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Post by csx3305 on Nov 2, 2019 8:52:34 GMT -8
But will they have the correct sideframes and steps?? Lol Nope. We have to do something with all the snubbered trucks that the factory used by mistake, so we're putting them on the PA. Will save money by not needing that extra axle too. Haven't decided about the steps though.... 😉 Bill Check with TTI, they might have one you could go 3D scan.
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Post by sgoti on Nov 2, 2019 12:16:55 GMT -8
Nope. We have to do something with all the snubbered trucks that the factory used by mistake, so we're putting them on the PA. Will save money by not needing that extra axle too. Haven't decided about the steps though.... 😉 Bill If you put them under the PB1, you can almost have a BB-trucked Ski-Train generator car... Ooo... Me likey! (I have the whole Ski Train on order)
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Post by Mark R. on Nov 2, 2019 13:40:45 GMT -8
One advantage to putting the TCS WOW sound in the PAs is that the PAs won't be run with any other engines. Loksound has their Drive Hold feature that won't work when mu'd to other brands of decoders. If Rapido moves to TCS for any future road offerings, that could be a nightmare.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 15:46:42 GMT -8
"What chu talkin' about, Willis" What about those who choose to run their HO PA's in freight service, as the prototypes did, for a few years actually on Erie Lackamoney, and a period of time on Santa Fe, etc.? Erie Lackamoney also ran E units in freight service (they outlasted the PA's). They might very well end up mu'd with other power? So then we'll need the freight service PA Erie Lackamoney version with the nose side air vents to minimize the toilet stink...right there with the EP-5 freight version
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Post by rapidotrains on Nov 2, 2019 16:28:04 GMT -8
One advantage to putting the TCS WOW sound in the PAs is that the PAs won't be run with any other engines. Loksound has their Drive Hold feature that won't work when mu'd to other brands of decoders. If Rapido moves to TCS for any future road offerings, that could be a nightmare. Mark. We're not actually using WOW Sound. TCS has developed a new OEM decoder which will be used in our PA/PB models. We will be customizing the decoders to play nicely with our ESU-equipped models. Even before ESU introduced Drive Hold, all of our decoders had a "straight to 8" function ("straight to 4" in the RDC). This allowed you to ramp up the prime mover without affecting the locomotive speed. If you watch our first RDC video, Matt Herman uses this feature really well and I would argue that it sounds a heck of a lot like ESU's Drive Hold feature. Watch around the five minute mark: I am confident that for the vast majority of our customers, there will not be a noticeable difference between our TCS decoders and our ESU decoders. The hardcore ESU fans will choose to install their own decoders, but many of them already do that with our existing models. -Jason
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Post by Mark R. on Nov 2, 2019 19:57:54 GMT -8
One advantage to putting the TCS WOW sound in the PAs is that the PAs won't be run with any other engines. Loksound has their Drive Hold feature that won't work when mu'd to other brands of decoders. If Rapido moves to TCS for any future road offerings, that could be a nightmare. Mark. We're not actually using WOW Sound. TCS has developed a new OEM decoder which will be used in our PA/PB models. We will be customizing the decoders to play nicely with our ESU-equipped models. Even before ESU introduced Drive Hold, all of our decoders had a "straight to 8" function ("straight to 4" in the RDC). This allowed you to ramp up the prime mover without affecting the locomotive speed. If you watch our first RDC video, Matt Herman uses this feature really well and I would argue that it sounds a heck of a lot like ESU's Drive Hold feature. I am confident that for the vast majority of our customers, there will not be a noticeable difference between our TCS decoders and our ESU decoders. The hardcore ESU fans will choose to install their own decoders, but many of them already do that with our existing models. -Jason The only downfall with the "straight to 8" feature, is that once it was selected to raise or lower the prime mover independent of the throttle, it was essentially stuck in that mode until you brought the engine to a full stop. Then it would revert back to auto where the prime mover re-acted to the throttle position again. Matt just couldn't get it to revert back to auto mode on the fly. Mark.
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Post by carrman on Nov 2, 2019 20:12:05 GMT -8
Yeah if I order PA's they will be silent so I can slip Loksound into them. Hoping they come with speakers though.
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Post by lvrr325 on Nov 2, 2019 21:30:07 GMT -8
EL PAs also have an MU connection on the top of the nose that was added. Kind of a crude thing, could probably be made yourself out of square styrene and add the cap to it.
The only good thing about that stuff is sometimes it was added without a repaint so it's prototypical if the paint doesn't exactly match.
I actually wonder if the Erie units had some peculiarity to them as I just looked through some pictures and most of the time if with another unit it's another PA; one shot had a pair spliced with an RS2 and one shot had one with an F3B and E8.
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Post by rapidotrains on Nov 3, 2019 9:03:09 GMT -8
The only downfall with the "straight to 8" feature, is that once it was selected to raise or lower the prime mover independent of the throttle, it was essentially stuck in that mode until you brought the engine to a full stop. Then it would revert back to auto where the prime mover re-acted to the throttle position again. Matt just couldn't get it to revert back to auto mode on the fly. Mark. On which engine did it do that? That wasn't how it was designed to work. -Jason
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Post by Mark R. on Nov 3, 2019 10:51:45 GMT -8
The only downfall with the "straight to 8" feature, is that once it was selected to raise or lower the prime mover independent of the throttle, it was essentially stuck in that mode until you brought the engine to a full stop. Then it would revert back to auto where the prime mover re-acted to the throttle position again. Matt just couldn't get it to revert back to auto mode on the fly. Mark. On which engine did it do that? That wasn't how it was designed to work. -Jason All the files I've downloaded and installed (all pre-version 5) worked that way. That was even how Matt explained it to me. Once you entered into manual notching (or is that different again ?) the only way back to full automatic was to turn it off and come to a full stop. Fortunately, the Full Throttle feature overcame that problem. Mark.
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Post by rapidotrains on Nov 3, 2019 17:51:47 GMT -8
On which engine did it do that? That wasn't how it was designed to work. -Jason All the files I've downloaded and installed (all pre-version 5) worked that way. That was even how Matt explained it to me. Once you entered into manual notching (or is that different again ?) the only way back to full automatic was to turn it off and come to a full stop. Fortunately, the Full Throttle feature overcame that problem. Mark. Ah... I see. Those aren't our files. Our files are only available in our locomotives and custom decoders. On our files, you can pretty much play "Straight to 8" like an instrument. This is why when the Drive Hold feature was introduced and everyone asked us for it, I was confused as it sounded a lot like what we had already. Mohan will see what we can do with TCS that will offer a similar amount of independent control to what we have now. -Jason
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Post by Mark R. on Nov 3, 2019 19:00:40 GMT -8
All the files I've downloaded and installed (all pre-version 5) worked that way. That was even how Matt explained it to me. Once you entered into manual notching (or is that different again ?) the only way back to full automatic was to turn it off and come to a full stop. Fortunately, the Full Throttle feature overcame that problem. Mark. Ah... I see. Those aren't our files. Our files are only available in our locomotives and custom decoders. On our files, you can pretty much play "Straight to 8" like an instrument. This is why when the Drive Hold feature was introduced and everyone asked us for it, I was confused as it sounded a lot like what we had already. Mohan will see what we can do with TCS that will offer a similar amount of independent control to what we have now. -Jason The Full Throttle is great fun to play with. F9 essentially disconnects the motor from the throttle. Be nice if you could get TCS to play nice with that feature. Mark.
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Post by wmrdgfan on Nov 4, 2019 5:25:36 GMT -8
Has it been stated anywhere when these might be due? It's getting harder all the time to plan orders when everything is delayed and then everything comes right at the end of the year at Christmas time. I would like to order some of these, but I already have a ton of stuff on pre order. Can't pay for everything all at once.
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Post by rapidobill on Nov 4, 2019 6:04:37 GMT -8
Not sure how that got left off the web page...
You have some time. We're still very early in the design process and will be taking orders through May 22. Production likely to be sometime in the summer of 2020.
Bill
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 6:07:43 GMT -8
Has it been stated anywhere when these might be due? It's getting harder all the time to plan orders when everything is delayed and then everything comes right at the end of the year at Christmas time. I would like to order some of these, but I already have a ton of stuff on pre order. Can't pay for everything all at once.
Best suggestion / idea is to set up a separate bank account and when you pre-order an item start putting the money into that account for the purchase. That way it doesn't matter when it arrives, or if everything arrives at once, you have already "payed" for it and don't have sudden financial issues.
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Post by riogrande on Nov 4, 2019 7:05:22 GMT -8
Has it been stated anywhere when these might be due? It's getting harder all the time to plan orders when everything is delayed and then everything comes right at the end of the year at Christmas time. I would like to order some of these, but I already have a ton of stuff on pre order. Can't pay for everything all at once. Best suggestion / idea is to set up a separate bank account and when you pre-order an item start putting the money into that account for the purchase. That way it doesn't matter when it arrives, or if everything arrives at once, you have already "payed" for it and don't have sudden financial issues.
I'm sort of doing that right now to help cover anticipated cost of the next run of SDP40F's, which will have a higher price than the previous runs, thanks to Athearn waiting until the 4th run to do the icicle breaker versoins. But, setting aside funds only goes so far if production of needed models outstrips disposable income.
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Post by mdvle on Dec 22, 2020 9:59:47 GMT -8
Rapido have posted some early tooling test sample photos of an A and B unit to Twitter
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Post by jonklein611 on Apr 2, 2021 7:56:35 GMT -8
Rapido posted another sample:
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Post by lvrr325 on Apr 2, 2021 10:59:52 GMT -8
These things really are better than brass when they're right.
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Post by riogrande on Apr 2, 2021 16:24:46 GMT -8
That SP PA looks nice!
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Post by mdvle on Apr 6, 2021 16:19:44 GMT -8
Rapido's YouTube video featuring the PA's on Bill's layout, including a head on collision.
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Apr 6, 2021 19:00:20 GMT -8
Nice.
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