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Post by thunderhawk on Feb 28, 2019 11:56:36 GMT -8
Just wanted to let the crowd here know that I now have SD10 conversion kits available for the Walthers P2K SD7/9. Plenty of people that own airbrushes here. Parts are designed to be a direct replacement for the stock parts as the nose and cab are separate castings on the factory shell. Cab number boards are correctly centered in the housing as built by the Milwaukee, something often overlooked and difficult to scratchbuild. (Cannon GP35 numberboards are not correct for this modification) Also includes both Horst and Farr style air intakes, air tanks with piping, 4 exhaust stacks, glazing and nose ladder. Kits available as MILW and SOO/CP/DME versions with decals included. lineswestproducts.com/product/milwaukee-road-sd10-conversion-kit-ho-scale/I will also be releasing a conversion kit with the numberboards rounded to the cab roof to help out those modeling CNW, BN and other roads with that more common style. Also, a special kit for MILW 555 will be produced with it's unique cab. It is not just a GP35 cab as the roof profile is slightly different.  |
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Post by 12bridge on Feb 28, 2019 12:01:30 GMT -8
Looks good from afar, but you really need some better and clearer photos.
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Post by thunderhawk on Feb 28, 2019 12:27:18 GMT -8
Looks good from afar, but you really need some better and clearer photos. I'm finding grey isn't the easiest thing to photograph. For those wondering; No, these are not FDM. |
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Post by sd40dash2 on Feb 28, 2019 12:31:12 GMT -8
I don't see any mention of what materials the components are made of.
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Post by gevohogger on Feb 28, 2019 12:42:59 GMT -8
For those wondering; No, these are not FDM. ¿Say what? FDDM&S? |
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Post by thunderhawk on Feb 28, 2019 12:52:01 GMT -8
I don't see any mention of what materials the components are made of. Plastic. Obviously. |
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Post by 12bridge on Feb 28, 2019 13:38:29 GMT -8
There is more then one kind of plastic.
They sure look like they are 3D printed on a Photon to me.
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Feb 28, 2019 18:52:18 GMT -8
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Post by thunderhawk on Feb 28, 2019 19:37:58 GMT -8
Bit better pic showing a prototype test fit on a P2K. (Cab corner was broken when removing from sprue. That is not a production flaw.) Note the lack of layers.  |
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Post by 12bridge on Feb 28, 2019 19:51:56 GMT -8
Much better photo. Yeah, that sure does look good!
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Post by GP40P-2 on Feb 28, 2019 21:53:49 GMT -8
Looks good! Just what I need, to get pulled into doing some MILW units.
Will this be the same sort of plastic process used for the SDL39? If so, it looks like it will work out just fine.
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Post by thunderhawk on Mar 1, 2019 8:17:22 GMT -8
Looks good! Just what I need, to get pulled into doing some MILW units. Will this be the same sort of plastic process used for the SDL39? If so, it looks like it will work out just fine. I recall a saying in Trains years ago. By David P Morgan I believe. "Everyone has two favorite railroads. The Milwaukee Road and something else." Process is similar for the SDL but a different machine. |
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Post by riogrande on Mar 1, 2019 8:30:08 GMT -8
I recall a saying in Trains years ago. By David P Morgan I believe. "Everyone has two favorite railroads. The Milwaukee Road and something else." I never read that comment by Morgan and I did read Trains a fair amount but maybe I'm not sold enough or well read enough. I was never that into MILW years ago but in recent years as I've been exposed to more cool 1970's photo's on TrainOrders and magazine articles, the western extension of the early 1970's especially, was very cool. The mix of Little Joes, Box Cabs and diesels was very interesting and appealing. It doesn't hurt that the 1970's is really my sweet spot for nostagia of trains as well. |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Mar 2, 2019 12:53:41 GMT -8
My stab at an SD10.  So when is the GP20 kit coming?  |
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Post by thunderhawk on Mar 2, 2019 14:59:13 GMT -8
My stab at an SD10. So when is the GP20 kit coming? Started doodling on one this afternoon.  The ugly one will be first with matching nose with number boards. |
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Post by thebessemerkid on Mar 2, 2019 17:24:09 GMT -8
There's a market for several cabs. The GE U-boat to replace Atlas' ones with window height issues (the Rivarossi U28C supposedly had it nailed, but they exited the market, Proto U28/U30B qre also good). An EMD SD60I/70 widecab which Athearn Genesis missed on, although they supposedly patched recent ones (the windows have sharp angular corners, Kato looks correct the their 70MAC cabs). Probably others, but those are two big gaps with a lot of models out there thay could really benefit from a quick upgrade.
Also, since you're dabbling with SD's, maybe have a look at an SD18 that would drop on a proto SD9 or Atlas SD24 chassis. Probably could use the Proto or Atlas sill. With a low nose Atlas SD24 as the base, I think all that's needed is the long hood. (Bessemer, DM&IR and others, not sure on C&NW). Maybe even a bare-bones long hood thay would accept Cannon doors and whoever makes the correct fans.
As for Milwaukee? Yep, it's a very interesting road and although I model primarily middle Atlantic states, I do have a Hiawatha set and a few other locos. Did even manage to see an SDL39 around 1990 in Wisconsin leading a fast, short freight. Surprised more railroads didn't order them, considering the weight limits on some branches.
Good luck with your projects!
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Post by thunderhawk on Mar 2, 2019 19:03:27 GMT -8
The biggest issue I've run into is getting good drawings/dimensions to work from. Not only the prototype but also the model the cab will fit. (Some of those little clips are hard to measure) With those, cabs are not that difficult to do. I would like to do more cab variants, CNW and BN chop noses mentioned in the OP, however since I am not a fan of either road I don't have as easy of access to resources. If someone really wants one the best bet is to get some information together that I can work from. And if it looks like something that could make a little money I'll likely make it. Of course production of said parts would have to fit in with other ongoing projects, the SDL remains the focus, but small runs can be accommodated. btw-I will be making newly designed second gen EMD stanchions cast in brass for the SDL39. As a side benefit to the SDL project those will be made available as separate pieces and they will be the proper height. Projected to use .015 wire. Now knowing this crowd someone here has measured the tall, short and end rails with accompanying pictures. If you would like to share the info drop me a note. Speaking of the SDL; Trucks almost done. Some adjustments and final details needed. The most difficult part so far.  |
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Post by roadkill on Mar 2, 2019 19:44:21 GMT -8
The biggest issue I've run into is getting good drawings/dimensions to work from. Not only the prototype but also the model the cab will fit. (Some of those little clips are hard to measure) With those, cabs are not that difficult to do. I would like to do more cab variants, CNW and BN chop noses mentioned in the OP, however since I am not a fan of either road I don't have as easy of access to resources. If someone really wants one the best bet is to get some information together that I can work from. And if it looks like something that could make a little money I'll likely make it. Of course production of said parts would have to fit in with other ongoing projects, the SDL remains the focus, but small runs can be accommodated. btw-I will be making newly designed second gen EMD stanchions cast in brass for the SDL39. As a side benefit to the SDL project those will be made available as separate pieces and they will be the proper height. Projected to use .015 wire. Now knowing this crowd someone here has measured the tall, short and end rails with accompanying pictures. If you would like to share the info drop me a note. Speaking of the SDL; Trucks almost done. Some adjustments and final details needed. The most difficult part so far. Brass accurately scaled EMD stanchions??? Sign me up!!! |
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Post by GP40P-2 on Mar 3, 2019 13:57:39 GMT -8
Speaking of the SDL; Trucks almost done. Some adjustments and final details needed. The most difficult part so far. I like it! One question though, what is the reasoning behind the molded on brake cylinders, versus having them as a separate part? Oh, and on the SD10 (not knowing my MILW facts), was the base unit always an SD9, or did they ever start with an SD7? Jim |
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Post by thunderhawk on Mar 3, 2019 14:50:00 GMT -8
I like it! One question though, what is the reasoning behind the molded on brake cylinders, versus having them as a separate part? Oh, and on the SD10 (not knowing my MILW facts), was the base unit always an SD9, or did they ever start with an SD7? Jim Simplifies assembly and I use some parts to support other parts during the curing process. If it turns out the levers/rods work out better with them as separate parts they will be. One can't really tell from this angle, but the through bolts in the pedestal liners are visible in the frame cutouts. The SD10's were mostly rebuilt from SD7's. Only three or four were SD9's going from memory. |
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Mar 3, 2019 14:58:35 GMT -8
The spring detail appears to be lost above the center axle of your truck and and somewhat lost on the springs between the axles. Is there a reason there is a large lip on the brake cylinder? The bar below the axle is "thick". On the plus side, your truck has a look of "heft" with relief and contours and doesn't look like a flat casting which makes it about a million times better than the Kaslo attempt. The biggest issue I've run into is getting good drawings/dimensions to work from. Not only the prototype but also the model the cab will fit. (Some of those little clips are hard to measure) With those, cabs are not that difficult to do. I would like to do more cab variants, CNW and BN chop noses mentioned in the OP, however since I am not a fan of either road I don't have as easy of access to resources. If someone really wants one the best bet is to get some information together that I can work from. And if it looks like something that could make a little money I'll likely make it. Of course production of said parts would have to fit in with other ongoing projects, the SDL remains the focus, but small runs can be accommodated. btw-I will be making newly designed second gen EMD stanchions cast in brass for the SDL39. As a side benefit to the SDL project those will be made available as separate pieces and they will be the proper height. Projected to use .015 wire. Now knowing this crowd someone here has measured the tall, short and end rails with accompanying pictures. If you would like to share the info drop me a note. Speaking of the SDL; Trucks almost done. Some adjustments and final details needed. The most difficult part so far. |
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Post by csx3305 on Mar 3, 2019 15:24:37 GMT -8
I recall a saying in Trains years ago. By David P Morgan I believe. "Everyone has two favorite railroads. The Milwaukee Road and something else." I never read that comment by Morgan and I did read Trains a fair amount but maybe I'm not sold enough or well read enough. I was never that into MILW years ago but in recent years as I've been exposed to more cool 1970's photo's on TrainOrders and magazine articles, the western extension of the early 1970's especially, was very cool. The mix of Little Joes, Box Cabs and diesels was very interesting and appealing. It doesn't hurt that the 1970's is really my sweet spot for nostagia of trains as well. Whenever the topic of 1960's-1970's rail service decline and employee disillusionment comes up, most people probably think of Penn Central first. For me, MILW tends to come to mind sooner than the 'Central. Something about the paint colors and the equipment. Oh, and the employee anecdotes. John Crosby's Coast Division site is a good read: www.mrcd.org/ Lots of interesting tales from a couple of guys on Trainorders too. TAW is one. |
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Post by thunderhawk on Mar 3, 2019 16:05:39 GMT -8
The spring detail appears to be lost above the center axle of your truck and and somewhat lost on the springs between the axles. Is there a reason there is a large lip on the brake cylinder? The bar below the axle is "thick". On the plus side, your truck has a look of "heft" with relief and contours and doesn't look like a flat casting which makes it about a million times better than the Kaslo attempt. The lip on the brake cylinders is a bit too prominent and will be adjusted. The springs are a conundrum as on a HO model they really are not that visible through the sideframe. At least with proper sized springs versus the wire others have used. And grey doesn't show the coils off well. I am going to do a test with the bolster/springs as a separate part that fits into the sideframe however to see how that is in comparison as it would add a little depth to that portion. The journal retention strap is a scale 1". It's not too thick, the angle of the pic makes it look so. One can see between it and the journal. Thanks for the critique. btw-SDL39's have 5 1/2" Hyatt's versus the more common 6 1/2". Of course that is due to the axle loading of only around 41K per. |
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Post by Great-Northern-Willmar Div on Mar 3, 2019 20:12:40 GMT -8
I never read that comment by Morgan and I did read Trains a fair amount but maybe I'm not sold enough or well read enough. I was never that into MILW years ago but in recent years as I've been exposed to more cool 1970's photo's on TrainOrders and magazine articles, the western extension of the early 1970's especially, was very cool. The mix of Little Joes, Box Cabs and diesels was very interesting and appealing. It doesn't hurt that the 1970's is really my sweet spot for nostagia of trains as well. Whenever the topic of 1960's-1970's rail service decline and employee disillusionment comes up, most people probably think of Penn Central first. For me, MILW tends to come to mind sooner than the 'Central. Something about the paint colors and the equipment. Oh, and the employee anecdotes. John Crosby's Coast Division site is a good read: www.mrcd.org/ Lots of interesting tales from a couple of guys on Trainorders too. TAW is one. The Rock Island was in worse shape than the Milwaukee Road. Rock Island even ceased to exist with large parts abandoned. Cheap & Nothing Wasted or the Chicago & Northwestern also had too many branch lines to nowhere. |
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Post by csx3305 on Mar 3, 2019 22:20:36 GMT -8
The Rock Island was in worse shape than the Milwaukee Road. Rock Island even ceased to exist with large parts abandoned. Cheap & Nothing Wasted or the Chicago & Northwestern also had too many branch lines to nowhere. That is true, but I've actually read anecdotes from a few Rock employees that were fond recollections and were worded as if they were watching the decline and death of an old friend. Can't recall offhand ever seeing such from a former PC or MILW employee. There's a multi-page .pdf document floating around on the web that gives a by-the-numbers analysis of the Pacific Extension and just what a millstone it was around the neck of the MILW. Pretty good read, albeit wordy. I don't wish to derail Thunderhawk's thread any further with this, so this will be my last comment on it here (but I do think it would make for an interesting separate thread!). EDIT: Here's the pdf. www.gngoat.org/MILW2014.pdf |
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Post by thunderhawk on Mar 3, 2019 23:29:39 GMT -8
The Rock Island was in worse shape than the Milwaukee Road. Rock Island even ceased to exist with large parts abandoned. Cheap & Nothing Wasted or the Chicago & Northwestern also had too many branch lines to nowhere. That is true, but I've actually read anecdotes from a few Rock employees that were fond recollections and were worded as if they were watching the decline and death of an old friend. Can't recall offhand ever seeing such from a former PC or MILW employee. There's a multi-page .pdf document floating around on the web that gives a by-the-numbers analysis of the Pacific Extension and just what a millstone it was around the neck of the MILW. Pretty good read, albeit wordy. I don't wish to derail Thunderhawk's thread any further with this, so this will be my last comment on it here (but I do think it would make for an interesting separate thread!). EDIT: Here's the pdf. www.gngoat.org/MILW2014.pdfWhile Mark Meyers may make a few points, overall he is off base and frankly that entire screed came from a disagreement over grades (yes, grades) he had with another member of a Milwaukee mail list years ago. Comes across as very vindictive and small in my opinion. The guy he was arguing with just kept pushing his buttons which I found more and more comical as Meyers got increasingly bent out of shape. I researched and wrote an article years ago that laid out a number of facts about the Milwaukee's bankruptcy, so when I say Meyers is off base I do know what I am talking about. Long story short; The PCE was profitable even after losing a large amount of traffic after '74. (Was profitable in 77, the year they filed, and '78 iirc.) This came out in late '79 after the consultants went through the (cooked)books. The rest of the railroad, just like the other grangers, wasn't. The holding company wanted the Land Company which owned a huge amount of timber in the PNW. Much like BN sold off it's resources subsidiary. Enough about that. Back to SD10's. eta-There are a number of former employees on various MILW specific groups on FB that very much miss working for the road. And those that went through the merger almost universally despise the Soo. |
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Post by roadkill on Mar 4, 2019 7:14:15 GMT -8
Re: the SDL39 project... mind you this is just my opinion but I would be willing to bet a lot of $$$ if you were to bring out EMD stanchions first you'd sell a TON of the things which IMHO would help bankroll the SDL39. I know I'd be in for a LOT of them. Just a thought.
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Post by nsc39d8 on Mar 4, 2019 7:25:32 GMT -8
Re: the SDL39 project... mind you this is just my opinion but I would be willing to bet a lot of $$$ if you were to bring out EMD stanchions first you'd sell a TON of the things which IMHO would help bankroll the SDL39. I know I'd be in for a LOT of them. Just a thought. I know I would be in for several sets. I have several projects that could use some. |
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Post by snootie3257 on Mar 4, 2019 7:32:12 GMT -8
Re: the SDL39 project... mind you this is just my opinion but I would be willing to bet a lot of $$$ if you were to bring out EMD stanchions first you'd sell a TON of the things which IMHO would help bankroll the SDL39. I know I'd be in for a LOT of them. Just a thought. Agreed! I have no interest in an SDL39. Nice metal stanchions however would be something I,like many,would also buy a lot of! Steve |
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Post by riogrande on Mar 4, 2019 8:05:04 GMT -8
I researched and wrote an article years ago that laid out a number of facts about the Milwaukee's bankruptcy, so when I say Meyers is off base I do know what I am talking about. Long story short; The PCE was profitable even after losing a large amount of traffic after '74. (Was profitable in 77, the year they filed, and '78 iirc.) This came out in late '79 after the consultants went through the (cooked)books. The rest of the railroad, just like the other grangers, wasn't. I remember reading about the Pacific Extension an how there was a boom of traffic in the 1970's; I don't remember the time frame and it could have been after the overhead wires were discontinued (in 1974?). |
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