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Post by SD90 on Sept 20, 2017 15:01:04 GMT -8
Does anyone make a detailed caboose in Union Pacific?
I can only find Athearn Roundhouse, which are ok, just looking for a bit more detail.
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Sept 20, 2017 15:23:38 GMT -8
Centralia Car Shops found on the Intermountain website makes UP caboose.
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Post by theengineshed on Sept 20, 2017 15:24:02 GMT -8
Try searching for Centralia Car Shops, they are an Intermountain line, they have produced some very nice UP CA-3 cabs.
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Post by The Ferro Kid on Sept 20, 2017 15:31:47 GMT -8
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Post by stevewagner on Sept 20, 2017 15:43:50 GMT -8
Many, though not all, of the cabeese Walthers has done in recent decades are quite accurate. I believe that's true for, among others, their models of wood caboose types pretty much peculiar to the UP/SP, CB&Q, PRR, DMIR and some others. Also the shorter (in length) Milwaukee Road steel rib-sided bay window ones. Revell did a much less finely detailed version of the typical UP and SP long wood caboose back around 1957-1959. I think Trix may also have done a UP steel caboose, probably the same type as the one Centralia Car Shops has made.
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Post by GP40P-2 on Sept 20, 2017 16:02:05 GMT -8
Bluford did the Mopac SBW in several Union Pacific versions, if you are looking for post 1982.
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Post by riogrande on Sept 20, 2017 17:39:31 GMT -8
The Centralia UP CA-3 is pretty nice. I have one and like it. It has the safety slogan on the side.
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Post by fr8kar on Sept 20, 2017 20:01:35 GMT -8
I'll pile on and give the Centralia Car Shops caboose its due. It looks good out of the box, but a little upgrading goes a long way. It is correct for the CA-3 class, but with some kitbashing I believe it would be possible to convert it to any of the later CA-4 through CA-10 class cabooses.
If you don't mind the roof being the wrong type (the model has the X-panel roof, the prototype has the diagonal panel roof), Walthers makes a bay window caboose that is generally correct for Rock Island cabooses that became UP's CA-13 class. I'd be surprised if it was never offered in UP paint.
Rail Yard Models offered and currently Bluford Shops offers excellent models of the Missouri Pacific short bay window. They may look like transfer cabooses because they are short, but they were road cabooses. You could easily use these cabooses in MP red on your trains just as the prototype did.
The MP short bay window caboose was the inspiration for UP's CA-11/CA-11M class cabooses. The CA-11/CA-11M have been offered in brass, but not in plastic that I'm aware of. I wonder if a new body could be adapted to the Bluford chassis? If so I sure hope Bluford Shops considers making them.
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Post by lvrr325 on Sept 21, 2017 1:48:56 GMT -8
Wasn't there a revived Trix HO UP caboose that was pretty accurate?
I had one but it was several years ago, and it only sticks out because some clown at a show picked it up and walked off with it, then came back and tried to buy it. I refused to sell it to him but I probably should have charged him $20 given he'd swapped out the wheels someplace, and I didn't notice until later.
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Post by riogrande on Sept 21, 2017 3:56:22 GMT -8
I'll pile on and give the Centralia Car Shops caboose its due. It looks good out of the box, but a little upgrading goes a long way. It is correct for the CA-3 class, but with some kitbashing I believe it would be possible to convert it to any of the later CA... So speaking of that, what would it take to upgrade a Centralia UP CA-3 type caboose to a CA-5 type? I am interested because I want to model a Utah Rwy coal train and need a caboose for the late 1970's period. IIRC, they bought a couple of UP CA 5 type cabooses and repainted them in the Utah Rwy livery. The main thing I understand differing between the 3/4 and 5/6 class UP cabooses is the roof. The 5/6 class has a diagonal panel roof. What is available to make that conversion and is there anything else of note? |
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Post by roadkill on Sept 21, 2017 5:21:44 GMT -8
I'll pile on and give the Centralia Car Shops caboose its due. It looks good out of the box, but a little upgrading goes a long way. It is correct for the CA-3 class, but with some kitbashing I believe it would be possible to convert it to any of the later CA-4 through CA-10 class cabooses. If you don't mind the roof being the wrong type (the model has the X-panel roof, the prototype has the diagonal panel roof), Walthers makes a bay window caboose that is generally correct for Rock Island cabooses that became UP's CA-13 class. I'd be surprised if it was never offered in UP paint. Rail Yard Models offered and currently Bluford Shops offers excellent models of the Missouri Pacific short bay window. They may look like transfer cabooses because they are short, but they were road cabooses. You could easily use these cabooses in MP red on your trains just as the prototype did. The MP short bay window caboose was the inspiration for UP's CA-11/CA-11M class cabooses. The CA-11/CA-11M have been offered in brass, but not in plastic that I'm aware of. I wonder if a new body could be adapted to the Bluford chassis? If so I sure hope Bluford Shops considers making them. If one doesn't mind starting with a decorated Walthers bay window cab the C&NW model has a diagonal panel roof, I bought one to strip and convert into a B&O I-18 caboose. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 6:43:17 GMT -8
There is a market opening in Ho for an International Car Company Caboose series. The Extended Vision cars have not been done CORRECTLY in HO. Yes, Atlas has a nice HO scale EV caboose from International Car, but it's based on a Reading Prototype. One-size-fits-all approach with all the subsequent paint schemes they have done on it.
OMI announced an EV series YEARS AGO...and have not seen the light of day. I think the EV cabooses would be a great modular-type design utilizing as many under frame parts as possible. Variations on the design; etc.,
The Bay Window cabooses offered by Walthers are nice starting points; but are only correct for a couple of cars. There is definitely a market opening for cabooses...with all the 1970's-1980's diesels out there now; rolling stock holes are starting to fill up; Quality cabooses are a necessity.
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Post by riogrande on Sept 21, 2017 6:48:38 GMT -8
I could use a correct D&RGW WV caboose. The Atlas is only a "place holder" until then, decent as they are, they still don't look right to me.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 21, 2017 7:26:53 GMT -8
Wasn't there a revived Trix HO UP caboose that was pretty accurate? I've got several of the Trix cabeese (CA-3 and CA-4), and like them a lot. And they are indeed pretty accurate. The first "version" came without the stamped/impressed roof panels:  They were later re-issued with them included:  They come with a goofy coupler setup. I started working on one quite awhile ago, and it's sitting on my bench. The "goofy coupler setup" is gone, so I expect my plan was to add body-mount. It comes with classic UP wood-beam caboose trucks (correct for the model). I plan on relettering one in a later scheme, and have come up with more recent trucks for that one. Ed |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Sept 21, 2017 7:51:19 GMT -8
Do the Trix and Märklin versions have the same coupler setup? I know they have different axles.
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Post by grahamline on Sept 21, 2017 11:31:54 GMT -8
The axles are the only difference between the Trix and Marklin versions -- one for DC (Trix) and the other for 3-rail AC. Replacement DC axles are Reboxx 33-1 0.965 33" semi-scale wheelsets. Most HO replacements have too wide of an axle. Kadee #18 NEM replacement couplers push right into the Trix/Marklin pocket without altering the factory set-up. It can look and act a little strange but they do work. Andy Sperandeo did an excellent article on improving the Trix/Marklin cars in the August 2005 Model Railroader. There is also a Steve Orth article that I can't locate at the moment. These cabooses show up at swap meets from time to time for $25-$40 and they're probably on the auction sites too. All that I've found are the first version flat roof cars. Using either the Trix-Marklin or CCS cabooses to represent the later CA series gets you into work like altering the end ladders and removing rivets. Brass CA cabooses can be found for around $100 with a little bit of searching. Don Strack wrote the book on the UP CA series. utahrails.net/caboose/caboose-index.php |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Sept 21, 2017 11:52:25 GMT -8
Centralia/Intermountain UP CA-3  |
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Post by roadkill on Sept 22, 2017 6:56:48 GMT -8
There is a market opening in Ho for an International Car Company Caboose series. The Extended Vision cars have not been done CORRECTLY in HO. Yes, Atlas has a nice HO scale EV caboose from International Car, but it's based on a Reading Prototype. One-size-fits-all approach with all the subsequent paint schemes they have done on it. OMI announced an EV series YEARS AGO...and have not seen the light of day. I think the EV cabooses would be a great modular-type design utilizing as many under frame parts as possible. Variations on the design; etc., The Bay Window cabooses offered by Walthers are nice starting points; but are only correct for a couple of cars. There is definitely a market opening for cabooses...with all the 1970's-1980's diesels out there now; rolling stock holes are starting to fill up; Quality cabooses are a necessity. At least a few of those Overland EVs hit the market, I have one of the C&O variants. Too bad they screwed the pooch on the placement of the lavatory window  ... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 8:28:09 GMT -8
Yes...and with a brass caboose, there is no easy fix for that kind of error. It would be nice to see a modular International Car Co. Extended Vision and Bay Window caboose series from the 1970's...with CORRECT Details. |
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Post by SD90 on Sept 22, 2017 14:32:19 GMT -8
Centralia Car Shops found on the Intermountain website makes UP caboose. They look pretty good! Thanks everyone. |
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Post by jolietfan on Sept 24, 2017 18:13:52 GMT -8
Wasn't there a revived Trix HO UP caboose that was pretty accurate? I had one but it was several years ago, and it only sticks out because some clown at a show picked it up and walked off with it, then came back and tried to buy it. I refused to sell it to him but I probably should have charged him $20 given he'd swapped out the wheels someplace, and I didn't notice until later. This is a re-tooled roof version I did several years ago. I milled the floor for a centersill and detailed the brake gear.. I added the Details West coupler pockets and closed up the big holes with styrene. The trucks are the VERY RARE Details West brass caboose trucks ( only about 10 pairs ever made about 30 years ago.)I re-numbered the car and weathered it to match a photo of the same car assigned to the Camas Prairie in the mid 70's.   |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 6:27:59 GMT -8
Those Centralia Car shops cabooses are really nice. I should have bought a ton of them when Ron had them in his store as undecorated kits. My skills and workshop tools have greatly increased since then...and I would love to have a couple of UP cabooses to make some CA-9 cars. With the Archer scale details available now that would allow the modeler to shave and sand the sides of the Centralia Car shops model, you could then add the weld beads and make the CA-10 caboose.
I don't know if Intermountain has the Centralia cars available as undec kits anymore or not...but I'm going to check.
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Post by riogrande on Oct 1, 2018 8:01:57 GMT -8
I have one of the Centralia UP pictured here near the engine house:  Trix does have a strange draft gear box. I have 3 of the UP coal cars for my Utah coal train and the boxes seem low but I haven't checked the actual coupler height yet. |
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Post by roadkill on Oct 1, 2018 8:12:09 GMT -8
Wasn't there a revived Trix HO UP caboose that was pretty accurate? I had one but it was several years ago, and it only sticks out because some clown at a show picked it up and walked off with it, then came back and tried to buy it. I refused to sell it to him but I probably should have charged him $20 given he'd swapped out the wheels someplace, and I didn't notice until later. This is a re-tooled roof version I did several years ago. I milled the floor for a centersill and detailed the brake gear.. I added the Details West coupler pockets and closed up the big holes with styrene. The trucks are the VERY RARE Details West brass caboose trucks ( only about 10 pairs ever made about 30 years ago.)I re-numbered the car and weathered it to match a photo of the same car assigned to the Camas Prairie in the mid 70's. View AttachmentView AttachmentI'm doing similar mods to the underframe of a Trix PRR N5C, kind of a pain  . |
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Post by snootie3257 on Oct 1, 2018 8:13:37 GMT -8
Do the Trix and Märklin versions have the same coupler setup? I know they have different axles. I have both and they have the same coupler set up. Steve |
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Post by rapidotrains on Oct 4, 2018 13:46:11 GMT -8
Holy old thread, Batman!
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Post by middledivision on Oct 4, 2018 19:02:59 GMT -8
^^^
Time for some more CP and CN Vans!
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Post by riogrande on Oct 5, 2018 5:44:21 GMT -8
Speaking of UP cabooses, I sure would like to have a CA-5/6 caboose for Utah Rwy. Some day!
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