Chairman of the new Burlington Northern and Louis W. Menk was made president. By the time of the merger, passenger service was hemorrhaging money for the new BN. The California Zephyr was a shadow of its former self after the Western Pacific abandoned the CZ in 1970. The BN was operating four trains from Chicago to Seattle. The Empire Builder, North Coast Limited, Western Star and Mainstreeter. BN still had the Denver Zephyr and the mortal remains of trains like the Nebraska Zephyr, no longer named, and the connecting trains with the EB and NCL over the former Spokane, Portland & Seattle. Oh, and BN was still running the Chicago to Aurora commuter service. The West Suburban Mass Transit District was still a few years away from formation. To spend money on the interiors of the passenger cars in the BN fleet as they awaited the formation of Amtrak(already in discussion when the BN merger took place) would have been out of complete necessity. But by the merger, BN had SO MANY serviceable passenger cars already in storage, a damaged car would be more than likely shuffled out to sit and await its fate. I'm very surprised that even some of the cars were repainted into the BN passenger car scheme. Most BN passenger cars went to Amtrak in two-tone Lowey, Sky Blue, Omaha orange and green, ocher and green and stainless steel with such names as California Zephyr still in the letter board. |
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