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Post by bnsf971 on Oct 7, 2012 4:12:39 GMT -8
Good morning, and happy Sunday. We're having a bit of weather here, after which the temperature is supposed to drive off a cliff.  Yesterday I picked up a NOS Genesis FP45, in red and silver warbonnet (HO scale). It was on sale, and was a model of one I had operated in 1:1 scale. I stuck a motor decoder in it, and ordered a sound decoder for later. I'm trying to decide if I should leave it completely stock, or change the lettering on the side to what the one I operated was, and add a rooftop a/c to it. Changing lettering will also necessitate renumbering. I have currently only replaced the McHenry couplers with Kadees. |
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Post by calzephyr on Oct 7, 2012 12:07:57 GMT -8
Good morning, and happy Sunday. We're having a bit of weather here, after which the temperature is supposed to drive off a cliff. Yesterday I picked up a NOS Genesis FP45, in red and silver warbonnet (HO scale). It was on sale, and was a model of one I had operated in 1:1 scale. I stuck a motor decoder in it, and ordered a sound decoder for later. I'm trying to decide if I should leave it completely stock, or change the lettering on the side to what the one I operated was, and add a rooftop a/c to it. Changing lettering will also necessitate renumbering. I have currently only replaced the McHenry couplers with Kadees. Terry When did you operate the FP45, in service as it was with the original lettering or the post 1990 era?? I have both in the Genesis FP45 since they have been available with the orginal lettering and numbering and then the latest large lettering and low numbers. Larry |
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Post by bnsf971 on Oct 7, 2012 13:08:37 GMT -8
Larry, i volunteered at the museum in Perris, CA. We had 98, or 108, or 5948, depending on your era. It was great, though a bit overpowered for just about anything we needed it for. I think it currently has a blown main generator, and hasn't run in about 3 years.
It was also one of the "rent-a-engine" units. You could go there, plunk down a hundred bucks, and run it for an hour(after a short tutorial).
Somewhere I have a photo I took while playing "hostler helper" when we were shuffling a string of locomotives. It isn't 98, but still a cool photo.
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Post by calzephyr on Oct 7, 2012 17:09:32 GMT -8
Larry, i volunteered at the museum in Perris, CA. We had 98, or 108, or 5948, depending on your era. It was great, though a bit overpowered for just about anything we needed it for. I think it currently has a blown main generator, and hasn't run in about 3 years. It was also one of the "rent-a-engine" units. You could go there, plunk down a hundred bucks, and run it for an hour(after a short tutorial). Somewhere I have a photo I took while playing "hostler helper" when we were shuffling a string of locomotives. It isn't 98, but still a cool photo. I had not heard that unit had a blown generator. I hope it gets repaired and can be used again. Thanks for the update. I ran the GP9E at Portola twice now and know how you feel to be running a locomotive for an hour or so! larry |
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Post by calzephyr on Oct 7, 2012 17:22:22 GMT -8
Larry, i volunteered at the museum in Perris, CA. We had 98, or 108, or 5948, depending on your era. It was great, though a bit overpowered for just about anything we needed it for. I think it currently has a blown main generator, and hasn't run in about 3 years. It was also one of the "rent-a-engine" units. You could go there, plunk down a hundred bucks, and run it for an hour(after a short tutorial). Somewhere I have a photo I took while playing "hostler helper" when we were shuffling a string of locomotives. It isn't 98, but still a cool photo. That unit would have been the 108 when new correct??? They started out as 100 - 108, then to 5940 - 5948 then to 5990 to 5998 and back to 100 to 108. I know they ended up as 90 to 98 but I noticed they got renumbered again to 5990 to 5998 between the last 100 series and the 90 series. These units should go renumbered a few times. If you like warbonnets, check out the web site below for my older pictures. The first two are new, but the rest were taken when the units were clean, red and silver. Larry s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa205/City_train_usa/Trains%20New%20Era/?albumview=slideshowLarry  |
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Post by rhpd42002 on Oct 8, 2012 15:31:03 GMT -8
Terry, do you want it to be a "replica" of the unit you operated or something to remind you of the unit? That would pretty much answer your question. I, one day, may find an SP, GP-9 in gray & scarlet and letter it for unit 3366. It was the 1st loco I ever got to operate, way back in 1980, just before I left Yuma, Az, headed for Okinawa, Japan. After that, it was a couple of switch engines, several years ago here in Rose Hill, NC in one of the feed mills' yard.  |
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Post by bnsf971 on Oct 8, 2012 15:40:13 GMT -8
Currently, 98 looks kind of beat, with the desert sun burning off the paint from any horizontal surface. It also had its roof air removed prior t donation, leaving only the mount on the roof.
I sent an email to one of the guys I worked with at the museum, to see if 98 has been repaired. Currently, it doesn't really say if it's working or not, just that it being held for special occasions. That may mean it's fixed, though whether the generator was able to be repaired, or had to be replaced, I'm not sure. It broke down about the time I left the area.
The model I got was one of two totaled in wrecks. It is a model of the one wrecked when it rear-ended a UP freight. The paint scheme and road numbers together mean it was the shortest-lived combination, from about 1971-1973.
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Post by rhpd42002 on Oct 8, 2012 15:57:07 GMT -8
Terry, It sounds as if you're going to have to do some work to the unit you've got!  If it was me, I'd want it to be in fairly decent shape so i'd remember it as a good looking/working loco. |
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Post by bnsf971 on Oct 10, 2012 3:43:00 GMT -8
Good morning. I hope you all realize I am talking about both the prototype (98) and the model I now have (5946, or 96). The model looks great, the real thing looks like it's been dragged through a cornfield on its roof. If I weather and modify the model I now have to reflect the prototype, it is in such bad shape, paint-wise, I might as well buy an undec model and start from scratch. I am thinking about adding a roof air, renumbering, and adding the big red "Santa Fe" letters to the sides, to replace the small black lettering.
Other than that, a presidential candidate added himself to my Facebook friends list, and began adding status posts on my wall. I unfriended him, since I wouldn't vote for him if I was paid to, removed his posts, and sent a complaint to Facebook.
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Post by calzephyr on Oct 10, 2012 8:04:34 GMT -8
Larry, i volunteered at the museum in Perris, CA. We had 98, or 108, or 5948, depending on your era. It was great, though a bit overpowered for just about anything we needed it for. I think it currently has a blown main generator, and hasn't run in about 3 years. It was also one of the "rent-a-engine" units. You could go there, plunk down a hundred bucks, and run it for an hour(after a short tutorial). Somewhere I have a photo I took while playing "hostler helper" when we were shuffling a string of locomotives. It isn't 98, but still a cool photo. Terry I went on the museum web site and looked at the 98 pictures. Very nice looking unit and it has the upper mars light again!! The warbonnet and 98 below is one of my pictures. Larry   |
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Post by bnsf971 on Oct 10, 2012 8:30:38 GMT -8
Larry, those are coolhotos, thanks for sharing them. I haven't heard back yet fromOERM, it may be this weekend. It would be nice to have ot operational and fully painted in red and silver again, it would look a lot. Etter. The museum is also home to the only operable, and operating, U25B. I stepped into the cab expecting to. See that big honkin' GE throttle lever, but the entire control stand has been replaced by a more modern one. They had repaintd it as well,so it looks pretty good. If you wipe the throttle crom idle to 8, it'll still smoke you put like an old GE... Larry, i volunteered at the museum in Perris, CA. We had 98, or 108, or 5948, depending on your era. It was great, though a bit overpowered for just about anything we needed it for. I think it currently has a blown main generator, and hasn't run in about 3 years. It was also one of the "rent-a-engine" units. You could go there, plunk down a hundred bucks, and run it for an hour(after a short tutorial). Somewhere I have a photo I took while playing "hostler helper" when we were shuffling a string of locomotives. It isn't 98, but still a cool photo. Terry I went on the museum web site and looked at the 98 pictures. Very nice looking unit and it has the upper mars light again!! The warbonnet and 98 below is one of my pictures. Larry |
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Post by calzephyr on Oct 10, 2012 17:37:15 GMT -8
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Post by bnsf971 on Oct 11, 2012 2:36:10 GMT -8
The 951 is a C41-8W. It has the larger radiator to support thehigher horsepower. It wasn't long after 951 was built that GE introduced the dash9.
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Post by calzephyr on Oct 11, 2012 5:56:26 GMT -8
The 951 is a C41-8W. It has the larger radiator to support thehigher horsepower. It wasn't long after 951 was built that GE introduced the dash9. Exactly right about the radiator and it seems to be the same size as the Dash nine as you said which came out right after that modification. I believe the Union Pacific also had some of the Dash eights that were software programmed to have the increased HP but they did not have the larger radiator. I enjoyed seeing some of the various changes in the production units. The Dash nine model had many changes in the production run. Larry |
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Post by bnsf971 on Oct 11, 2012 8:44:34 GMT -8
The 951 is a C41-8W. It has the larger radiator to support thehigher horsepower. It wasn't long after 951 was built that GE introduced the dash9. Exactly right about the radiator and it seems to be the same size as the Dash nine as you said which came out right after that modification. I believe the Union Pacific also had some of the Dash eights that were software programmed to have the increased HP but they did not have the larger radiator. I enjoyed seeing some of the various changes in the production units. The Dash nine model had many changes in the production run. Larry CSX's Dash 9's were built using Dash 8 carbodies and trucks. So, just to look at one, you would think it was a late production Dash 8. Both the builder's tags and the model stencil under the cab show them as Dash 9's, though. I remember Kato being criticized for releasing CSX engines in the later carbodies back when they did so in the mid 1990's. |
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Post by calzephyr on Oct 11, 2012 11:22:26 GMT -8
Exactly right about the radiator and it seems to be the same size as the Dash nine as you said which came out right after that modification. I believe the Union Pacific also had some of the Dash eights that were software programmed to have the increased HP but they did not have the larger radiator. I enjoyed seeing some of the various changes in the production units. The Dash nine model had many changes in the production run. Larry CSX's Dash 9's were built using Dash 8 carbodies and trucks. So, just to look at one, you would think it was a late production Dash 8. Both the builder's tags and the model stencil under the cab show them as Dash 9's, though. I remember Kato being criticized for releasing CSX engines in the later carbodies back when they did so in the mid 1990's. I forgot about those. Thanks for bring up that information. According to the article I have on the Dash 9 units, the first three CSX 9000 to 9002 were delivered to the CSX with the designated Dash 8-44CW in September of 1993. The CSX was happy with those and ordered 50 more looking just like the original Dash 8-CW44 units but the 50 additional units were labeled C44-9W by GE during the production run according to the article I have on these. It is interesting the article did state the CSX ordered the addition fifty units as Dash 8-44CW but GE labeled them as Dash 9's. They had the Dash 8 trucks on them and the larger radiator. Larry |
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Oct 11, 2012 22:54:58 GMT -8
Just Q-re-us- Does the term DASH on these diesels mean they move quickly?
Dash it James don't show your iggerance!
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Post by bnsf971 on Oct 12, 2012 3:38:09 GMT -8
Just Q-re-us- Does the term DASH on these diesels mean they move quickly? Dash it James don't show your iggerance! 67281. That was a marketing program started by GE about midway through Dash 8 production. Back in 1976, GE introduced the dash 7 line, and changed designations of its locomotives. Instead of U30C (universal series, 3000hp, CC trucks), they put the truck designation first, as in C30, and added a -7 at the end, to designate the new, improved locomotives. I guess that made them sound too much like EMDs -2 line, so instead of remaining with those designations, which would have had a C40-8W, everything was called a DASH. So, instead of having a C40-8W, we had a Dash 8-40CW. Or a DASH 8 DASH 40CW... The new, new units are called GEVO, which is a sort of clever way to let us know they are GE Evolution series. |
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Post by calzephyr on Oct 12, 2012 12:16:35 GMT -8
Just Q-re-us- Does the term DASH on these diesels mean they move quickly? Dash it James don't show your iggerance! 67281. That was a marketing program started by GE about midway through Dash 8 production. Back in 1976, GE introduced the dash 7 line, and changed designations of its locomotives. Instead of U30C (universal series, 3000hp, CC trucks), they put the truck designation first, as in C30, and added a -7 at the end, to designate the new, improved locomotives. I guess that made them sound too much like EMDs -2 line, so instead of remaining with those designations, which would have had a C40-8W, everything was called a DASH. So, instead of having a C40-8W, we had a Dash 8-40CW. Or a DASH 8 DASH 40CW... The new, new units are called GEVO, which is a sort of clever way to let us know they are GE Evolution series. That is a great point about the name of the GEVO. I hope the new EMD can remain in the game with some money invested by CAT. The Tier IV regulations might give a new type of 4 stroke motor for EMD?  ? Any thoughts on that? Larry |
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Post by bnsf971 on Oct 12, 2012 14:57:55 GMT -8
That was a marketing program started by GE about midway through Dash 8 production. Back in 1976, GE introduced the dash 7 line, and changed designations of its locomotives. Instead of U30C (universal series, 3000hp, CC trucks), they put the truck designation first, as in C30, and added a -7 at the end, to designate the new, improved locomotives. I guess that made them sound too much like EMDs -2 line, so instead of remaining with those designations, which would have had a C40-8W, everything was called a DASH. So, instead of having a C40-8W, we had a Dash 8-40CW. Or a DASH 8 DASH 40CW... The new, new units are called GEVO, which is a sort of clever way to let us know they are GE Evolution series. That is a great point about the name of the GEVO. I hope the new EMD can remain in the game with some money invested by CAT. The Tier IV regulations might give a new type of 4 stroke motor for EMD? ? Any thoughts on that? Larry While I like the two stroke engine, they are habitually dirty engines. I think the 4 stroke will be the wave of the future, though I think the 265-H may not be the engine to go there. There are some CAT engines that could pull it off, maybe that will be what keeps EMD in the game. |
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Post by rhpd42002 on Oct 12, 2012 16:56:57 GMT -8
Terry, I don't know what it's going to take to keep EMD in the game, but I sure hope they stay in the game and one day recapture the #1 spot once again. No fan of the GM, but EMD has always been a personal favorite. GE, not so much. I guess I should be thankful for all the HO scale, EMD locos that have been made and for those that I own.  |
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Post by fr8kar on Oct 12, 2012 19:57:30 GMT -8
I never cared much for GE until I started working for the railroad. Now I'll take anything from a Dash 9 to a GEVO over any SD60M, 70M, 70MAC, 70ACE or 9043MAC any day of the week. The cab layout is better, there's a much more efficient use of space and it's easier to get from one to the next on GEs. The ride isn't bad either. The real turning point was the Dash 9 series. Anything from before then was rough riding junk, even up to the B40-8.
Now, for switching or road switchers, I'll take SD40-2s anytime. They have no equal.
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Oct 13, 2012 2:20:49 GMT -8
Thanks Gentlemen for the explanation of the DASH.
I'll muse over these terms while I am "dashing away with the smoothing iron" modom is still bedded down have done her brekka and she is watching a cooking programme on the bedside TV
I think we have callers so after I have done the ironing I need to vacuum under the carpets and behind the wallpaper. (you know what ladies are like when someone is coming!) THEN I shall make a start using the caboose end rails which Atlas have kindly sent me for my AT&SF Drovers Coach/caboose. I saw on EBay a Precision Brass N.P. very long caboose and wondered if any of you peepel might know how long it is or where I could get a diagram? I'm still searching for Pullman style 8'wb passenger bogies(trucks) 0 scale. I suppose if all else fails I could look for a neglected 0 gauge ..Pullman coach and re use it's chassis.
nuf sed..............67281.
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Oct 13, 2012 2:43:58 GMT -8
Dirty 2 stokes (and noisy).
Our DELTICS 3,300hp Co Co max speed 105mph.
These E/E D/E locos had the diametrically opposed cylinder formation and the loco had two engine units and you could choose one engine or the other or both. There was an instruction when coming out of Edinburgh (Scotland) that you came away on one engine until out of the suburbs.
I have when on riding duties travelling from Doncaster to Newcastle had to ride in the engine room and slowly keep pumping the water top up pump to keep the low water contacts made so the engines would keep running. In those days we were not issued with ear muffs and I was deaf for a month afterwards!
I too preferred the conventional 4 stroke engine my favourite being the Hawker Syddeley -not sure on the spelling-2750hp Co Co. Our depot used them on loose coupled freight trains--only the engine brake the wagons not fitted with automatic brakes--35 to 45 mph max' speed--no wonder I have grey hair! and flat feet.
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Post by fr8kar on Oct 13, 2012 7:51:24 GMT -8
James Brodie,
We have a couple yard jobs that don't use air because the yard is flat enough the independent (engine) brake and 1 car of air per 1000 tons is enough. Riding a shove on one of those can be a real hair raising experience. Your arms might end up a few inches longer after the slack runs out.
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Post by jamesbrodie67281 on Oct 13, 2012 23:24:40 GMT -8
RCH-I know what you mean. I was brought up a loose coupled man and when a fireman the old drivers used to say "look after the guard (conductor) and the train will look after itself" With 30 on at 30t glw plus 29t for the guards van (caboose) you put a crack of steam on to open the couplings out one by one. I reckon there would be 4 inches of slack between each wagon so if you pulled away too quick the fella at the back got a 'yuck' of 4 inches times 30 in one go with a good chance of a snapped coupling. Our buckeye stock there was hardly any slogger as the gangway kept the coaches tight together so a little bit different to buckeyes with no gangways. We only had passenger stock with buckeyes. When the diesels first came the drivers on the loose coupled turns ran looking out the side window as on a steam engine and you braked by the seat of your pants. I digress sorry.
James 67281.
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Post by fr8kar on Oct 14, 2012 5:32:18 GMT -8
James, that sounds like some real railroading you have there! We have a variation of the saying you have: "shove like you have a rider" and your train will handle just fine.
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