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Post by gevohogger on Mar 5, 2018 8:29:58 GMT -8
Ha ha! I did some student trips on some old NS GE's that were about that bad... |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Mar 5, 2018 8:52:47 GMT -8
A conductor who is a member of our club, said these were the roughest riding engines he road on during his time with the B&O, Chessie and CSX, needed a seat belt to stay in the seat. Perhaps that explains BN ordering their similar units as B's. Ed |
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Post by catcliffedemon on Mar 5, 2018 9:02:42 GMT -8
Gareth, I am sure if you have noticed but this loco is getting a lot of attention. One detail I have yet to see on the Southern/NS units is the distinctive lift notches in the sill just behind the steps. A few pictures I looked over I don't see this detail on any other road. Southern had lift holes in the angle from the bottom of the steps to lower side sill with no lift tab on the pilot. Yes, we'll admit that we had to compromise here. There were only six Southern/NS units but I tried to make them as road specific as possible. The fuel tank, bell location, single noise baffles, high short hood, horns, cab configuration, wind deflectors, sunshades, firecrackers, walkway lights, knuckle boxes, pilot details (both ends) and probably a few other things I've forgotten are all unique to these locomotives. That said, if it sells amazingly well then I'll talk with Jason and see if we can justify a unique walkway! Regards -Rapido Gareth |
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Post by bnsf971 on Mar 5, 2018 9:10:34 GMT -8
That always annoys me. Every manufacturer's product posts seem to generate people saying "why don't you make this?" If they thought that was where the sales were thats what they would have made first. Enjoy what is being produced. That's not to say that wishlisting isn't good, just at the right time. A lot of the messages we get are along the lines of this: "I model January 1966. Your model paint scheme is from December 1965, with the numbers spaced out an extra 1/64th of an inch. My wallet is safe. But if you ever do that January 1966 version with the tighter numbers, I'll buy ten." I suspect if we visited that guy's layout room we would not find a single model train. Unfortunately, it's often impossible to know from an email or an online post who is actually a model railroader and who is just a model railroad talker. -Jason That's if the person even has a layout room... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 9:29:56 GMT -8
Yet another model that pulls passenger cars from Rapido-Passenger-Not-Freight. C'mon, can't you give us a freight-only engine one day?   |
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Post by ambluco on Mar 5, 2018 9:55:50 GMT -8
That's a B23-7. B23-7Yet another model that pulls passenger cars from Rapido-Passenger-Not-Freight. C'mon, can't you give us a freight-only engine one day? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 10:17:07 GMT -8
I'll have to troll harder! Does this one count? I mean, it used to be a B36-7... |
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Post by catcliffedemon on Mar 5, 2018 10:22:20 GMT -8
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Post by riogrande on Mar 5, 2018 11:45:49 GMT -8
That's if the person even has a layout room... Hah hah, I got the layout room, but a mile long honey-do list before it's getting a layout. Right now the cat is spending our money on vet bills. Hope springs eternal. |
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Post by oakway on Mar 5, 2018 11:54:06 GMT -8
Roadkill,
Many of us have been waiting for a "rapido" road specific U25b. The other just doesn't cut it anymore.
Gareth said it himself, the older GE models have long gotten the short end of the stick. I hope this is a new era in GE scale models.
I do hope that if Rapido wants to go all out on a specific GE model, that they would keep in touch with the folks at Scaletrains.
We don't need duplication of models, thus hurting sales for both companies that spent tons on research and tooling.
Shane and Paul would probably agree.
John
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Post by oakway on Mar 5, 2018 12:01:10 GMT -8
Never underestimate the people that don't have a layout room. They too have plenty of money to spend.
Dont know the statistics, but something tells me there are more people buying models without layouts, than with.
Everyone has money to spend, and Rapido wants to market products to them.
John
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Post by riogrande on Mar 5, 2018 13:06:16 GMT -8
And, people without a layout room are often building a fleet, spending money yes, and preparing for the day they have a layout room. Yes, that was me from about 1999 to about 2014 - separated and later divorced and living in tiny appartments - no place to do any wood working or really to even fit in a small 4x8 in those tiny apartments.
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Post by scaledriver on Mar 5, 2018 13:23:45 GMT -8
There reaches a point where waiting on the next better model means it will be a long wait. For a B36-7, it is highly unlikely another company will do another (better?) version in the next years. How long do people have to live and wait.
Of course if one is looking for a reason not to spend money, one can be found on every model.
It would be interesting to see some of the emails sent to Rapido.
Thank you
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Post by ddatrainman on Mar 5, 2018 16:54:18 GMT -8
Yet another model that pulls passenger cars from Rapido-Passenger-Not-Freight. C'mon, can't you give us a freight-only engine one day? Now that I see this do any Conrail heads know if the B36-7s operated on the East Hudson down to New York City on Conrail? I might get one these things look really cool . The attention to detail is amazing, I love my FL9 and site know I’d love this |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 17:25:27 GMT -8
I'm one of those people that doesn't have a home layout. Doubtful I ever will. I used to belong to a couple of clubs. But, I still buy anyways. I have the carpet central I can fire up when in the mood to do so. So, just because some people don't have a home layout, doesn't mean that they don't run stuff. Some do at clubs, while others collect.
Greg
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Post by carrman on Mar 5, 2018 19:30:23 GMT -8
Thanks Rapido Gareth, I have the three Southern's and one SP preordered. Was wondering also if the model will have walkway tread. Look forward to a series of GE's Gary Yes, for a first sample I was surprised that it had any rivet or walkway textures. The drop steps, which I didn't have time to install on the ATSF and SP examples before the Denver show, have tread but this hasn't been applied to the main walkway yet. This is usually the last thing we do when we've signed off on everything else. I agree I’m waiting and have been waiting for the mentioned and I need LMX units! I have OMI B30-7As but I’d buy a boatload in plastic!!! BN a little overlooked. Need Oakways need C30-7s. It's not much of a leap to the first batch of BN B units from where we are now, although some major tweaks are required. My inbox is overflowing with people pleading for the six axle Dash 7s as well and for sure there is a huge amount of overlap between many of the parts on the B36 and their bigger brothers. That said we'll see how the B36-7 goes first. Nothing is off the table for the future but our focus now is on delivering on the promise of the first samples and meeting everyone's expectations. -Rapido Gareth I'll say this, you guys found a way into my wallet, especially if you're getting guidance from Harry. I'm ordering a pair of SP from my local shop. Dave |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 21:25:57 GMT -8
Whether it be -7 or U series, I will buy. If it pertains to the 70's, or 60's, I'm there. GE's, that is.
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Post by talltim on Mar 6, 2018 4:43:40 GMT -8
I have a layout(ish) but no layout room, or even room to have it up permanently.
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Post by ambluco on Mar 6, 2018 5:40:04 GMT -8
I thought a group of B23-7 were equipped with special plows to clear the 3rd-rail. Because of that, I would think that not every CR loco would venture down in that area.
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Post by John Sheridan on Mar 6, 2018 6:21:43 GMT -8
It would be interesting to see some of the emails sent to Rapido. Thank you Not just Rapido, but just about *any* Model RR Manufacturer. You have no idea of some of the emails & written letters we get - it would make your head explode. I'll give you one - I person wrote company X Declaring that he refuses to buy model Y or any of their other products because the airhorns he heard on model Y were in D Sharp instead of the prototypically correct C Sharp. He then went on for several paragraphs basically tell them how stupid they were for screwing up this detail. No, I am not making this up. Then there are the mail/email from people who declare you Hitler II because they missed a minute detail on the model you just released. Mind you you spoke to the exact same person while the model was under development & they didn't say a word. |
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Post by NS4122 on Mar 6, 2018 6:32:57 GMT -8
I think some of you who have replied about having no layout may have misunderstood the point that Jason was making which (to me) was that the people who give the most ridiculous reasons for not buying a particular model are usually the ones who don't buy anything. I'm sure that Rapido is aware that many people without layouts buy trains.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 7:51:30 GMT -8
I am indeed very picky, but I buy a whole lot of stuff to at least try it out for myself on my own personal layout. Then the stuff I am not happy with, or roadnames I decide I don't need, I simply resell for whatever I am able to get for the stuff, gently used.
My pet peeve is wavy, or broken, or otherwise just plain bad, handrails. Sometimes I avoid products because I can look at the typical model available in the store, and I just know I'd never ever be happy with the handrails on any of them. I know prototype engines have the occasional bent stanchion, and remain in service that way, but I draw the line when many are bent, because the prototype would repair that condition.
I am not particularly a GE fan at all, but this Rapido model appears to be so very well engineered that I am now wondering which version I might buy one of, just to have one. I like the design approach to the handrails. The whole model appears to be very well designed to my eyes, from the photo.
SP ran a lot of intermodal traffic that ended up on Illinois Central Gulf, so...I may go there.
Even though certain manufacturers, like Athearn, sometimes have a reputation for bad handrails, I actually have examples from that manufacturer that I consider to be acceptable, or even "very good" with regard to handrails. I can find really good examples, or not so good examples, of models from every manufacturer, except that Kato is generally extremely consistent and at the high end of the range. They just don't offer much that I have to have.
At the end of the day, I look at the actual models available to me in person, to decide. Sometimes I mail order in stuff to try, but I will reject models that have issues.
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Post by rapidotrains on Mar 6, 2018 8:47:33 GMT -8
I think some of you who have have replied about having no layout may have misunderstood the point that Jason was making which (to me) was that the people who give the most ridiculous reasons for not buying a particular model are usually the ones who don't buy anything. I'm sure that Rapido is aware that many people without layouts buy trains. That's right. The majority of model railroaders don't have a layout. But that doesn't mean they aren't modellers. I'm talking about guys whose hobby is *talking* about model railroading. They don't actually own any models. There was a guy who was always critical on a big forum about everything VIA Rail Canada did - their service was terrible, their timetable didn't make sense, their equipment needed updating, etc. etc. He was always on there criticizing VIA. But it became clear that, apart from one short hop, he hadn't actually taken a VIA train in over 30 years, and in fact most of his train travel was from the early 1970s and pre-dated VIA's existence. Finally a VIA employee lost his cool on the forum and said something like, "How can you justify criticizing VIA when you never even take the $%^#& train???" I can't say I blame him for losing his cool. -Jason |
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Post by 12bridge on Mar 6, 2018 9:41:04 GMT -8
I thought a group of B23-7 were equipped with special plows to clear the 3rd-rail. Because of that, I would think that not every CR loco would venture down in that area. B23 and B30-7s were all 3rd rail cleared for service into NYC. I know the B36-7s were in the CSX days, but I would like to find out if they got cleared under Conrail. |
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Post by roadkill on Mar 6, 2018 11:17:10 GMT -8
I think some of you who have have replied about having no layout may have misunderstood the point that Jason was making which (to me) was that the people who give the most ridiculous reasons for not buying a particular model are usually the ones who don't buy anything. I'm sure that Rapido is aware that many people without layouts buy trains. That's right. The majority of model railroaders don't have a layout. But that doesn't mean they aren't modellers. I'm talking about guys whose hobby is *talking* about model railroading. They don't actually own any models. There was a guy who was always critical on a big forum about everything VIA Rail Canada did - their service was terrible, their timetable didn't make sense, their equipment needed updating, etc. etc. He was always on there criticizing VIA. But it became clear that, apart from one short hop, he hadn't actually taken a VIA train in over 30 years, and in fact most of his train travel was from the early 1970s and pre-dated VIA's existence. Finally a VIA employee lost his cool on the forum and said something like, "How can you justify criticizing VIA when you never even take the $%^#& train???" I can't say I blame him for losing his cool. -Jason I knew a guy with the same attitude about Amtrak... yet he had never, ever ridden a single solitary Amtrak train  . |
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Post by csxt8400 on Mar 6, 2018 17:01:58 GMT -8
Late to the poster-party. But, I just preordered a CSX and CSX Conrail patch.
(Still working on the layout building, though!)
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 6, 2018 18:46:10 GMT -8
A Conrail Albany Division or Philadelphia Division timetable should tell specifically what units had 3rd rail clearance plows. I don't have one handy, but it wouldn't shock me if someone has one posted online.
Alternately, if you can find pictures of them when clean, those plows were supposed to have a yellow band on the edges.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Mar 7, 2018 10:54:15 GMT -8
That's right. The majority of model railroaders don't have a layout. But that doesn't mean they aren't modellers. I'm talking about guys whose hobby is *talking* about model railroading. They don't actually own any models. There was a guy who was always critical on a big forum about everything VIA Rail Canada did - their service was terrible, their timetable didn't make sense, their equipment needed updating, etc. etc. He was always on there criticizing VIA. But it became clear that, apart from one short hop, he hadn't actually taken a VIA train in over 30 years, and in fact most of his train travel was from the early 1970s and pre-dated VIA's existence. Finally a VIA employee lost his cool on the forum and said something like, "How can you justify criticizing VIA when you never even take the $%^#& train???" I can't say I blame him for losing his cool. -Jason I knew a guy with the same attitude about Amtrak... yet he had never, ever ridden a single solitary Amtrak train . Hmmmmmm sounds somewhat like me. Never ridden it, but I miss the appeal in modeling it......  I'm not a fan of Amtrak in the HEP era. From track side photos and watching it in person, the trains all look alike. Yes, there are major external differences between Superliners, Viewliners and Amfleet's. I did get REALLY EXCITED last summer when the former Great Northern Great Dome, the last dome on Amtrak, went blasting past me. But it still just doesn't seem to have the same "magic" as the pre-Amtrak era, which featured a rainbow of colors, train names and car names. Now, I do find Amtrak palatable with SDP40F's, E's and F's pulling steam heated equipment. Except for the SDP40F's, everything was inherited from the railroads. Just about every car in the train was of different heritage. Now that gets my interest as modeling such a diverse collection is very interesting. Back on topic, I'm certain the folks that model in the era of the GE B36-7 will find this model very satisfying. At one time, if it was HO scale and a good model, I'd buy at least one. The trouble with that theory of modeling, leaves you with stuff busting out of the doors like an episode out of "Horders". |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 18:37:26 GMT -8
Well for those of us born in 1968, Amtrak is about all the big time passenger railroading that we have ever seen.
I have run the steps up to Horseshoe Curve at night, when it was still free, prior to the little museum, just in time to catch the Broadway with Heritage equipment.
The one trip that I rode the Silver Star and Silver Meteor, there were a handful of old train posters, framed, of the pre-Amtrak Seaboard and ACL advertisements. I thought it was a nice touch, all these many years later...I almost cried. That and Fred Frailey's "Twilight of the Great Trains" are as close as some of us will ever get.
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Mar 7, 2018 19:28:17 GMT -8
Well for those of us born in 1968, Amtrak is about all the big time passenger railroading that we have ever seen. I have run the steps up to Horseshoe Curve at night, when it was still free, prior to the little museum, just in time to catch the Broadway with Heritage equipment. The one trip that I rode the Silver Star and Silver Meteor, there were a handful of old train posters, framed, of the pre-Amtrak Seaboard and ACL advertisements. I thought it was a nice touch, all these many years later...I almost cried. That and Fred Frailey's "Twilight of the Great Trains" are as close as some of us will ever get. Born in 1960. Lived the first eight years of my life across the river and up the hill from St. Louis. Biggest memory was watching trains of the Southern on their mainline to and from East St. Louis. Saw one Illinois Central passenger train and Louisville & Nashville freight. Then it was onto the south suburbs of Chicago. Memories are of the Penn Central on the former PRR Panhandle line rolling along on a decrepit double track mainline. The Grand Trunk Western moving auto racks and 86' hi-cubes on its mainline. Faint memories of the Chicago & Eastern Illinois, but more of the L&N and Missouri Pacific at Yard Center in Dolton. IHB working their hump yard Harvey. A faint memory of the Erie Lackawanna running through Hammond and Griffith. As far as Amtrak was concerned, I never saw much if any. Freight trains is about all I remember from childhood and teen years. |
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