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Post by riogrande on Mar 20, 2018 12:15:57 GMT -8
Bobby's version of the AHM is a work of art.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 12:23:44 GMT -8
Bobby's version of the AHM is a work of art. It is indeed...but let's try to keep this thread about new Conrail open hoppers and the like!!
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Post by tankcarsrule on Mar 20, 2018 12:39:45 GMT -8
Hold on there Thomas, the second post in this thread was about Flexi-Flo hoppers. Go back and check for yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 12:57:30 GMT -8
Hold on there Thomas, the second post in this thread was about Flexi-Flo hoppers. Go back and check for yourself. Yes...that's why I added "and the like". I should also qualify it as new model requests for Conrail open hoppers and the like!
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 20, 2018 13:39:00 GMT -8
I've been selling the newest run kits of the Bowser car for $16 or so with metal wheels.
That's more or less in line with other kits, in fact the wheels are a bargain.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 14:25:26 GMT -8
The "Bowser" car I am talking about is the old Stewart Hobbies Car...12 panel and 14 panel 70 ton hopper...FYI. NOT the 100 ton H-43 car. That car could use a sprucing up, too...but every time I approach Bowser...they have told me to pound sand.
So, I don't approach them anymore about it. I would hope to see another manufacturer that would raise the bar and show the H39; H39A; HE7A, and their brethren justice. There is just too much work that has to be done on these cars to get the "straightened out".
The H-43 Bowser 100 ton 3 bay can be upgraded by the modeler, and I may go that route and just add PC cars into the mix...
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Post by riogrande on Mar 20, 2018 18:13:57 GMT -8
I've got got a few of the old Stewart 12 and 14 panel. Ok but not up to recent standards. I picked up 10 of the Bowser rtr up 3 bays 5 years ago for ~$10 ea
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 20, 2018 20:17:18 GMT -8
yes, the 70 ton car they ran some new kits off a few months ago and I picked up a few. $17.95 list and I had $16 on them. Accurail kits with even older tooling and no metal wheels are in the same range now.
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Post by nstophat on Mar 21, 2018 5:42:44 GMT -8
How about a more modern car, like the H2 hopper? They've never been done in any scale to my knowledge. NS still has some out there. I can remember in the late 90's seeing solid trains of them when they were brand new. They could be done with CR and NYC reporting marks. Kind of an oddball since they are quad hoppers but I think some late era CR guys might like having them? The Exactrail Bethlehem 3737 cf quads are extremely close to the CR H2/2B/2C classes of cars. Though not a perfectly exact match, the car would be an ideal stand in. There would be at least 6 if not 9 schemes that could be done, as all three of the original CR schemes were different. Then add in that they were patched NYC for CSX, that gives you 6 schemes and I believe that at least some of the fleet was re-pained into CSX black and yellow with NYC reporting marks, would yield a total of 9 schemes. The Exactrail car will not work, out of the box, for the NS H62R class, as the H62R's have two more ribs. Russ
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Post by riogrande on Mar 21, 2018 6:26:05 GMT -8
I do have a hard time paying $16-18 for old tooling coal cars. If I can find the RTR version at a bargain basement price then I might buy. If I can find kits for low and add wheels and KD's it might be worth it. Otherwise not so much.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2018 6:38:40 GMT -8
yes, the 70 ton car they ran some new kits off a few months ago and I picked up a few. $17.95 list and I had $16 on them. Accurail kits with even older tooling and no metal wheels are in the same range now. Which Accurail kits? The Accurail 3 bay offset side hopper (7500 series) has much better tooling than the old Stewart hobbies cars...the two aren't even close. They include much nicer and finer steps and end bracing; brake gear piping; slope sheet bracing; etc., Let's don't confuse the subject here. The Stewart cars I am talking about are the ones currently being offered for pre order at $25 each; these are basically the same car that Stewart produced YEARS ago that could be bought at swap meets for $5 each; They are certainly not worth $25; These include the 12, 13, and 14 panel; 70 ton 3 bay hoppers. With/without peaked ends.
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Post by Tom on Mar 21, 2018 7:14:41 GMT -8
The PD-3500 has two variants, which are both correct for NYC, PC, CR, and MDT.
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Post by milner1 on Mar 21, 2018 19:10:29 GMT -8
The H39 is not correct for Erie Lackawanna. The slope sheets are different.The EL cars were Greenville cars with lowered brake stands That said I do have several for stand ins. The NYC/AAR hoppers are close to the earlier 14 panel cars but the 12 panels are a stand in at best.I would love to see a correct model of the 1974 built EL hoppers. Dan
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 21, 2018 23:30:11 GMT -8
yes, the 70 ton car they ran some new kits off a few months ago and I picked up a few. $17.95 list and I had $16 on them. Accurail kits with even older tooling and no metal wheels are in the same range now. Which Accurail kits? The Accurail 3 bay offset side hopper (7500 series) has much better tooling than the old Stewart hobbies cars...the two aren't even close. They include much nicer and finer steps and end bracing; brake gear piping; slope sheet bracing; etc., Let's don't confuse the subject here. The Stewart cars I am talking about are the ones currently being offered for pre order at $25 each; these are basically the same car that Stewart produced YEARS ago that could be bought at swap meets for $5 each; They are certainly not worth $25; These include the 12, 13, and 14 panel; 70 ton 3 bay hoppers. With/without peaked ends. I guess if you can't even tell the difference in retail prices on RTR and kit cars, you'd be confused here. I have in my inventory BRAND NEW Bowser runs of the Stewart hopper cars AS KITS with metal wheels and they retail for $17.95. I got them the end of November last year. They even have a fancy new box with a cardboard topper with window rather than the old box with clear top cover. What rhyme or reason Bowser chooses to run kits, I don't know. I also have in my inventory brand new Accurail kits and many of them are also retailing at $17.98, some higher, a few lower. The 3-bay hopper, the 40' plug door box car, $17.98. The 50' DD box car, $16.98. I'd have to go back more than a year to find an invoice with a 40' box car on it but I don't think any are below $15.98. The Bowser including metal wheels and Kadee couplers make them a better value. As for RTR, Accurail doesn't even offer assembled cars right now; Bowser's $23.95-$25.95 for the older ones will street price at around $18-$21 and the few dollars difference for your time to build it doesn't seem that crazy. As to used at swap meets, I can get $10 on those old cars no problem on the rare occasion I can find any to sell. $5 and under gets you the Tyco, AHM and Bachmann ones.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 6:04:24 GMT -8
If a newer, better model doesn’t come about (but I think it will, hint) I will eventually succom to buying some Stewart kits from Bowser. Undecs, perhaps.
I’d probably make most of my cars the H-43 100 Ton cars. I have about 230 ExactRail 3737/3716 quads...so price isn’t the issue...I’ll pay for quality models.
It’s just ludicrous to see the old Stewart hoppers priced within $10-15 dollars of a superb model, imho.
It’s time for a nicer model of a common eastern prototype open 70 ton Hopper.
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