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Post by cp6027 on Oct 26, 2018 12:45:50 GMT -8
The formal announcements of the new Rapido HO New Haven Dining Car and "Super Continental Line" Pullman-Standard Lightweight Dining Car just came out in the latest Rapido newsletter and details are also up on their website. The latter diner is based on the cars built for CN in 1954. www.rapidotrains.com/ho-nh-dining-car/www.rapidotrains.com/ho-pullman-dining-car/I'm excited to get at least one of the P-S diners in VIA but need to go over some rosters to figure out which numbers were in western transcontinental service. Hopefully the models won't take four years to arrive like the mid-train domes! |
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Post by rapidotrains on Oct 26, 2018 12:55:17 GMT -8
The formal announcements of the new Rapido HO New Haven Dining Car and "Super Continental Line" Pullman-Standard Lightweight Dining Car just came out in the latest Rapido newsletter and details are also up on their website. The latter diner is based on the cars built for CN in 1954. www.rapidotrains.com/ho-nh-dining-car/www.rapidotrains.com/ho-pullman-dining-car/I'm excited to get at least one of the P-S diners in VIA but need to go over some rosters to figure out which numbers were in western transcontinental service. Hopefully the models won't take four years to arrive like the mid-train domes! We don't intend for our new moulds to fall apart between announcement and delivery....  -Jason |
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Post by onequiknova on Oct 26, 2018 14:24:51 GMT -8
What, no silverware?
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Post by sd40dash2 on Oct 26, 2018 15:14:21 GMT -8
Jason:
Will the FP9As being tooled now be the 6300s? Those have never been done before. Would go well with your 6309 restoration project.
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Oct 26, 2018 16:56:29 GMT -8
In my best Paul Revere voice: “The diners are coming! The diners are coming!” At long last, my NH passengers can finally get a meal. For the complete story on the NH dining car dept., interested folks should pick up a copy of “Dining on the Shore Line Route” by Marc Frattasio. It explains how the NH was the only RR dining car dept. to make a profit, and includes a complete NH recipe book. There are a bunch of pictures and graphics to go along with the text. And if you want to model the Merchants Limited (the NH’s best train) in the “as delivered” NH green cars, you really need two full diners. The Merchants left NYC and BOS each day at 5:00 pm sharp, and the ~4 hour trip fell right through dinner time. The creme de la creme of Boston brahmins and NY knickerbockers didn’t like to stand in line. That’s for plebeians, after all.  So the NH put two full diners on the Merchants to take care of their best passengers. |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Oct 27, 2018 18:43:41 GMT -8
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Post by simulatortrain on Oct 27, 2018 19:37:20 GMT -8
I'm not a passenger guy whatsoever, but I love those NH diners. One of them is going to find a home on my roster as some kind of private car. Good stuff!
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Oct 27, 2018 19:40:44 GMT -8
Jason, WRT "The Missing Second Run": My model railroad club has also learned that hard lesson that immediate second runs don't sell as well as the first. We have ordered custom run club cars since 1991 from Walthers, Athearn, Atlas, Bowser, Accurail, Kadee, Branchline, etc. One of them was a MDC/Roundhouse 70-ton hopper kit painted for a local railroad. Not accurate (prototype car had 4 bays, ours had 3), but it looked good and no one else had ever made anything for this railroad. We bought 300 cars and they sold like hotcakes. I think we were sold out in 3 months (which is really good for a club car). The next car was going to be something new, but the deal fell through at the last minute. Since we were still getting requests for more of our old hoppers, the committee chairman ordered another 300 hopper cars. The first 100 sold fast...the last 200 just sat...and sat...and sat. We ended up heavily discounting the cars just to get rid of them. It got to the point where the club car committee chairman gave me one job: if he ever again suggests re-running a club car, I am to tell him no, don't do it; remember the hopper! |
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Post by GP40P-2 on Oct 27, 2018 21:43:52 GMT -8
Jason, WRT "The Missing Second Run": My model railroad club has also learned that hard lesson that immediate second runs don't sell as well as the first. We have ordered custom run club cars since 1991 from Walthers, Athearn, Atlas, Bowser, Accurail, Kadee, Branchline, etc. One of them was a MDC/Roundhouse 70-ton hopper kit painted for a local railroad. Not accurate (prototype car had 4 bays, ours had 3), but it looked good and no one else had ever made anything for this railroad. We bought 300 cars and they sold like hotcakes. I think we were sold out in 3 months (which is really good for a club car). The next car was going to be something new, but the deal fell through at the last minute. Since we were still getting requests for more of our old hoppers, the committee chairman ordered another 300 hopper cars. The first 100 sold fast...the last 200 just sat...and sat...and sat. We ended up heavily discounting the cars just to get rid of them. It got to the point where the club car committee chairman gave me one job: if he ever again suggests re-running a club car, I am to tell him no, don't do it; remember the hopper! Yea but, more New Haven coaches, especially with the lounges and now dining cars since then, would certainly not be a dud! |
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Post by rails4dmv on Oct 28, 2018 6:26:39 GMT -8
I do hope a second run of 8600 coaches will get considered, along with another run of Osgood Bradley cars (with track powered lighting) when the EP5 hits the streets.
I'd be more happy if eventually another run of Super Continental passenger cars for D&H and Erie Lackawanna were to get re-done. Or another Budd coach run....
BTW, I saw Amtrak in the diner announcement, but no Penn Central?
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 28, 2018 8:20:56 GMT -8
I'm not a passenger guy whatsoever, but I love those NH diners. One of them is going to find a home on my roster as some kind of private car. Good stuff! Proposal: A two-car set. Turn the dining space in the diner into a combination dining room/lounge. You can put a sleeping accommodation for the cook in by shrinking the kitchen. Connect it to a dome car, maybe with a platform on the end (with a little work). One possibility for the car would be an NP dome sleeper. There's brass ones already done, or you can get Brasscarsides P/N 173-84. Once upon a time, I started making a lightweight business car out of an AHM 10-6. Now there's even more opportunities for play. Ed |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 28, 2018 8:22:16 GMT -8
Me, I'm looking forward to one of the NH stainless grill cars, someday.
Dining for the masses!
Ed
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Post by littlejoee76 on Oct 28, 2018 9:25:38 GMT -8
I've got Myles Standish on order. I haven't googled him yet but the name looks good in print! (FWIW Jonathan Edwards is the UKs current long jump title holder). I see Bill's still not got round to shifting Jet 375 out of the repaint scheme column a good six months after pointing it out tsk tsk
Neill Horton
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Oct 28, 2018 14:55:50 GMT -8
gp40p2, There are still a few NH stainless steel passenger car types to be done after the diners, namely the County-cars (Combines named after MA, NY, CT, & RI counties), the grills, the 14Rm-4DB, 6S-6Rm-4DB, and 6DB-Bf-24L sleepers, and the two tavern lounge observation cars (I'm not holding my breath for the obs.). I'd like to make a dent in that list before seeing more 8600 coaches. Now if we make all these cars first, the 5 to 6 year window for second runs mentioned by Jason will be wide open for more 8600's...I hope. rails4dmv, We haven't been able to confirm that any ex-NH diners ever got painted or even physically renumbered into PC. Most did make it to PC, sure, and numbered on paper 4500-4509. But three never made it to PC as the NH retired 903, 904, & 907 in 1968. Four were retired by PC in 1970 (as 4501, 4502, 4503, & 4508), and the other 3 (as 4500, 4506, 4509) were retired in 1971. My guess is that both the PRR and NYC had plenty of diners to fill all the trains that needed them, so why keep a bunch of orphans around? Ed, I, too, hope for grills. The NH had 15 grills 950-964 (they never had names, oddly enough). The grills were used on just about every train between Boston & NY, plus the Springfield line. If the train didn't rate a diner, it had a grill. And on the later Merchants Limiteds, they had a diner and a grill. The NH even sent a grill from Boston to New London, dropped it off at the station, then it would get picked up by a NY to Boston train to go back. Thus serving two trains with one grill. littlejoee76, Here's the NH diner roster and who they are named after: 900 Jonathan Edwards - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Edwards_(theologian)901 Samuel Huntington - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Huntington_(Connecticut_politician)902 Lewis Morris - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Morris903 Roger Sherman - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Sherman904 William Williams - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Williams_(Connecticut_politician)905 Myles Standish - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myles_Standish906 John Alden - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Alden907 John Carver - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carver_(Plymouth_Colony_governor)908 William Bradford - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bradford_(Plymouth_Colony_governor)909 William Brewster - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Brewster_(Mayflower_passenger)I talked with Bill, again, at the Essex show about EP-5 #375. I still don't know if they're going to change it. |
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Post by valenciajim on Oct 28, 2018 16:02:07 GMT -8
These are exceptionally nice cars, but you got my available cash with the ATSF RDCs.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 28, 2018 16:24:32 GMT -8
I think it was Roger Sherman who did "Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah" and similar tunes. It's great he got some recognition back when those songs were popular. Wasn't it Lewis Morris who invented the Morris Minor. But he was a Brit! How's that work? Ed |
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Post by NS4122 on Oct 28, 2018 18:20:43 GMT -8
I think it was Roger Sherman who did "Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah" and similar tunes. It's great he got some recognition back when those songs were popular. Ed That would be Allan Sherman who sang "Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah" |
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Post by slowfreight on Oct 30, 2018 10:28:40 GMT -8
The kitchen windows on these cars are pretty distinctive. I totally get painting these for roads beyond CN and VIA, but I'm curious how closely they resemble some of the other paint schemes. Surely, they are closer to some cars than to others, and for whatever reason the newsletter didn't discuss.
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Post by stevewagner on Oct 30, 2018 16:04:14 GMT -8
Roger Sherman was responsible for the Great Compromise (or Connecticut Compromise) at the Constitutional Convention in 1787. The Virginia Plan was for the seats in Congress to be allotted according to the population of the states. The New Jersey plan was for each state to have an equal number of seats. Sherman proposed that the House reflect the Virginia Plan and the Senate the New Jersey Plan.
Jonathan Edwards was a leading preacher during the so-called Great Awakening; read his sermon "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God".
Myles Standish was the military leader of the Plymouth colony who got John Alden to propose to a woman for him; Longfellow's poem has her replying, "Why don't you speak for yourself, John."
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So the NH put two full diners on the Merchants to take care of their best passengers.
