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Post by santafe49 on Nov 15, 2015 9:15:18 GMT -8
I still don't understand the connection between ScaleTrains and NS?? No mention of any items that are specific to NS. What would be the reason for having two reps from a railroad at your booth if you didn't have a model that they had in their fleet?
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Post by tarnett on Nov 15, 2015 10:09:48 GMT -8
As a hint perhpaps? Also, Stacey and Casey were also in town for the Trains magazine 75th anniversary gala.
Todd
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Post by riogrande on Nov 15, 2015 10:25:15 GMT -8
The ad states that the individual modifications to a particular unit will be on the HO model. I am impressed that they might take the time to do this. You have to wonder how the price can be so reasonable for the model compared to the Athearn's Centennial and other recent large diesels. Larry I'm guessing they will sell well. As for the individual modifications, remember Shane came from Athearn and they were already doing things like this, perhaps to a more limited degree on their RTR and Genesis models. I can think of examples for D&RGW where Athearn followed the prototype in various situations: - RTR SD45 #5333 had the inverse herald on the front following that prototype. - RTR SD45 #5317, 5319 had the low mounted brake cylinders but #5324 from the same group had high mount brake cylinders. My UP RTR SD45's have tripple brake cylinders per the prototype. - Athearn has offered the late model GP40-2's with major phase details. They have followed some special detailing on #3123 GP40-2, which was a bit different from the plain vanilla D&RGW GP40-2. I'm sure many other examples can be cited by others who are knowledgeable about other diesels. That being said, Shane is just taking this line of thinking to a higher degree with the Turbines. Kudo's!
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Post by jaygee on Nov 15, 2015 10:42:10 GMT -8
Sign me up for #30, and one of the early config, pre #16 sets, and #27. Hope they do an un-numbered version as well. Make mine the Museum grade ! Gotta get those extra tenders too.
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Post by curtmc on Nov 15, 2015 11:53:53 GMT -8
As a hint perhpaps? Also, Stacey and Casey were also in town for the Trains magazine 75th anniversary gala. Todd Okay... That makes more sense now and would be PR trip... However ScaleTrains has said that (1) NS has helped them on "several" upcoming locomotive and freight car projects, and (2) that they had other items that they had hoped to announce that are being delayed because they didn't have example to show at Trainfest... So you know what was announced yesterday is not all that they have up their sleeves, and I'm betting the NS SD60E is among them (to be their first "modern" locomotive). Besides... They have to have something else to announce at Big E show in January, and Indianapolis NMRA in July. By the way, the UP turbines are supposedly due in April 2016 - after the boxcars and tank cars... PS. As for the ScaleTrains pricing... I expect they have a lot less in overhead costs being in TN vs a company in SoCal or NJ. Plus the multiple detail levels and branch projects (such as the water bottles branch off the turbine project) will increase overall project sales and also help keep pricing lower.
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Post by riogrande on Nov 15, 2015 13:48:23 GMT -8
I imagine ScaleTrains will be announcing more products in the coming weeks and months so likely the NS will be among them assuming they are working with some people on upcoming projects. I agree, it is likely a financial strategy to headquarter in a place that includes some economic advantages - the less handicaps for a business, the better positioning for success, which is good for everyone!
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Post by carrman on Nov 15, 2015 21:46:33 GMT -8
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Post by jaygee on Nov 16, 2015 6:13:01 GMT -8
It's somewhat unclear at this point as to exactly which numbers will be offered in the #1 to #30 series. So far, I can pin down.....#1, #18, #26, #27, and the unique #30. I hope to see more of the early units (under #16) in the future. The earliest of these machines were running along side big UP steam in revenue freight service....after July of '59, it was just 844. As for sound, I sure hope they put in enough volume! If the neighbors are complaining from two houses down, then it's probably about right !
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Post by calzephyr on Nov 16, 2015 6:29:09 GMT -8
As a hint perhpaps? Also, Stacey and Casey were also in town for the Trains magazine 75th anniversary gala. Todd Okay... That makes more sense now and would be PR trip... However ScaleTrains has said that (1) NS has helped them on "several" upcoming locomotive and freight car projects, and (2) that they had other items that they had hoped to announce that are being delayed because they didn't have example to show at Trainfest... So you know what was announced yesterday is not all that they have up their sleeves, and I'm betting the NS SD60E is among them (to be their first "modern" locomotive). Besides... They have to have something else to announce at Big E show in January, and Indianapolis NMRA in July. By the way, the UP turbines are supposedly due in April 2016 - after the boxcars and tank cars... PS. As for the ScaleTrains pricing... I expect they have a lot less in overhead costs being in TN vs a company in SoCal or NJ. Plus the multiple detail levels and branch projects (such as the water bottles branch off the turbine project) will increase overall project sales and also help keep pricing lower. Knowing the assistance statement from NS makes me think the SD60E and other variations of the NS rebuilding will show up in the next few months. They have the ECO Geep also that is unique to the NS. That cab is a one of a kind designed by the NS. The Veteran paint scheme on the SD60E could be the first to be offered. Larry
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Post by calzephyr on Nov 16, 2015 6:43:45 GMT -8
Scale Trains seems to be setting a new standard in the industry. Affordable model Trains with Quality!!! The video actually show the model being tested!
The donation of $50 for each of the # 18 GETEL is a great way of paying back to IRM for their cooperation. I have stood there looking at #18 several times over the years, but never once thought it would be used as a pattern for the new HO model. Larry
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Post by atsfan on Nov 16, 2015 6:45:08 GMT -8
Keep in mind we dont know their dealer discount policies. Depending on that it could influence list pricing.
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Post by calzephyr on Nov 16, 2015 6:56:34 GMT -8
Keep in mind we dont know their dealer discount policies. Depending on that it could influence list pricing. \ True, the discount to dealers could be a reduced amount compared to other importers. I have already contacted a dealer to get a price and reservation for # 18. I don't expect the price to much lower than the list, but the list price is very low if you consider the alternative is a brass model costing three times a much. I have always used my Overland GETEL's as display models since they do not have sound. This one will be used if it runs well. Larry
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Post by stevef45 on Nov 16, 2015 22:56:01 GMT -8
Okay... That makes more sense now and would be PR trip... However ScaleTrains has said that (1) NS has helped them on "several" upcoming locomotive and freight car projects, and (2) that they had other items that they had hoped to announce that are being delayed because they didn't have example to show at Trainfest... So you know what was announced yesterday is not all that they have up their sleeves, and I'm betting the NS SD60E is among them (to be their first "modern" locomotive). Besides... They have to have something else to announce at Big E show in January, and Indianapolis NMRA in July. By the way, the UP turbines are supposedly due in April 2016 - after the boxcars and tank cars... PS. As for the ScaleTrains pricing... I expect they have a lot less in overhead costs being in TN vs a company in SoCal or NJ. Plus the multiple detail levels and branch projects (such as the water bottles branch off the turbine project) will increase overall project sales and also help keep pricing lower. Knowing the assistance statement from NS makes me think the SD60E and other variations of the NS rebuilding will show up in the next few months. They have the ECO Geep also that is unique to the NS. That cab is a one of a kind designed by the NS. The Veteran paint scheme on the SD60E could be the first to be offered. Larry I look forward to seeing them release the SD60E if that's what indeed it is. Kinda sucks as im going to be building one soon, but it wont stop me. But it will hopefully put a stop to anyone trying to buy the piece of crap from big dawg originals who is passing off a SD60E shell as his own. omg its so bad.
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Post by Judge Doom on Nov 17, 2015 8:43:04 GMT -8
Knowing the assistance statement from NS makes me think the SD60E and other variations of the NS rebuilding will show up in the next few months. They have the ECO Geep also that is unique to the NS. That cab is a one of a kind designed by the NS. The Veteran paint scheme on the SD60E could be the first to be offered. Larry I look forward to seeing them release the SD60E if that's what indeed it is. Kinda sucks as im going to be building one soon, but it wont stop me. But it will hopefully put a stop to anyone trying to buy the piece of crap from big dawg originals who is passing off a SD60E shell as his own. omg its so bad. Apparently he allegedly bought someone's own 3D-designed cab off Shapeways, modified it, and grafted it to an Athearn SD60 shell to copy in resin. There was a whole discussion about this on an NS group with the person who designed the 3D one. And let's not start on how dimensionally fudged his MK5000/MK50-3 cab is...
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Post by enginseer on Nov 17, 2015 8:50:06 GMT -8
Well, I was really off target with my guess supposing they'd make the latest GE offering.
As a modern guy, my personal preference MAY have colored my choice.
The photos look great and I hope they do well with this locomotive.
I will be very interested to see what they produce in the future.
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Post by calzephyr on Nov 17, 2015 9:00:14 GMT -8
Looking at all of ScaleTrains announcements, their prices are quite good for today's market. I do question whether these prices are an attempt to simply move a high volume of product since they are a new company, or if this is the plan for things to come. I certainly hope it is the plan for the future, since nothing announced really fits my needs. I am thrilled to see the variety, and from the photos Ive seen the quality looks pretty good. Looking forward to see what's next. I believe that the new Turbine is priced low to make sure it sells out. That is OK with me. It is their first release and it needs to sell out. I have owned and still have more than one Overland GETEL's in both HO and O scale, but will purchase this one also. It should run very well and has sound for about 1/3 the price of older Overland models. It should lower the cost of the brass Overland models, but my brass models will continue to be a part of my brass collection. The pictures show this new model to be worthy of the label, Museum Quality and I want some of those in my collection. Larry
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Post by nsfantodd on Nov 17, 2015 11:58:46 GMT -8
Knowing the assistance statement from NS makes me think the SD60E and other variations of the NS rebuilding will show up in the next few months. They have the ECO Geep also that is unique to the NS. That cab is a one of a kind designed by the NS. The Veteran paint scheme on the SD60E could be the first to be offered. Larry I look forward to seeing them release the SD60E if that's what indeed it is. Kinda sucks as im going to be building one soon, but it wont stop me. But it will hopefully put a stop to anyone trying to buy the piece of crap from big dawg originals who is passing off a SD60E shell as his own. omg its so bad. Steve, I've been resisting the urge to build an SD60E, hoping that Athearn would do it... But I'll be just as happy if Scale Trains does it, maybe more so! Just the same, I look forward seeing your version. Todd
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Nov 17, 2015 17:48:28 GMT -8
Scale trains is delaying order window until Friday
From their Facebook page
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Post by curtmc on Nov 17, 2015 18:23:46 GMT -8
Tonight I put 8 items in my cart and went all the way through to the checkout... Filled in shipping info... Filled in payment info... Only on final step (clicking on the complete order button) to get error message on credit card because the site wasn't accepting valid credit cards (because it was in some type of test mode). Repeated 5 more times (thought I might be too early or there was a connection issue) - same error. Unfortunately there was absolutely nothing on main web site itself about delay of preordering to Friday - only a link to their FB page where at 7:45 PM it still said at several locations they would accept preorders 11/17 at 8 PM EST.
Then at 8:20 PM I saw the posting made on Trainorders at 8:13 about the delay to Friday night...
I hope not too many others had that issue. And I hope those that did aren't going to walk away because of it. The only potential issue I noticed in filling the shopping cart was that the quantity discount wasn't showing on the tank cars at 6 cars.
Still, I'll try again on Friday night because I think the ScaleTrains products will be worth it... (and the bit of frustration tonight)
By the way, it appears the UP Turbines will not be available in all numbers in all levels... #1, #5, #7 and #14 are shown available in Rivet Counter level with and without DCC/sound #18, #26, #27 and #30 only currently shown in product listing in Museum Quality level
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Nov 17, 2015 19:26:57 GMT -8
~8:00 I was not able to get past creating an account. Tinkered around the site a bit then clicked the Facebook link and saw the posting. #7 is one of those I was hoping for and the Rivet Counter level is my intent.
Waited this long what's a couple more days for them to get it all right. Tuesday night seemed a bit ambitious with them being in Milwaukee all weekend.
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Post by stevef45 on Nov 18, 2015 3:14:50 GMT -8
I look forward to seeing them release the SD60E if that's what indeed it is. Kinda sucks as im going to be building one soon, but it wont stop me. But it will hopefully put a stop to anyone trying to buy the piece of crap from big dawg originals who is passing off a SD60E shell as his own. omg its so bad. Steve, I've been resisting the urge to build an SD60E, hoping that Athearn would do it... But I'll be just as happy if Scale Trains does it, maybe more so! Just the same, I look forward seeing your version. Todd Thanks. Just gotta get the motivation back to start building again. Haven't touched anything in months.
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Post by stevef45 on Nov 18, 2015 3:16:40 GMT -8
I look forward to seeing them release the SD60E if that's what indeed it is. Kinda sucks as im going to be building one soon, but it wont stop me. But it will hopefully put a stop to anyone trying to buy the piece of crap from big dawg originals who is passing off a SD60E shell as his own. omg its so bad. Apparently he allegedly bought someone's own 3D-designed cab off Shapeways, modified it, and grafted it to an Athearn SD60 shell to copy in resin. There was a whole discussion about this on an NS group with the person who designed the 3D one. And let's not start on how dimensionally fudged his MK5000/MK50-3 cab is... SMDH, i was looking at the shell on his fb page and amazed at how bad it was cast. To sit there and take pics and post them online and boast about it was unreal. Also the E8 he's now working on, he is copying how a member on here did the nose conversion. I can't remember the guys name who seamlessly grafted on a another full nose from an E8 to another E8.
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Post by jaygee on Nov 18, 2015 5:29:57 GMT -8
So....do we get to wait 'til Fri. for the product list to appear or ? I can't find any official list of info anywhere on the Turbines on their website or facebook.
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Post by calzephyr on Nov 19, 2015 7:03:51 GMT -8
So....do we get to wait 'til Fri. for the product list to appear or ? I can't find any official list of info anywhere on the Turbines on their website or facebook. They received so many requests that Scale Trains is now setting up the order form that will be available this Friday, the 20th according to an email I received from them. My question now to Scale Trains is this a Direct Order model only??? They are already discounting the GETEL on their list by Direct Order and the price is reasonable. Does this mean they are not going to wholesale to dealers??? I hope Shane will address this issue.
Larry
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Post by jonklein611 on Nov 19, 2015 7:06:32 GMT -8
So....do we get to wait 'til Fri. for the product list to appear or ? I can't find any official list of info anywhere on the Turbines on their website or facebook. They received so many requests that Scale Trains is now setting up the order form that will be available this Friday, the 20th according to an email I received from them. My question now to Scale Trains is this a Direct Order model only??? They are already discounting the GETEL on their list by Direct Order and the price is reasonable. Does this mean they are not going to wholesale to dealers??? I hope Shane will address this issue.
Larry From the other Scale Trains Thread: "The ScaleTrains.com crew is excited to share we've found a work-around which allows us accept preorders without requiring payment at checkout. We'll be ready to accept preorders Friday evening at 8pm EST. If you're unable to place an order on Friday, there's no need to worry. Based on our previous industry experience, we feel we have a healthy quantity of models on order with the factory. If we're blessed and preorders exceed our expectations, we will make sure all orders placed by Sunday, December 6th are filled completely. Also, we have set aside a quantity of models for select retailers. Within the next few days, we will be reaching-out to these retailers with information about our company and ordering details. Thanks for your patience and understanding as we experience a few growing pains. The ScaleTrains.com Crew" Read more: atlasrescueforum.proboards.com/thread/4220/scaletrains-order-site-delayed#ixzz3rwyaGE4D
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Post by jaygee on Nov 20, 2015 17:25:39 GMT -8
Bingo ! As of 20:14 my order was accepted...for the Tender two pak, and a Dirty Thirty Turbine. I also placed a big order at the LHS for another Tender set, and more Turbines. The fix is IN !The LHS is stocking the freight cars, so I can get some of those awesome tankers too. Woooooo-eeeeee !
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