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Post by rapidotrains on Dec 26, 2018 14:42:49 GMT -8
Hi all, The latest Rapido News is now online. conta.cc/2EOr3dNNew steam and diesel as well as more info from the factory. Thanks for reading, Jason |
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Post by brakie on Dec 27, 2018 6:21:00 GMT -8
Jason,No doubt those SW1200s will be fantastic models and I'm sure they will sell like pancakes! Sadly there over my price limit so,I will use my old Athearn SW7s and my P2K SW8 and SW1200.
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Post by Paul Cutler III on Dec 27, 2018 7:59:20 GMT -8
Brakie,
Why say that last bit? I mean, really?
What is this constant need for people in this hobby to tell everyone all the things they aren't going to buy? Does this happen in other hobbies? I don't get it.
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Post by sd80mac on Dec 27, 2018 8:00:43 GMT -8
Brakie, Why say that last bit? I mean, really? What is this constant need for people in this hobby to tell everyone all the things they aren't going to buy? Does this happen in other hobbies? I don't get it. I was thinking the same exact thing! "Hey, great looking product, I won't be buying any though because it's too expensive!". Wouldn't "Hey, great looking product!" suffice? |
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Dec 27, 2018 8:21:47 GMT -8
Brakie, Why say that last bit? I mean, really? What is this constant need for people in this hobby to tell everyone all the things they aren't going to buy? Does this happen in other hobbies? I don't get it. I was thinking the same exact thing! "Hey, great looking product, I won't be buying any though because it's too expensive!". Wouldn't "Hey, great looking product!" suffice? Same thoughts, here. |
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Post by gevohogger on Dec 27, 2018 8:31:17 GMT -8
Or: "Great looking product, wrong era!!" Or wrong railroad, wrong part of the country, etc...
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Post by el3672 on Dec 27, 2018 9:59:15 GMT -8
WOW those SW1200's sure are beautiful models, amazing proto details. Hope to see EL units in the second or future run.
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Post by sd40dash2 on Dec 27, 2018 10:08:23 GMT -8
Or: "Great looking product, wrong era!!" Or wrong railroad, wrong part of the country, etc...
What value is being added to the forum when we have numerous posters telling us a certain model does not fit their era/locale/rr? |
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Post by simulatortrain on Dec 27, 2018 10:34:12 GMT -8
Very nice as always, I'm sure I can find a home for one of those SW1200s.
Are the inspection lights something that could eventually be sold separately?
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Post by 12bridge on Dec 27, 2018 10:38:30 GMT -8
No Undec SP version SW1200?
- Do the regular (AAR) undecs include friction and roller sideframes?
- Do they have MU and non MU end handrails?
- Will (all appropriate) have the correct, upper loop style cut bars, that NOBODY has made in HO scale, yet almost every switcher has?
And on another subject - Maybe its the angle of the photo, but the ground lights on that RS11/18 look horrifically out of scale.
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Dec 27, 2018 11:22:39 GMT -8
Actually I do see a purpose for the post due to the fact the manufacturer started the topic and a user said the product is nice but over his price point - ie too expensive so a lost potential customer. It allows the manufacturer to hear feedback and discussion - ie the purpose of a forum on their products which includes price. Brakie, Why say that last bit? I mean, really? What is this constant need for people in this hobby to tell everyone all the things they aren't going to buy? Does this happen in other hobbies? I don't get it. |
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Post by brakie on Dec 27, 2018 11:27:10 GMT -8
Brakie, What is this constant need for people in this hobby to tell everyone all the things they aren't going to buy? Does this happen in other hobbies? I don't get it. Paul, More then you can imagine.. At I least I didn't find fault or rip their products for minor detail flaws which could lead to lost of sales. Last I looked there was nothing in the forum rules forbidding any comments like mine... |
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Post by MONSTERRAILROAD on Dec 27, 2018 11:40:16 GMT -8
Actually I do see a purpose for the post due to the fact the manufacturer started the topic and a user said the product is nice but over his price point - ie too expensive so a lost potential customer. It allows the manufacturer to hear feedback and discussion - ie the purpose of a forum on their products which includes price. Brakie, Why say that last bit? I mean, really? What is this constant need for people in this hobby to tell everyone all the things they aren't going to buy? Does this happen in other hobbies? I don't get it. Hmmm, I agree to this now that you put it that way. |
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Post by gevohogger on Dec 27, 2018 12:22:08 GMT -8
Or: "Great looking product, wrong era!!" Or wrong railroad, wrong part of the country, etc...
What value is being added to the forum when we have numerous posters telling us a certain model does not fit their era/locale/rr? NO value is being added; that is the point. |
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Post by selector on Dec 27, 2018 18:55:23 GMT -8
... too expensive so a lost potential customer. ... - ie the purpose of a forum on their products which includes price. I think a conversation on a public forum should be a healthy mix between fully inclusive and on topic. That is, wide ranging. However, the part in red isn't quite logical...to me. Nobody is a potential customer for a product that can't be delivered. Rapido, in order to maintain its output and its quality, and pay for all its operations and wages, must command a certain price point and profit margin. Some people are never going to be customers because of one characteristic of the new model or another. So, there's little potential in their custom. Whether the paint scheme, price, or some other aspect, they simply cannot buy or elect not to buy. No potential there at all. About the only time a person would be missed potential is in the numbers issued and the greater number of customers. But a price must be set someplace. |
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Post by rapidotrains on Dec 27, 2018 19:30:45 GMT -8
No Undec SP version SW1200? - Do the regular (AAR) undecs include friction and roller sideframes? - Do they have MU and non MU end handrails? - Will (all appropriate) have the correct, upper loop style cut bars, that NOBODY has made in HO scale, yet almost every switcher has? And on another subject - Maybe its the angle of the photo, but the ground lights on that RS11/18 look horrifically out of scale. Undecorated models represent about 0.5% of our sales. We will look into what optional bits we can include, with the aim to include as much as possible within reason. I can't answer more as I'm not the project manager. Similarly, for the cut bar question, I would have to ask Dan in January. The office is closed for the holidays and he is not on this forum. Our goal is always to make an accurate model, unless there is no possible way to inject or stamp the part accurately. We are limited by our material processes. The RS11/18 ground light is not horrifically out of scale. It is 2" wider than the prototype, which to us is an acceptable compromise to get it to operate. -Jason |
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Post by 12bridge on Dec 27, 2018 19:33:18 GMT -8
Thanks Jason.
I certainly can understand about the undec sales. But it would be nice to at-least see both handrail styles as an option.
However, I think the cut bar is a big deal, and I hope you guys do it, especially with all of the touting about detail you guys do.
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Post by ryanreed on Dec 28, 2018 9:00:34 GMT -8
Jason,
Just sayin',, some of us are, umm, NOT complaining about anything. We're just super happy you're supporting model builders with undecs - and I'll be in for undec SW1200's definitely. I can't wait to see those awesome models on my workbench and in my paintbooth - because that stuff makes model railroading a blast!
Thank you for supporting us builders, we totally appreciate it despite what you may see and read out there. :-)
-Ryan
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Post by rapidotrains on Dec 28, 2018 10:22:28 GMT -8
Thank you for supporting us builders, we totally appreciate it despite what you may see and read out there. :-) -Ryan It's our pleasure, Ryan. We will never forget our roots. Most of us at Rapido are hardcore modellers. Bill is at this moment building a very, erm, interesting resin kit. I'll be stuck in track and scenery for the next five years or more.... -Jason |
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Post by ambluco on Dec 28, 2018 10:49:59 GMT -8
Doesn't really matter either. "Hey Jim, I'm heading over to pick up my new blah blah blah car after work." "Sounds like a nice car. I can't afford a car." That's not a normal response in a conversation. And most things that are sold have some segment of the population that can't afford to buy that item. We know and the manufacturers already now. Do you think Rapido/Athearn/Atlas/Walthers/etc all think EVERYONE can afford their products? Actually I do see a purpose for the post due to the fact the manufacturer started the topic and a user said the product is nice but over his price point - ie too expensive so a lost potential customer. It allows the manufacturer to hear feedback and discussion - ie the purpose of a forum on their products which includes price. Brakie, Why say that last bit? I mean, really? What is this constant need for people in this hobby to tell everyone all the things they aren't going to buy? Does this happen in other hobbies? I don't get it. |
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Post by brakie on Dec 28, 2018 11:59:42 GMT -8
And most things that are sold have some segment of the population that can't afford to buy that item. We know and the manufacturers already now. Do you think Rapido/Athearn/Atlas/Walthers/etc all think EVERYONE can afford their products?
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Actually I could easily afford one but, again that's above my price limit just like a new car with high monthly payments.
Should I rush out and buy a new car because Joe Blowhard does? My low maintenance '97 Jeep still gets the job done even with 225,000 plus miles..My older switchers gets the job done so,why should I lie and say I will buy X or XX many when in reality I won't buy any? Manufacturers needs every type of feed back beside the "good for you" or worst the trashing of a fine model over a minor detail flaw(s) which could lead to lost sales.
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Post by tom on Dec 28, 2018 13:20:32 GMT -8
Well they are expensive but based on previous reviews of Rapido models should be worth it. Value is also important and I am planning on purchasing one in the future when either undecs or a non ex-New Haven PC unit are released (the ex-NH units tended to remain on former NH rails). Value since it will probably be the last SW-1200 that I buy and should have more value than my four or five P2K SW-1200s that sit in various degrees of assembly or waiting for a Loksound decoder to be installed which probably will never happen.
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Post by ambluco on Dec 28, 2018 13:59:33 GMT -8
You missed the point. This isn't about buying one because someone else did (or lying to say you are). It's about saying "I'm not buying one" when someone does buy one. A completely unnatural thing to say. And yet rampant across the MR boards. It's the only hobby this happens in all the hobbies I have. And most things that are sold have some segment of the population that can't afford to buy that item. We know and the manufacturers already now. Do you think Rapido/Athearn/Atlas/Walthers/etc all think EVERYONE can afford their products? ----------------------------------------- Actually I could easily afford one but, again that's above my price limit just like a new car with high monthly payments. Should I rush out and buy a new car because Joe Blowhard does? My low maintenance '97 Jeep still gets the job done even with 225,000 plus miles..My older switchers gets the job done so,why should I lie and say I will buy X or XX many when in reality I won't buy any? Manufacturers needs every type of feed back beside the "good for you" or worst the trashing of a fine model over a minor detail flaw(s) which could lead to lost sales. |
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Post by riogrande on Dec 28, 2018 16:27:33 GMT -8
I'm excited Rapido added D&RGW to the line up of SW1200s. I've been wanting them for a long time. When Walthers announced theirs I was planning on buying theirs but Rapidos should be better and more accurate. I've read the former P2k SW1200 has flaws compared to the prototype.
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Post by djh4d on Dec 28, 2018 17:09:05 GMT -8
Are the inspection lights something that could eventually be sold separately? Now we're asking the real questions. -Dave |
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Post by GP40P-2 on Dec 28, 2018 21:52:03 GMT -8
Hey Rapido Dudes: This would be like beauty eh?  |
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Post by fr8kar on Dec 28, 2018 22:26:41 GMT -8
I'm excited Rapido added D&RGW to the line up of SW1200s. I've been wanting them for a long time. When Walthers announced theirs I was planning on buying theirs but Rapidos should be better and more accurate. I've read the former P2k SW1200 has flaws compared to the prototype. And it's 134, no less. I've spent many an afternoon switching cars at the elevator that particular locomotive calls home. If the Rapido guys come down to Fort Worth for any proto research, please pay a visit to the Fort Worth and Western. They have quite an eclectic collection of power from a wide variety of sources. There's also the museum out in Frisco. Maybe you guys will get inspired.  |
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Post by brakie on Dec 29, 2018 2:40:13 GMT -8
Are the inspection lights something that could eventually be sold separately? Now we're asking the real questions. -Dave Indeed. I could use those on my Atlas RS11s. |
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Post by SCL618 on Dec 29, 2018 13:00:26 GMT -8
I've read the former P2k SW1200 has flaws compared to the prototype. Can you elaborate further? I am interested to know what discrepancies there may be. |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Dec 29, 2018 13:56:46 GMT -8
No Undec SP version SW1200? - Do the regular (AAR) undecs include friction and roller sideframes? - Do they have MU and non MU end handrails? - Will (all appropriate) have the correct, upper loop style cut bars, that NOBODY has made in HO scale, yet almost every switcher has? And on another subject - Maybe its the angle of the photo, but the ground lights on that RS11/18 look horrifically out of scale. Undecorated models represent about 0.5% of our sales. We will look into what optional bits we can include, with the aim to include as much as possible within reason. I can't answer more as I'm not the project manager. Similarly, for the cut bar question, I would have to ask Dan in January. The office is closed for the holidays and he is not on this forum. Our goal is always to make an accurate model, unless there is no possible way to inject or stamp the part accurately. We are limited by our material processes. The RS11/18 ground light is not horrifically out of scale. It is 2" wider than the prototype, which to us is an acceptable compromise to get it to operate. -Jason Does this mean the Ingalls 4-S undec is on the back burner?  |
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