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Post by keystonecrossings on May 7, 2012 5:46:40 GMT -8
So what are the odds-on favorite?
Broadway Limited in 2010 (eastern road)
El Cap in 2011 (western road)
Back to the east? Maybe service to the south?
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Post by SantaFeJim on May 7, 2012 6:38:21 GMT -8
I will play along. Last time this topic came up on the Atlas Forum was March 9, 2011. Please feel free to check the atlas archive.To save you time, here is the link: forum.atlasrr.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64886&SearchTerms=El,Capitan My guess on that day was: Santa Fe El CapitanLess than 2 months later (May 5th to be exact) Walthers announced it. Let me say now I do not have any insiders at Walthers feeding me information. It was just wishful thinking on my part. Having cleared that up, my wish/guess for the next Name Train is: The Illinois Central City of New Orleans.What say you? |
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Post by Donnell Wells on May 7, 2012 6:59:25 GMT -8
Hi Jim,
I'll go with that. I like the IC, but would probably pass on that train waiting instead for the Southern Pacific Sunset Limited! At least I'd have time to recover financially...
Donnell
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Post by carrman on May 7, 2012 7:07:27 GMT -8
If they did the Sunset, I'm screwed!
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Post by dti406 on May 7, 2012 7:51:31 GMT -8
If we go by the past few releases they have been alternating East and West.
My choice would be either the East Coast Champion or Silver Meteor which would also appeal to PRR fans as the PRR ran these from New York City to Washington DC, where they were handed off to the RF&P who in turn handed them to the ACL or Seaboard in Richmond for their trips to Miami.
Rick J
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Post by keystonecrossings on May 7, 2012 8:01:48 GMT -8
I've got just about all the Pennsy cars I need, so my opionion is fairly unbiased.
I would like to see one of the many north-south east coast trains that takes in multiple railroads' equipment, such as the previously mentioned East Coast Champion or Silver Meteor.
I'd also shout out for the MKT Texas Special or the MP Texas Eagle.
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Post by riogrande on May 7, 2012 9:18:56 GMT -8
I would love for Walthers to do a Pullman Standard "Prospector" train. Of course I'm biased but in defense of my suggestions, they already have one of the cars tooled, the 52-seat chair car is the Pullman Standard coach, and I think only a number board or name board is "off" making the car not an exact match, but very very close.
So Walthers would need to tool up the following:
-PS RPO car
-PS Baggage car
-PS Baggage/Dorm/Chair combine car
-PS Diner with kitchen in the center (D&RGW owned 2)
-PS Sleeper (D&RGW owned 4)
Maybe some folks can chime in, but IIRC, some of these cars were also run by the C&O, and even D&RGW's cars later went to other RR's like the Algoma Central and others, so many of these cars can be accurate for a few other RR's extending the mileage of the tooling while being fairly accurate.
Lastly, the combines were used on the famous Rio Grande Zephyr and combined with the BLI CZ cars could give you a fairly accurate passenger train. The only issue with the existing BLI cars is the CZ name boards were removed, as well as the antenae's on the diner and observation. BLI floated a trial balloon but report they got insufficient demand, which is hard to believe, to run RGZ versions of their CZ cars.
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Post by carrman on May 7, 2012 10:34:13 GMT -8
Wish the BLI had better trucks.
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Post by SantaFeJim on May 7, 2012 11:00:36 GMT -8
What is wrong with their trucks?
I don't own any, but when I saw them at the hobby shop they looked pretty good in addition they seem okay in this video.
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Post by calzephyr on May 7, 2012 11:23:00 GMT -8
I will play along. Last time this topic came up on the Atlas Forum was March 9, 2011. Please feel free to check the atlas archive.To save you time, here is the link: forum.atlasrr.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=64886&SearchTerms=El,Capitan My guess on that day was: Santa Fe El CapitanLess than 2 months later (May 5th to be exact) Walthers announced it. Let me say now I do not have any insiders at Walthers feeding me information. It was just wishful thinking on my part. Having cleared that up, my wish/guess for the next Name Train is: The Illinois Central City of New Orleans.What say you? Jim You are 1 for 1 so far and the City of New Orleans would be a good choice for me. It even has a song that was very popular and the words described it fairly well in the later days of service. I have several IC steamers so that would probably force me to purchase a set of E units and the train. Larry This is my IC 2500 model. The real one is at Centrailia in the park today.  |
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Post by SantaFeJim on May 7, 2012 11:33:38 GMT -8
calz.... I think that the Chocolate & Orange E units would look mighty fine on the point.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2012 11:40:36 GMT -8
You wonder if at what time Walthers is going to stop the name train or at least take a year off.
Walthers has not been immune to missing delivery dates or pushing the delivery date WAY back, as in the case of the GP30's. I had reserved one of the Proto Southern Pacific E9A 6051 models, which was scheduled for end of April and now is open ended on arrival.
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Post by calzephyr on May 7, 2012 11:55:59 GMT -8
You wonder if at what time Walthers is going to stop the name train or at least take a year off. Walthers has not been immune to missing delivery dates or pushing the delivery date WAY back, as in the case of the GP30's. I had reserved one of the Proto Southern Pacific E9A 6051 models, which was scheduled for end of April and now is open ended on arrival. Jim I was under the impression the 6051 was already available but I did not have one on reservation. I hope it was not in the factory that was closed in China early this year. Larry |
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on May 7, 2012 13:07:06 GMT -8
Walthers is overdue to update their Alco PA/B units, something with them as power might be appropriate. OR maybe the Southern Crescent.
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Post by nw611 on May 7, 2012 14:05:17 GMT -8
I agree on the Crescent (not the Southern Crescent).
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Post by garr on May 7, 2012 15:36:07 GMT -8
It will be the Georgia Railroad Super Mixed. They will only need to tool two versions of the Budd Coach, both formerly used on the Crescent as part of the West Point Routes contribution to that train. Both will come from the factory pre-weathered in Georgia red clay.
The sub car, the West Point Route pullman Alabama River, already has the tooling done for it.
Google regular search and image search Georgia Railroad Mixed Train to see a few images.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2012 15:37:17 GMT -8
You wonder if at what time Walthers is going to stop the name train or at least take a year off. Walthers has not been immune to missing delivery dates or pushing the delivery date WAY back, as in the case of the GP30's. I had reserved one of the Proto Southern Pacific E9A 6051 models, which was scheduled for end of April and now is open ended on arrival. Jim I was under the impression the 6051 was already available but I did not have one on reservation. I hope it was not in the factory that was closed in China early this year. Larry Walthers got the Amtrak E8 out of the door on schedule. The SP 6051's expected is listed as "limited run - advance reservation" There is no date listed anymore. |
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Post by calzephyr on May 7, 2012 16:15:45 GMT -8
I was under the impression the 6051 was already available but I did not have one on reservation. I hope it was not in the factory that was closed in China early this year. Larry Walthers got the Amtrak E8 out of the door on schedule. The SP 6051's expected is listed as "limited run - advance reservation" There is no date listed anymore. Thanks. I was going to pick one up at the CSRM since I live only about 30 miles away from the museum. They are getting a donation from each one according to the information. Larry |
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Post by coaldrag on May 7, 2012 17:06:08 GMT -8
How about thinking outside the box. After I say it don’t just jump in and say no. Think about how much sense it makes; the current UP excursion train. All the various support cars. 2 water tenders for the steam. 3 E9s. They already have some cars. Just think, water tenders that wouldn’t cost $400. The tool car. The power car. They can leave the actual steam locomotives to others, … or not. Athearn will have the DD40, so you wouldn’t necessarily need that either. But you need to announce it before Athearn’s DD is announced. Think long and hard, it makes sense ($$$). To adequately model the train you need at least 2 steam (3985, 844), 2E9s, an EB and the Centennial plus any of several modern road units.
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Post by riogrande on May 7, 2012 19:24:36 GMT -8
Walthers is overdue to update their Alco PA/B units, something with them as power might be appropriate. Why should I be afraid. Every time Walthers offers an improved version of an old P2k loco, it costs 3x as much. And that isn't really an over statement in some cases. For example, I bought my P2K SD9 for about $50, I saw the new D&RGW P2K SD9 for discount price of $150 (thats MB Klein's) with no sound! Holy Smokes! And the only visible "improvement" is the better shade of orange. I think I'll keep my two dark orange SD9's that cost me $50. At least the Athearn SD45's came with all the prototype detail trimmings and only cost me $85!!!! last month. Interesting, I was looking on Kleins, there were pictures of Green BN SD9's and I was just watching my Rio Grande Odyssey video and there it was with the green patch in a D&RGW train, same number too! Way cool, but I'm not paying $150 for it. |
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Post by The Ferro Kid on May 7, 2012 20:37:55 GMT -8
I absolutely agree with santafejim -- it will be IC's City of New Orleans. Arlo Guthrie told me ...
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Post by calzephyr on May 8, 2012 5:46:44 GMT -8
Walthers is overdue to update their Alco PA/B units, something with them as power might be appropriate. Why should I be afraid. Every time Walthers offers an improved version of an old P2k loco, it costs 3x as much. And that isn't really an over statement in some cases. For example, I bought my P2K SD9 for about $50, I saw the new D&RGW P2K SD9 for discount price of $150 (thats MB Klein's) with no sound! Holy Smokes! And the only visible "improvement" is the better shade of orange. I think I'll keep my two dark orange SD9's that cost me $50. At least the Athearn SD45's came with all the prototype detail trimmings and only cost me $85!!!! last month. Interesting, I was looking on Kleins, there were pictures of Green BN SD9's and I was just watching my Rio Grande Odyssey video and there it was with the green patch in a D&RGW train, same number too! Way cool, but I'm not paying $150 for it. The price increases have been moving up on most models for some time now. I purchased a bunch of those SD9's undecorated from MB Klein at the blowout price at $29 each. What a deal for SD9's. That was the era when Lifelike was near MB Klein and the prices for extra stock was extremely low. CZ |
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Post by riogrande on May 8, 2012 12:15:09 GMT -8
Why should I be afraid. Every time Walthers offers an improved version of an old P2k loco, it costs 3x as much. And that isn't really an over statement in some cases. For example, I bought my P2K SD9 for about $50, I saw the new D&RGW P2K SD9 for discount price of $150 (thats MB Klein's) with no sound! Holy Smokes! And the only visible "improvement" is the better shade of orange. I think I'll keep my two dark orange SD9's that cost me $50. At least the Athearn SD45's came with all the prototype detail trimmings and only cost me $85!!!! last month. Interesting, I was looking on Kleins, there were pictures of Green BN SD9's and I was just watching my Rio Grande Odyssey video and there it was with the green patch in a D&RGW train, same number too! Way cool, but I'm not paying $150 for it. The price increases have been moving up on most models for some time now. I purchased a bunch of those SD9's undecorated from MB Klein at the blowout price at $29 each. What a deal for SD9's. That was the era when Lifelike was near MB Klein and the prices for extra stock was extremely low. CZ Good move! It might be nice to have them but I'm saving my pennies for other items like getting caught up on some things from the past couple years that I wasn't able to keep up with due to the fast pace of release. Now that things have slowed down thanks to the Chinese closing plants etc, I'm making some headway. I think BLI is supposed to be releasing another run of CZ cars this summer so I have a couple of those I missed out from the D&RGW RGZ series, Silver Colt and Silver Pine, and possibly a few more others if I can swing it toward a second set (since I'm part way there already! Anyhow, price increase have indeed been going up, but it seems P2K has been ahead of the curve on price increase and higher than Atlas, Genesis etc. Thankfully so far, I've been able to pass up everything they have offered - due to already having it, or having an alternative, re: SD45's from Athearn, PA's, GP60's or SD9's, I have examples of all of those from the earlier releases. Sure it would be nice to have the latest and greatest but frankly my head is spinning from the upgrade merry go round and I'm only opening my wallet for "must have's" or where I see a big improvement - gyra light is a big incentive for me to do that which is why I sprung for all the RTR Athearn SD45's but those were all a modest $85 each (modest by todays standards) I'm a bit surprised the SD9's are coming out with QSI sound, which seems to be "panned" by many of the sound guru's. But even the non-sound SD9 is a new high at $150 discount! The Genesis diesels so far can be found at around $120 discount and they seem to be a bit more detailed. I was looking at close up photo's of the ends of the D&RGW SD9 and the stripes appeared to have fuzzy mask lines - it was pretty clear in the photo. Even Athearns old blue box for the most part had sharp mask lines on the nose stripes. |
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Post by railthunder on May 8, 2012 15:00:38 GMT -8
You wonder if at what time Walthers is going to stop the name train or at least take a year off. Walthers has not been immune to missing delivery dates or pushing the delivery date WAY back, as in the case of the GP30's. I had reserved one of the Proto Southern Pacific E9A 6051 models, which was scheduled for end of April and now is open ended on arrival. Jim I initially thought this too as I had ordered several of the Amtrak E8As as they were a March release, but they just showed up in May so a couple of months behind. I think it might be more on a model by model basis. |
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Post by Paul Cutler III on May 8, 2012 19:39:26 GMT -8
riogrande,
Why in the world would you compare bargain basement blowout prices from a model that was released in 1996 to a model produced today? Heck, it's not even the same company anymore.
BTW, the one thing that's not visible as an improvement is that Walthers is re-tooling the drive trains on all these models so they all have the same gear ratio and will eliminate the cracked gear issue.
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