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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2015 7:17:11 GMT -8
Erm, something like that.  Merry Christmas everyone! (I'm still waiting for my hobby store to get my F40PH in... grrr) |
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Post by notabob on Dec 25, 2015 7:23:09 GMT -8
Just saw the newsletter meself... Happy Festivus to us! I can finally complete my Downeaster!
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Post by riogrande on Dec 25, 2015 7:52:40 GMT -8
So a reefer coming from Rapido? Sort of like Canada's version of the PFE reefer? Ice or mechanical?
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Post by routerock on Dec 25, 2015 8:02:18 GMT -8
Lettuce all rejoice and order plenty.
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Post by notabob on Dec 25, 2015 8:05:10 GMT -8
So a reefer coming from Rapido? Sort of like Canada's version of the PFE reefer? Ice or mechanical? Not quite. Amtrak cab-baggage "cabbage" car. An F40PH with the prime mover removed and converted to baggage duties, but still retaining a functioning cab. Used for pull/push trains. |
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Post by riogrande on Dec 25, 2015 8:07:34 GMT -8
Oh, I thought that was lettuce not cabbage. I sure hope that doesn't mean Rapido is going to bump my favorite phase II body F40PH's in favor of cabbage cars - yes, I know about them - way waaaayyyy past my dates of interest. *sigh* Story of my life.
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Post by GP40P-2 on Dec 25, 2015 8:12:26 GMT -8
In the modern politically correct healthy food world, that would be "kale."
I'll wait for the "Cabacon" car!
Jim
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Post by notabob on Dec 25, 2015 8:26:37 GMT -8
A definitive cabbage is going to be great. But while we're talking pleasant surprises - I wonder if commuter F40s (MBTA in particular) will be part of the announcement as well, especially with it coming in Springfield.
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Post by riogrande on Dec 25, 2015 8:30:31 GMT -8
Jason did say earlier this year if the Amtrak F40PH's were successful the latter phase versions would likely be done but I guess we'll have to be patient with cabbages bumping them to a later date.
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Post by jonklein611 on Dec 25, 2015 8:45:07 GMT -8
Did the cabbages have ditch lights? He might be combining the later phases with the cabbages (since they share some body details). Let's hope so! I need my ARR and Renaissance Locos. Why is my wallet on fire?
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Post by atsfan on Dec 25, 2015 9:21:10 GMT -8
You won't have to worry about how well it runs or pulls.
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Post by roadkill on Dec 25, 2015 9:50:28 GMT -8
You won't have to worry about how well it runs or pulls. Or sounds  ! |
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Post by thb401 on Dec 25, 2015 9:52:10 GMT -8
Green and white.
Can GO Transit F40s be far behind?
Bill
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Post by notabob on Dec 25, 2015 9:53:49 GMT -8
You won't have to worry about how well it runs or pulls. Or sounds ! But it WILL have sounds. Or should, anyway. Cabbages have horns & bells. I'm sure Rapido will make sure that those are present. And ditchlights should be there too, as cabbages were/are equipped. Just hope they do the later phase paint jobs. |
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Post by Judge Doom on Dec 25, 2015 10:42:04 GMT -8
Most of those cabbages were converted from early phase units, so it'd be right up Rapido's alley to do them with new/modified shell tooling on the current F40PH chassis.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 25, 2015 11:26:01 GMT -8
Will folks be sad if the Cabbages are authentically unpowered?
Ed
Who, thankfully, does not have to deal with the problem. They are "cute", though!!
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Post by mlehman on Dec 25, 2015 11:46:37 GMT -8
In the modern politically correct healthy food world, that would be "kale." I'll wait for the "Cabacon" car! Jim Naw, I know kale (yecch!  ) and that ain't no kale...thank goodness. Cabbage is at least edible, mostly. Gimme some sauerkraut and I'm a happy camper. Maybe Rapido should do powered cabbages? Someone with long trains and/or steep grades could use the extra oomph. Could call it the "sauerkraut" model because it's been fermented for extra power...? I'd imagine that the cabbages will feature an operating baggage door, so that probably puts the kibosh on the idea of a powered cabbage unless Rapido is going to go all Kato on things with an underfloor drive? Not gonna happen. |
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Post by notabob on Dec 25, 2015 11:59:13 GMT -8
I'd imagine that the cabbages will feature an operating baggage door, so that probably puts the kibosh on the idea of a powered cabbage unless Rapido is going to go all Kato on things with an underfloor drive? Not gonna happen. Actually, Rapido did develop an "underfloor" drive for the RDCs, so it's possible. No idea if they're planning on using those for the cabbage or not (my bet is "no"). The motors in the RDCs are supposed to only be powerful enough for the RDC itself. |
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Post by rapidotrains on Dec 25, 2015 12:45:24 GMT -8
Hi guys,
Remember: Rapido doesn't make dummies. We learned that the hard way.
Any end-of-train produce we produce would be powered.
1. As Mike rightly pointed out, you need the extra power for your Amsleds.
2. If a vegetable looks like a locomotive in every way, shape and form, then it costs us as much to make as a locomotive. Taking the motor out reduces our cost by $6. So you could have an unpowered cabbage for about $10 less (retail) than a powered one. If you want it unpowered, pull out the motor and sell it on eBay. We make really good motors.
We don't yet have a leafy green build cost yet, but I am confident it will be less expensive than the recent F40 release. Vegetables don't have as many roof details as F40s.
-Jason
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Post by notabob on Dec 25, 2015 13:03:51 GMT -8
Hi guys, Remember: Rapido doesn't make dummies. We learned that the hard way. Any end-of-train produce we produce would be powered. 1. As Mike rightly pointed out, you need the extra power for your Amsleds. 2. If a vegetable looks like a locomotive in every way, shape and form, then it costs us as much to make as a locomotive. Taking the motor out reduces our cost by $6. So you could have an unpowered cabbage for about $10 less (retail) than a powered one. If you want it unpowered, pull out the motor and sell it on eBay. We make really good motors. We don't yet have a leafy green build cost yet, but I am confident it will be less expensive than the recent F40 release. Vegetables don't have as many roof details as F40s. -Jason Jason - that's great to hear! I've heard your reasoning behind the "no dummies" policy in the past (and find that makes perfect sense), but wasn't sure if you were going to make an exception in the name of prototypical accuracy for the cabbages  I take it "de-motorization" will be done via a custom loksound file instead, then? |
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Post by Tom on Jan 12, 2016 11:12:34 GMT -8
Far from a vegetable...but to be 'produced':  From the Rapido Facebook page. Also, NPCU's were built with ditchlights. -Tom |
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Post by riogrande on Jan 12, 2016 12:32:55 GMT -8
So did all the Cabbage F40's have the rear mounted tank? I would have though most of them would have come from F40PH's above the 227 engine numbers - which means we need some of those soon. Hint hint!
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Post by notabob on Jan 12, 2016 12:52:29 GMT -8
So did all the Cabbage F40's have the rear mounted tank? I would have though most of them would have come from F40PH's above the 227 engine numbers - which means we need some of those soon. Hint hint! The above is not a cabbage. It's the VIA F40PH rebuild which included installation of a separate HEP motor in the back, eliminating the need to run the prime mover at high RPM all the time. |
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Post by Tom on Jan 12, 2016 13:36:52 GMT -8
So did all the Cabbage F40's have the rear mounted tank? I would have though most of them would have come from F40PH's above the 227 engine numbers - which means we need some of those soon. Hint hint! 200-229 were the phase I units with 1500 gallon tanks (before they were enlarged). As for the rear tanks on NPCU's, not all, just the majority: 90200 90208 90213 - 90215 90218 - 90225 (90225 is painted for Amtrak California) 90229 |
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Post by riogrande on Jan 12, 2016 15:02:28 GMT -8
notabob - oh! Here I thought cabbages were the F40PH's that had the prime movers removed and a baggage compartment installed in place - and were used as a cab control car! Oops!
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Post by emd16645 on Jan 12, 2016 16:10:31 GMT -8
notabob - oh! Here I thought cabbages were the F40PH's that had the prime movers removed and a baggage compartment installed in place - and were used as a cab control car! Oops! You thought correctly. As far as I know, Amtrak added the "90" digits ahead of the old number, so 90214 is ex 214. |
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Post by rapidotrains on Jan 12, 2016 18:47:05 GMT -8
notabob - oh! Here I thought cabbages were the F40PH's that had the prime movers removed and a baggage compartment installed in place - and were used as a cab control car! Oops! You're not wrong at all. Rapido is just confusing everyone by working on more than one F40 variation at the same time... -Jason |
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Jan 12, 2016 19:36:32 GMT -8
Did the cabbages have ditch lights? Yes they had ditch lights.  Good shot of side cabbage compartment door.  |
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Jan 12, 2016 19:39:55 GMT -8
Police tape around where the train that had just left the Albion, MI depot stop hit a car at very low speed. April 2005 Minor injury to elderly female driver.  |
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Post by riogrande on Jan 13, 2016 2:35:49 GMT -8
notabob - oh! Here I thought cabbages were the F40PH's that had the prime movers removed and a baggage compartment installed in place - and were used as a cab control car! Oops! You're not wrong at all. Rapido is just confusing everyone by working on more than one F40 variation at the same time... -Jason Jason, you mentioned if the first Amtrak F40PH's were a success, you've look at doing the later number Amtrak F40PH's, yes? |
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