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Post by Dear Leader on Nov 2, 2014 13:06:14 GMT -8
For those of you waiting for Athearn's PTC antenna, instead of the Shape Way version, your going to be disappointed. Athearn has seen fit to sell the part mounted on a SD-70Ace roof. Nice if your going to mount it on a SD-70Ace, otherwise, not so nice. Oh well. Maybe Intermountain's antenna will be available as a separate piece.
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Post by stevef45 on Nov 2, 2014 17:15:52 GMT -8
wtf did they do that? It was originally just the part itself.
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Post by atsfan on Nov 2, 2014 17:25:41 GMT -8
Parts are not athearns business anymore sadly
Made to pre order only importing is their business
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Post by wmcbride on Nov 2, 2014 19:42:11 GMT -8
Parts are not athearns business anymore sadly Made to pre order only importing is their business Their on-line parts listing is pretty weak. That said, I have had luck emailing them for replacement parts like handrails that have arrived broken. Sometimes it takes a while but they have always come through with the part - free of charge. Bill McBride |
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Post by grabbem88 on Nov 2, 2014 21:37:12 GMT -8
$20.00 minimum is what they told me for ordering parts
I ordered a set for every genesis model I got for back up a while back and a beacon stand..
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Post by drolsen on Nov 3, 2014 0:09:32 GMT -8
Have you all considered the possibility that the antenna array is molded as part of the roof and is not a separate part? It doesn't look to me like Athearn is choosing to sell them together just to make life hard on you, but rather that it's the only way that the array can be offered. I don't have a parts list to see if they are separate parts, but if they are, it shouldn't be hard to separate them.
Dave
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Post by stevef45 on Nov 3, 2014 23:16:35 GMT -8
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Post by bnsf971 on Nov 4, 2014 4:28:30 GMT -8
$7.15 shipping, in addition to the price of the part, makes it kind of pricey.
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Post by nightmare0331 on Nov 4, 2014 6:19:23 GMT -8
If it's the part of the roof, cut close and sand it down.
Piece of cake.
Kelley.
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Post by rteusink on Nov 4, 2014 10:42:44 GMT -8
Kelley -
You can't expect people to do actual modeling!
Bob
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 11:23:36 GMT -8
If it's the part of the roof, cut close and sand it down. Piece of cake. Kelley. I learned a long time ago that there is no such thing as a "piece of cake". Doc says I can't have cake anymore either.....  In fact those words "piece of cake" are not permitted in my vocabulary.....for when they are uttered, disaster is close behind... at least for me:( Sound advice though from Kelly. Cut close and carefully file and/or sand. Lots of work? Yes, but it a doable modeling project. |
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Post by atsfan on Nov 4, 2014 12:50:50 GMT -8
How is it good advice to attempt to cut off and use cast on roof mounted antennas?
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Post by nightmare0331 on Nov 4, 2014 12:52:45 GMT -8
If it's the part of the roof, cut close and sand it down. Piece of cake. Kelley. I learned a long time ago that there is no such thing as a "piece of cake". Doc says I can't have cake anymore either..... In fact those words "piece of cake" are not permitted in my vocabulary.....for when they are uttered, disaster is close behind... at least for me:( Sound advice though from Kelly. Cut close and carefully file and/or sand. Lots of work? Yes, but it a doable modeling project. Just add liquor instead of cake. The problem will solve itself one way or another.  Enjoy! Kelley. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 12:57:53 GMT -8
I learned a long time ago that there is no such thing as a "piece of cake". Doc says I can't have cake anymore either..... In fact those words "piece of cake" are not permitted in my vocabulary.....for when they are uttered, disaster is close behind... at least for me:( Sound advice though from Kelly. Cut close and carefully file and/or sand. Lots of work? Yes, but it a doable modeling project. Just add liquor instead of cake. The problem will solve itself one way or another. Enjoy! Kelley. If not liquor, happy pills from Doc!!!!  |
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Post by onequiknova on Nov 4, 2014 14:21:04 GMT -8
How is it good advice to attempt to cut off and use cast on roof mounted antennas? What other option do you have? A rough 3D printed part from eBay? What Kelley describes is pretty basic stuff. An Xacto knife or razor saw, some 400 grit sand paper and about 15 minutes and you have your part. I guess Bob was right. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 16:07:15 GMT -8
How is it good advice to attempt to cut off and use cast on roof mounted antennas? What other option do you have? A rough 3D printed part from eBay? What Kelley describes is pretty basic stuff. An Xacto knife or razor saw, some 400 grit sand paper and about 15 minutes and you have your part. I guess Bob was right. Maybe more modelers need happy pills from Doc! When you take one of those you feel "much better".  |
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Post by santafe49 on Nov 4, 2014 16:48:51 GMT -8
Sad thing is, you could put one package in a plain envelope, slap on a 49 cent stamp and it would be there before priority mail.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 16:53:10 GMT -8
Sad thing is, you could put one package in a plain envelope, slap on a 49 cent stamp and it would be there before priority mail. I mailed a friend a package two weeks ago via Priority Mail. The package was going from N.E. Wisconsin to West Virginia. Mailed on October 22 and anticipated delivery of October 24. It was delivered on November 1......and USPS wonders WHY people aren't using the mail..... |
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Post by atsfan on Nov 4, 2014 17:01:06 GMT -8
How is it good advice to attempt to cut off and use cast on roof mounted antennas? What other option do you have? A rough 3D printed part from eBay? What Kelley describes is pretty basic stuff. An Xacto knife or razor saw, some 400 grit sand paper and about 15 minutes and you have your part. I guess Bob was right. You first. Would live to see someone shave off the tiny parts and then reuse them and have them attached and not have glue marks all over them. |
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Post by Donnell Wells on Nov 4, 2014 18:40:00 GMT -8
What other option do you have? A rough 3D printed part from eBay? What Kelley describes is pretty basic stuff. An Xacto knife or razor saw, some 400 grit sand paper and about 15 minutes and you have your part. I guess Bob was right. You first. Would live to see someone shave off the tiny parts and then reuse them and have them attached and not have glue marks all over them.
atsfan, you must not understand what John is saying. You don't shave all of the tiny bits off, you cut off the extra bits of roof around the antenna base, and then carefully sand the rest away. I do this Detail West rooftop air conditioners as the mounting flange around the base is a bit thick.
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Post by onequiknova on Nov 4, 2014 18:44:44 GMT -8
Exactly. You don't even need to make precise cuts. Just sand the bottom of the roof away in a figure 8 pattern to keep it square, and eventually you'll have the antenna you need.
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Nov 4, 2014 20:09:25 GMT -8
People come up with ideas that are actually harder than it sounds. And spending $20 to cut off the antennas unit from an Athearn is retarded. That is expensive and takes much precision to do. So what is the best alternative? Buy the stupid $20 (with shipping of $7.15) make an easy modl of it with stuff from michaels. Make the mold and go ahead and make duplicates over and over again. Then to be real business savy, sell the new antennas online and make a profit!!  OH yeah!, Then resell the same Athearn part back on Ebay for $20!! |
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Post by Donnell Wells on Nov 4, 2014 20:33:51 GMT -8
People come up with ideas that are actually harder than it sounds. And spending $20 to cut off the antennas unit from an Athearn is retarded. That is expensive and takes much precision to do. So what is the best alternative? Buy the stupid $20 (with shipping of $7.15) make an easy modl of it with stuff from michaels. Make the mold and go ahead and make duplicates over and over again. Then to be real business savy, sell the new antennas online and make a profit!! OH yeah!, Then resell the same Athearn part back on Ebay for $20!!
It maybe retarded to you, but for many it's a very practical option. And as for shipping, well, that's just the nature of things these days. As more shops close, modelers have to rely more on mail order. Seven dollars is a lot for just one part, but realistically, who orders just one part?
If you're only interested in doing a "one-off", find the Pelle Soeborg article in the April 2014 MR, and scratch build one.
Donnell
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Post by bdhicks on Nov 4, 2014 23:08:01 GMT -8
I had started doing a PTC of my own, and I even made an extra roof since I wanted to be able to run it for either as delivered or later. Unfortunately I have a habit of losing momentum when it gets around time to paint so it's been sitting around for a while.
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Post by drolsen on Nov 5, 2014 11:04:54 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 14:52:56 GMT -8
I just read on Train Orders that the antenna cluster is incorrect. Something about Athearn made the front cluster a little narrower than the rear. Both clusters are supposed to be the same width or so some say.
Food for thought for you 2014 modelers.
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Post by Donnell Wells on Nov 6, 2014 7:27:16 GMT -8
I just read on Train Orders that the antenna cluster is incorrect. Something about Athearn made the front cluster a little narrower than the rear. Both clusters are supposed to be the same width or so some say. Food for thought for you 2014 modelers.
That's why it's best to reference photos of the prototype, and more specifically the exact model you intend to replicate.
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Post by bdhicks on Nov 6, 2014 7:55:59 GMT -8
There are also several prototypical antenna arrangements on the cabinets.
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Post by drolsen on Nov 6, 2014 9:58:51 GMT -8
Both clusters are supposed to be the same width or so some say. I think it's always risky to make absolute statements when it comes to diesel models. The saying used to be that EMD stood for "Every Model's Different." While I agree that it appears to be the norm that both antenna bases are the same width, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a version out there that matches the Athearn model. Of course, that version appears to be incorrect for the prototypes that people have shared photos of, which is a bummer. I definitely agree that this would be a perfect accessoriy for BLMA to produce. It seems right up their alley as a manufacturer of contemporary diesel and trackside details. If I wanted to model just a couple of these, I would follow Pelle Soeberg's excellent example in his MR article about modeling a contemporary UP AC4400CW (I think). He scratchbuilt the bases from sheet and strip styrene, and it looked very easy. But if you have to equip a whole fleet, I can see the appeal of a ready-made part. Dave |
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In fact those words "piece of cake" are not permitted in my vocabulary.....for when they are uttered, disaster is close behind... at least for me:(
OH yeah!, Then resell the same Athearn part back on Ebay for $20!!