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Post by nw611 on Jul 23, 2012 12:10:17 GMT -8
From Athearn Facebook: "We'll have two locomotive announcementsand an all-new freight car to share". If they need to stress that the freight car will be "all-new", maybe it means that the two locomotives will not be new models. Any guess ? Ciao.
Raffaele
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Post by onequiknova on Jul 23, 2012 12:26:07 GMT -8
how about NS heritage Aces and another variant of their early Genesis Geep.
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Post by mkulak on Jul 23, 2012 12:44:07 GMT -8
No doubt one of the locos will be the next run of the Genesis GP38-2 the second probably a reboot of one of the shells or a former blue box model. One rumor I have heard is that it might be an SW1001. As for the freight car, they say it is a car they have never done before and has a special feature? unless they plan to do a Tyco style car with some sort of chessy action feature the only cars they have never done are a coil car and a trash car. I had heard anothe rumor that they had been interested in doing an epic trash car but again just rumor so a coil car with removable hoods sounds plausable and there has been a mold floating around for the past few years looking for a home.
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Post by riogrande on Jul 23, 2012 13:36:57 GMT -8
Time will tell.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 23, 2012 14:55:50 GMT -8
For them as wants an SW1001, that would be nice. I'd prefer them to do a new SW7/NW2--to the same standards as the SW1000/1500. The railroads that DIDN'T have them are rare, indeed.
Ed
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Post by buffalobill on Jul 23, 2012 15:29:09 GMT -8
Ed: I agree a later NW-2, or SW-7 up to a 1200, with the new RtR run level of detailing, or even a Genesis version would be fantastic. The Kato NW-2 is a beautiful model, its just kind of early. It is a pre- war version of the unit.
A version that lasted into the 1980 or 1990's like the Indiana Harbor Belt units did would be nice.
Bill
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Post by atsfan on Jul 23, 2012 16:03:50 GMT -8
Has Athearn released the locomotive from last year's NTS yet>>>?  |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 23, 2012 16:48:35 GMT -8
Ed: I agree a later NW-2, or SW-7 up to a 1200, with the new RtR run level of detailing, or even a Genesis version would be fantastic. The Kato NW-2 is a beautiful model, its just kind of early. It is a pre- war version of the unit. A version that lasted into the 1980 or 1990's like the Indiana Harbor Belt units did would be nice. Bill Seems to me it wouldn't be too hard for Athearn to do the various versions of the NW2, SW7, the 9, the 1200, and probably getting into the single stack versions--the whole enchilada, as we in California might say. Or maybe Texas. Ed |
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Post by valenciajim on Jul 23, 2012 17:12:51 GMT -8
Personally, I think that doing the NS heritage Aces is a no-brainer.
My fantasy would be for a Krauss Moffei genesis loco, but I doubt that will happen.
Don't have any idea about the freight car.
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Post by dti406 on Jul 23, 2012 17:21:17 GMT -8
My fantasy would be a U25-C, but that won't happen!  |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 23, 2012 19:12:35 GMT -8
In some ways I think a Krauss Moffei would be nice, I do tend to shy away from buying trains which had a limited or very narrow window of time in operation. Even things like the Vert-a-pacs were limited to 1971-1977, but the D&RGW only had the Krauss Maffei on the property for about 3 years. Anyway, my modeling time period starts at 1965 and the K-M's were gone by Feb 1964.
What about a SW1200? I don't think anyone has done that in D&RGW yet and I need a couple - that is one of the last diesels I am missing on my roster now, unless you count the late phase GP40's not yet done.
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Post by Brakie on Jul 24, 2012 1:41:38 GMT -8
Jim,As a fun thing back in '67 AHM made a Krauss Moffei and oddily it was a hot item but,this fad lasted about as long as the prototype.
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Post by nw611 on Jul 24, 2012 2:46:22 GMT -8
Atsfan, it seems that the DDA40Xs will be in the stores next week end. They were announced in March 2011, well before 2011 NTS.
Larry, the AHM Krauss Maffei (made by Rivarossi) was a very advanced model in its times. A friend of mine still has a couple of D&RGW units (both motorized and converted to DCC) and they run very well on our club's layout. Ciao.
Raffaele
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2012 3:36:22 GMT -8
My guesses are:
More GP38-2's in Genesis...Rock Island; B&M; Union Pacific; Undecorated
Genesis GP50: Union Pacific; MoPac; BN; Frisco/BN; Santa Fe
Bethlehem Quad Coal hopper series. ;D (wishful thinking)
Alternative could be another Genesis series caboose; (Santa Fe EV)
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Post by riogrande on Jul 24, 2012 4:28:10 GMT -8
Larry, I've seen the AHM K-M's - and some people have tried to improve those toylike crude models. Interesting engines but don't need any.
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Post by nw611 on Jul 24, 2012 5:33:34 GMT -8
In the meanwhile Athearn issued its HO July announcements:
Lackawanna F3A/B (passenger) and F7A/B (freight) in gray/maroon
Reading GP7 (yellow/green)
Chessie GP9 (both B&O and C&O)
SP GP9 (black widow passenger)
WP GP9 (green/orange)
BN GP15-1 (white face)
EMD Demo SD70M-2
They are all Genesis models.
Maybe at the NTS they will announce brand new locomotives. Ciao.
Raffaele
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Post by drolsen on Jul 24, 2012 6:13:12 GMT -8
Bethlehem Quad Coal hopper series. ;D (wishful thinking) Tom - You mean the CRR / L&N cars of course, right? :) Dave |
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Post by middledivision on Jul 24, 2012 10:03:57 GMT -8
Probably a Western road only unit.
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Post by arandall70 on Jul 24, 2012 11:16:26 GMT -8
NS Heritage and Black ACe's, NS HH GP38-2, Modern Reefer in Cryo-Trans or Modern Carbon black covered hopper...
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Post by riogrande on Jul 24, 2012 11:46:17 GMT -8
Yes, seems Athearn announcements are pretty strictly limited to Genesis and most of those are GP7/9's and F units, and the bay window cabooses. I'm looking forward to the RTR line getting fired back up, specifically more of the 40 and 45' Fruehauf trailers, maybe more Thrall coal gons etc. Probably a Western road only unit. You make it sound like a bad thing! =P |
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Post by Donnell Wells on Jul 24, 2012 12:09:11 GMT -8
Don't forget, Athearn still has all of the ex-RPP stuff:
8-40B
8-40CW
9-44CW (done, Athearn RTR)
B23-7
C30-7
C32-8
CF7 (done,RTR)
GP35 (done,RTR)
GP40X (done,RTR)
GP60/60M/60B
SD7/9
SD38 (done, RTR)
SD40 (done, RTR)
SD45 (done, RTR)
SD45-2 (done, Genesis)
SD60/60M (done, Genesis)
SD90Mac
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Post by nw611 on Jul 24, 2012 13:04:26 GMT -8
Donnell, also the GP60M/Bs were done in RTR. Ciao.
Raffaele
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Post by Donnell Wells on Jul 24, 2012 13:25:59 GMT -8
Oh yeah...thanks, I forgot about those.
Donnell
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Post by riogrande on Jul 24, 2012 15:08:34 GMT -8
Didn't Athearn have a C44-9W before they acquired RPP stuff?
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Post by carrman on Jul 24, 2012 18:34:42 GMT -8
By the pricking of my thumb, something Milwaukee this way comes.....;-)
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Post by Donnell Wells on Jul 24, 2012 21:37:27 GMT -8
Didn't Athearn have a C44-9W before they acquired RPP stuff?
Yes, they did have their own C44-9W, so I think it's safe to assume that any upgrades or enhancements would be made to their own tooling.
I've often wondered what it would take to clean up the RPP tooling, you know, squaring up hood door corners, refining the latch and rivet detail, adding round corners and gaskets to cab windows, and such...
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Post by drolsen on Jul 24, 2012 23:30:51 GMT -8
Yes, they did have their own C44-9W, so I think it's safe to assume that any upgrades or enhancements would be made to their own tooling. Just for the record (I know Donnell knows this already), the SD45-2 and SD60/SD60M were all-new tooling, not revised RPP shells (thankfully). I think Athearn recognized that those important models really needed to be done right from the ground up. Either that or Chris Clune had already tooled them and offered them to Athearn by the time they started revising the RPP shells. Dave |
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Post by riogrande on Jul 25, 2012 11:51:38 GMT -8
Yes, they did have their own C44-9W, so I think it's safe to assume that any upgrades or enhancements would be made to their own tooling. I've often wondered what it would take to clean up the RPP tooling, you know, squaring up hood door corners, refining the latch and rivet detail, adding round corners and gaskets to cab windows, and such... [/font][/quote] Now that you mention it, I do recall RPP had a C44-99W version with the 'gull wing' cab roof that was supposedly designed that way to clear coal loaders - I don't recall if Athearn did one of their own. But regardless, knowing what bits and pieces I know about RPP tooling, Athearns tooling would probably be superior and it woudl take a lot more work to get RPP tooling improved to match or better it? |
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Post by Donnell Wells on Jul 25, 2012 12:43:33 GMT -8
Athearn had a gullwing cab as well, specifically for ATSF units.
RE: Rail Power Products
I applaud RPP's efforts for bringing locomotives that were then unavailable to modelers in masse production. Yeah, they may have been crude, especially by today's standards, but Dana Stark put his money where his mouth was and made something happen.
With the design and production technology available today, I think a modern version of RPP might do rather well, granted things were kept simple.
Donnell
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Post by riogrande on Jul 25, 2012 16:42:14 GMT -8
For the past 10 years I have completely left the wide cab era behind after flirting a little with it in the late 90's so I admit, I've forgotten who makes what. I do recall that Santa Fe was the owner of the gull wing cabs but I forgot what HO comanies made them.
I suppose that only good thing for me about RPP is that Athearn upgraded the SD45 shell and I've gotten 8 of them so far. I know the long hoods are still original but most of the rest is nice, lots of prototypical matching details: SP have a nice plow, pilot details, light packages and L shaped window, UP have the 3 brake cylinders per truck, beacon light on top, D&RGW have the gyra light, nathan antenae and correct snow plow (latter versions anyway).
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