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Post by roadkill on Mar 2, 2015 15:53:38 GMT -8
Count me as one that would buy a Gennie level E8/9. I don't mind the BLI units as their flaws are repairable but you can't give me a Proto turd. The shell is quite simply awful, both the original and the Walthers reboot. IMHO ever so slightly better than the Marx F3. Pure unadulterated garbage. Give some Gennie level E8s in Amtrak Phase 1 paint, please.
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Post by Spikre on Mar 2, 2015 16:46:42 GMT -8
Curt, Paul L. started His project that became the Highliner F Kits about 1980. about 86 even Fred Becker got involved with Front Range to offer RTR versions of the Original "Split Body" version.problems with the A unit led to the B unit being retooled as a 1 piece body and put on the Market about 1990.Athearn got involved later and helped to finish the A unit. but the body does have some flaws for post 1951 F units. so it is good for F2 thru F7 Phase-1 units,but slightly not there for later units. the Front Range GP9 started out as the East Coast Models GP9 about 1982,then Fred Becker got involved about 1985,the models came out slightly later as Body and Frame Kits,then as RTR units. still hard to believe the Genesis GPs are based on Front Range tooling .... Ferro Kid, only know of EL 817 offered thru Proto/Bev-Bel/ELHS. if Bel-Bel ran some other numbers they were missed here. as noted on Page-1 the 817 was the last EL E8 with all its Portholes intact at CR Day.and maybe still had the nose headlite then also ? Spikre
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Post by onequiknova on Mar 2, 2015 17:25:57 GMT -8
What flaws for post 51 units? The Highliner F comes with everything needed to convert it to an F9 AFAIK. Gasketed windshields and headlights, round corner cab/engine room doors, round rear door window and later style rear door frame. All those are add on parts included with the kit. The side cab windows need to be made taller by the modeler, but the taller glass and wing windows arr included with the kit.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Mar 2, 2015 17:30:26 GMT -8
What flaws for post 51 units? The Highliner F comes with everything needed to convert it to an F9 AFAIK. Gasketed windshields and headlights, round corner cab/engine room doors, round rear door window and later style rear door frame. All those are add on parts included with the kit. The side cab windows need to be made taller by the modeler, but the taller glass and wing windows arr included with the kit. Only thing I can think of is the engine room doors are square.
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Post by onequiknova on Mar 2, 2015 17:40:04 GMT -8
What flaws for post 51 units? The Highliner F comes with everything needed to convert it to an F9 AFAIK. Gasketed windshields and headlights, round corner cab/engine room doors, round rear door window and later style rear door frame. All those are add on parts included with the kit. The side cab windows need to be made taller by the modeler, but the taller glass and wing windows arr included with the kit. Only thing I can think of is the engine room doors are square. There are small etches included, shaped like a skate board half pipe, which are glued at the top and bottom of the engine room doors to give it the round corners.
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Post by Spikre on Mar 2, 2015 17:51:52 GMT -8
John, the Etchings arnt part of the body kit. they need a new Core body for the post 51 units. and do they offer the Roof Tubing that Dave Lehlbach used to get worked up over ? have the Mainline with His letter wanting the roof piping here. is there a separate rear cab molding with out an overhang ? or does the builder remove the overhang ? and lower the body correctly over the trucks ? both the Fs and GPs are slightly high over the trucks. Very Close,closer than any other Fs,Yes !! and maybe its really Nit Picky,but its out there to Pick Over. Spikre
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Post by onequiknova on Mar 2, 2015 18:01:15 GMT -8
John, the Etchings arnt part of the body kit. they need a new Core body for the post 51 units. and do they offer the Roof Tubing that Dave Lebach used to get worked up over ? have the Mainline with His letter wanting the roof piping here. is there a separate rear cab molding with out an overhang ? or does the builder remove the overhang ? and lower the body correctly over the trucks ? both the Fs and GPs are slightly high over the trucks. Very Close,closer than any other Fs,Yes !! and maybe its really Nit Picky,but its out there to Pick Over. Spikre All the F9 parts and etches, except for the rear door detail, are included in the kit. The rear door etches are included when you buy the Highliner Farr grilles. I have about 9 A unit kits here, and only the old stock kits have the cooling coils included. The recent runs of kits don't have them. The overhang is to be removed by the modeler.
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Post by Spikre on Mar 2, 2015 18:17:44 GMT -8
John, will confess to never buying the Kits as why build something, then ruin it with an awfull attempt at an EL paint job ? but do recall some of the items mentioned as complaints over the years the kits have been out. but as said,Highliners does come closest to the Perfact F unit so far . maybe someday will assemble A-B F5s,the favorite F unit here. and maybe someday there will be E8/9s that will be Porthole Free, or be easy to make them Porthole Free. Spikre
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Post by Spikre on Mar 2, 2015 18:29:08 GMT -8
?? John, just to be sure about the Roof pipes,are they the long pipes that run the length of the roof fans ? or are they the short thinner pipes that sort of look like a BBQ Grill,and are about the size of the 36" fans ? David L. was concerned enuff to show a picture of an F roof with the long pipes on it in His MM letter. Spikre
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Mar 2, 2015 19:05:06 GMT -8
?? John, just to be sure about the Roof pipes,are they the long pipes that run the length of the roof fans ? or are they the short thinner pipes that sort of look like a BBQ Grill,and are about the size of the 36" fans ? David L. was concerned enuff to show a picture of an F roof with the long pipes on it in His MM letter. Spikre The long pipes are on all F9's The smaller set is found on some F3's and F7's. Mostly a railroad modification, which is why they can be rather individual.
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Post by Spikre on Mar 2, 2015 19:54:47 GMT -8
Jim, thanks for the Pics !! those are the pipes that are reffered to. think some of the late F7s had the pipes also,but they may have been added by the RR Shops ? some of the rebuilt early Fs on U.P. and Southern had roof pipes added when upgraded. those units should be modelable with the Highliners kits. but maybe its time to re-focus on E8/9s again ? Spikre
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Post by onequiknova on Mar 2, 2015 20:55:43 GMT -8
Those long air compressor coils were included in the old Highliner kits I've got here. I don't know the vintage, but they're in yellow boxes instead of the current beige box. As I said, the new kits don't include them anymore.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Mar 2, 2015 21:20:30 GMT -8
Those long air compressor coils were included in the old Highliner kits I've got here. I don't know the vintage, but they're in yellow boxes instead of the current beige box. As I said, the new kits don't include them anymore. Those coils were difficult to work with, at least for me. They are made out of delrin or other engineering plastic. The instructions tell you to heat them in warm water to allow bending them for installation. I used to buy the brass F9 coils from Overland Models and use those instead, which in my opinion looked better and were 100% easier to work with over the delrin. How many of us miss the neat brass detail parts from OMI? I sure do.
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Post by jaygee on Mar 3, 2015 5:53:13 GMT -8
I'd LOVE me a Genesis E8/9...oh yeah ! Bring it ! Huzzah ! PRR red, single....with Belpaire boiler on the steam gennie !
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Post by edwardsutorik on Mar 3, 2015 7:48:11 GMT -8
How many of us miss the neat brass detail parts from OMI? I sure do. I do too. And the brass locomotives. The last one was when? Ed
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Mar 3, 2015 8:17:29 GMT -8
How many of us miss the neat brass detail parts from OMI? I sure do. I do too. And the brass locomotives. The last one was when? Ed Price aside, its been slim numbers for new OMI brass. Brian and his wife Missy, seem to be making the right decision which is to concentrate on Overland Hobbies. OH at least is paying the bills and putting food on the table for the Marsh family. The hobby business once again proves its a tough row to hoe.
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Post by markfj on Mar 3, 2015 8:38:12 GMT -8
Well, a quick check of eBay yielded zero BLI E8s in the scheme I want; PRR Tuscan Red. No big deal, I can wait until one pops up for sale somewhere.
With all this talk of F units, I’m surprised no one has mentioned the spring issue of Classic Trains, which is all about the evolution of the F unit. It’s a great issue with lots of good photos and information.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Mar 3, 2015 8:48:30 GMT -8
Well, a quick check of eBay yielded zero BLI E8s in the scheme I want; PRR Tuscan Red. No big deal, I can wait until one pops up for sale somewhere. With all this talk of F units, I’m surprised no one has mentioned the spring issue of Classic Trains, which is all about the evolution of the F unit. It’s a great issue with lots of good photos and information. Which scheme do you want? Looks like no PRR in the upcoming run. www.broadway-limited.com/paragon2emde6789.aspx
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Post by onequiknova on Mar 3, 2015 10:06:36 GMT -8
Well, a quick check of eBay yielded zero BLI E8s in the scheme I want; PRR Tuscan Red. No big deal, I can wait until one pops up for sale somewhere. With all this talk of F units, I’m surprised no one has mentioned the spring issue of Classic Trains, which is all about the evolution of the F unit. It’s a great issue with lots of good photos and information. The PRR E8 is one of the few that show up regularly on EBay, along with the demo unit and a couple others.There are four right now. Though 3 of them have a ridiculous BIN price, a deal on a maroon unit should come along shortly. www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2051337.m570.l1313.TR3.TRC1.A0.H0.Xbroadway+e8.TRS0&_nkw=broadway+e8&ghostText=&_sacat=19128 When searching on EBay for BLI units, it's best to search for Broadway Limited, not BLI.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Mar 3, 2015 10:45:43 GMT -8
Well, a quick check of eBay yielded zero BLI E8s in the scheme I want; PRR Tuscan Red. No big deal, I can wait until one pops up for sale somewhere. With all this talk of F units, I’m surprised no one has mentioned the spring issue of Classic Trains, which is all about the evolution of the F unit. It’s a great issue with lots of good photos and information. The PRR E8 is one of the few that show up regularly on EBay, along with the demo unit and a couple others.There are four right now. Though 3 of them have a ridiculous BIN price, a deal on a maroon unit should come along shortly. www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2051337.m570.l1313.TR3.TRC1.A0.H0.Xbroadway+e8.TRS0&_nkw=broadway+e8&ghostText=&_sacat=19128 When searching on EBay for BLI units, it's best to search for Broadway Limited, not BLI. Or do what I do and search for (E8, E-8, E 8, E9, E-9, E 9) and then just pick through all the listings for E8's and9's. People that don't know the rear end from a hole in a ground will not always list a Broadway Limited unit under Broadway Limited. I've found them under "other", "Walthers", "Athearn" and the list goes on.
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Post by onequiknova on Mar 3, 2015 11:02:11 GMT -8
Or do what I do and search for (E8, E-8, E 8, E9, E-9, E 9) and then just pick through all the listings for E8's and9's. People that don't know the rear end from a hole in a ground will not always list a Broadway Limited unit under Broadway Limited. I've found them under "other", "Walthers", "Athearn" and the list goes on. Absolutely. I pick up an out of the box BLI E6A for $60.00 from someone who didn't known what they had.
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