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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 15:01:58 GMT -8
Woohoo!
Phase 2/3, $200 (US) for the dc version, $300 (US) for the ESU dcc version.
(They're about $30 more in Canadian dollars)
If I pre order some, does anyone know when they charge my card?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 15:35:21 GMT -8
Most stores charge when a model actually arrives. Some may require a small deposit. Some, like M.B. Klein do not take advance reservations. I imagine there is time to shop around and find a store that has the agreeable price and terms for you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 15:49:01 GMT -8
I just saw on the website, they don't charge until the model is in stock.
I've never pre ordered before, can I get a better price from a local hobby store, or are rapido products usually sold at list price?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 16:07:22 GMT -8
I just saw on the website, they don't charge until the model is in stock. I've never pre ordered before, can I get a better price from a local hobby store, or are rapido products usually sold at list price? Most Rapido products are discounted a little, price is up to each individual store. Once there is an official announcement with item numbers and cut off date for reservations, most stores will know the MSRP and their discount. |
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Post by slowfreight on Nov 26, 2014 16:21:50 GMT -8
Now I have to weigh the pros/cons of buying an undec to kitbash into RTA or wait and hope. I could certainly salvage most of the critical parts from one of my Kato units.
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Post by Tom on Nov 26, 2014 16:55:49 GMT -8
All the Kato variants require a nose job that's too much work for me...along with a great lack of detail. For me that means: they go!
As for billing your CC, the site states:
You can pre-order your Amtrak F40PH from your hobby retailer or directly from Rapido Trains Inc. If you wish to order from us, please use the shopping cart links above. Prices shown are in US dollars. Your credit card will be charged when your locomotive is in stock and ready to ship.
Canadian customers will be charged the Canadian MSRP. No deposit is necessary.
Save those pennies.
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Post by bdhicks on Nov 26, 2014 17:18:02 GMT -8
Remember that the Rapido MSRP is in Canadian dollars, so anyone who asks for that much (or more than 90% of that) in US dollars is overcharging you.
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Post by fr8kar on Nov 26, 2014 17:32:27 GMT -8
Wow, this is good news. These will sell like hotcakes. I might even be convinced to buy one, and I have no interest in passenger trains.
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Post by sd80macs on Nov 26, 2014 17:32:43 GMT -8
Remember that the Rapido MSRP is in Canadian dollars, so anyone who asks for that much (or more than 90% of that) in US dollars is overcharging you. The $200 and $300 is US dollars, here is the info off Rapido's site. Rapido is offering an introductory MSRP of $299.95 for sound-equipped locomotives and $199.95 for silent DC models. ($329.95 and $229.95 in Canada.) |
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Post by roadkill on Nov 26, 2014 17:42:38 GMT -8
Many years ago I got a cab ride from Erie to Cleveland on the westbound Lake Shore Limited, rode the 344. Gonna have to model her now  ! |
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Post by carrman on Nov 26, 2014 17:49:33 GMT -8
May they sell like there is no tomorrow!
Dave
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Post by atsfan on Nov 26, 2014 18:07:57 GMT -8
Good news for Amtrak modelers
Those Canadian versions looked awesome
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Post by bdhicks on Nov 26, 2014 21:38:19 GMT -8
Remember that the Rapido MSRP is in Canadian dollars, so anyone who asks for that much (or more than 90% of that) in US dollars is overcharging you. The $200 and $300 is US dollars, here is the info off Rapido's site. Rapido is offering an introductory MSRP of $299.95 for sound-equipped locomotives and $199.95 for silent DC models. ($329.95 and $229.95 in Canada.) Oh, I missed that. Good to know the pricing is more straightforward for Americans on this model, I just mentioned it because I've had problems with getting overcharged for preorders from Canada in the past. |
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Post by pboilermaker on Nov 26, 2014 22:56:51 GMT -8
Wow, these look great. I would prefer the later build (fuel tank forward), are those coming along as well?
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Post by riogrande on Nov 27, 2014 6:48:56 GMT -8
I'm interested in the fuel tank forward version which pulled the Amtrak California Zephyr. From everything I'm reading on the website, it looks like these are phase I version so probably not the best choice for Amtrak California Zephyr. At least finally a manufacturer gets the pilot anticlimber correct. rapidotrains.com/f40amt1.htmlBased on the description and the numbers offered, these are "eastern US" configured F40PH's. oh well. |
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Post by rapidotrains on Nov 27, 2014 7:28:01 GMT -8
In answer to the question of whether or not we will do different phases later. (Body phases not paint phases!)
Let's see how the Phase 1 sells and that will determine whether or not we do a Phase 2 or 3. In short: if you want to see later phases, order the phase 1s! And they did indeed operate nationwide - not just in the northeast. They "started" their careers in the northeast. In fact, our chosen loco numbers are split between east and west coast assignments. I'll ask Bill to add that info to our web site next week.
To do 2s and 3s requires a lot of new shell slides and three or four new underbody and roof detail molds. That's a significant investment in
tooling.
If we sell enough Phase 1s, the cost doesn't scare us. If our sales figures are lower than expected, then we'll probably stop with the Phase
1s.
If we exceed our target for Phase 1s, we could even look at tooling some vegetables. ;-)
-Jason
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 27, 2014 7:30:33 GMT -8
I think I saw a shot of an early F40PH pulling the San Diegan. But I also believe that the early ones weren't at all typical of the Western operated locos. A 20% larger fuel tank could account for that.
So I will also wait for the later versions. These do look really, really nice, though.
Ed
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Post by riogrande on Nov 27, 2014 7:45:44 GMT -8
Yes Ed, I've looked at a lot of photo's of the Amtrak California Zephyr, and most of the F40PH's were in the upper 2xx and 300 series. F40PH's from the current offering appear to be pretty rare out west. I'm sitting on 6 phase II and III body F40PH's right now as it is, although true, not as nice as what Rapdio will make. In answer to the question of whether or not we will do different phases later. (Body phases not paint phases!) Let's see how the Phase 1 sells and that will determine whether or not we do a Phase 2 or 3. In short: if you want to see later phases, order the phase 1s! -Jason Jason, sorry I just should have said Oye Vey and nothing else! =P I'll be rooting for the phase I's and try to have the patience of Job waiting for the phases that are typical for the Amtrak California Zephyr. I'm sure those phase I's will sell well, since the northeast is the high population density area and they should be popular. It is logical reason for Rapido to offer phase I first, and it makes sense; I can't fault you for that! If I can swing it, I may get me one of the phase I. Cheers, Jim |
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Post by markfj on Nov 27, 2014 8:11:50 GMT -8
Nice, this may be my first ever preorder! Some needs to post that “Shut up and take my money” cartoon picture.  Thanks Rapido! Mark |
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Post by rapidotrains on Nov 27, 2014 8:56:19 GMT -8
Hi guys,
Alex got back to me with the assignments for our loco numbers. About half of these eventually were assigned to the west. Of course, the later units were out west in greater numbers. But here is the excuse for all your western modelers to buy at least one or two!
Phase II
200 East
205 East
208 East
214 West
219 West
221 West
222 West
225 East/Midwest
Phase III
204 East
209 East
213 East
217 East/Midwest
220 West
223 West
224 West
227 East/Midwest
-Jason
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Post by bigblow69 on Nov 27, 2014 9:01:32 GMT -8
I don't care much for the modern GE Amtrak loco's but always liked the F40PH's. Hopefully we will someday see an SDP40-2.
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Post by peoriaman on Nov 27, 2014 9:07:59 GMT -8
Any plans for a "Cabbage"?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 9:59:35 GMT -8
I don't care much for the modern GE Amtrak loco's but always liked the F40PH's. Hopefully we will someday see an SDP40-2. There is no such thing as an SDP40-2. Now there is an SDP40F which more or less an SD40-2 in a cowl with a steam generator. |
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Post by riogrande on Nov 27, 2014 10:17:43 GMT -8
I never cared for the GE Amtrak units - they look like something out of Star Wars - like a Imperial Storm Trooper engine! yuk! Any plans for a "Cabbage"? Well, as Jason commented, first the phase I will have to sell well before they get to phase II or phase III, if ever. So the cabbage version are a looooong way off, if ever. |
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Post by Judge Doom on Nov 27, 2014 10:31:54 GMT -8
Nice, this may be my first ever preorder! Some needs to post that “Shut up and take my money” cartoon picture. Thanks Rapido! Mark  |
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Post by GP40P-2 on Nov 27, 2014 10:34:32 GMT -8
The phase I units were used in the west on at minimum the San Diegans, likely due to the small fuel tanks. I have photos in the late-70's, and they can be seen in the book on the San Diegans.
Whether or not they were on the San Joaquins, I have not yet determined. Maybe not as the route was longer?
Jim
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 27, 2014 10:36:17 GMT -8
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Post by riogrande on Nov 27, 2014 10:57:10 GMT -8
Jason, I will keep those numbers in mind!
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Post by drolsen on Nov 27, 2014 11:15:31 GMT -8
In short: if you want to see later phases, order the phase 1s! Jason, the models look fantastic! I'd love to support this release, but I just can't afford to buy models that are out of my modeling era. If you can offer the Phase I with dtichlights, or at least the later '90s era modifications, I will definitely buy a couple. If you can produce the later Phase 2 and 3 variants with '90s details, I'm in for another 4-6 (as many as I can afford). Thank you from a longtime Amtrak fan for recognizing the importance of this prototype and producing the quality model that it deserves! Dave |
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Post by riogrande on Nov 27, 2014 11:31:51 GMT -8
I agree with Dave, they look fantastic. One of the difficulties with the F40PH is there have been so many variants over the years, including the different phases, and configurations and then ditch lights etc. That presents a challenge - so companies like Rapido can only deal with offering a few at a time.
I have to say ever since the 80's I've wanted an accurate F40PH to pull the Amtrak California Zephyr. At the time all there was were toy like versions from Life Like. Then Bachman Spectrum announced their version - I bought two but was disappointed with the poor rendition of the pilot which had a flat spot and the profile was bad, lousy plow, not to mention it was too short and the trucks spaced too far apart - and couple's caused wide coupling and could not be easily fixed.
Then Walther's came out with their Trainline F40PH, which despite being an economy model, looked MUCH better than the Spectrum model, and had a much better pilot and separate plow. I sold my Bachman F40PH's and replaced them with the Walthers Trainline. Then KATO announced theirs, which should have been the ultimate F40PH, but it has received a lot of criticism too - mainly the nose, which I didn't notice. I bought 3 of the KATO's too. But even with the better F40PH's, the pilot I noticed was still not right, it was flat and didn't have the stepped anti climber as it should.
Roll on to the present, now Rapido is finally, FINALLY offering an F40PH with the fidelity much better and similar to Genesis models. But getting the versions we want, well... only time will tell!
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