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Post by westerntrains on Oct 27, 2019 11:19:20 GMT -8
Raipdo is doing the SP versions in Daylight and Bloody Nose. These are late versions with snow plows.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 12:15:41 GMT -8
I have to say I'm a little disappointed. Not in the announcement but in the format of the website. If I look at it on my desktop it shows $685 for DCC/Sound A/B sets and if I look at it on my phone it says $625. I build all of the newsletters for Spring Creek Model Trains and use Rapido's site for information. Hard to do when the information is constantly changing. Also, the part numbers are not always correct. For instance they have the same part numbers listed for both A/B sets of bloody nose PA/PB's.
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Post by SOMECALLMETIM on Oct 27, 2019 12:32:06 GMT -8
Matt, The A/B sets are showing $695 for me. I have to say I'm a little disappointed. Not in the announcement but in the format of the website. If I look at it on my desktop it shows $685 for DCC/Sound A/B sets and if I look at it on my phone it says $625. I build all of the newsletters for Spring Creek Model Trains and use Rapido's site for information. Hard to do when the information is constantly changing. Also, the part numbers are not always correct. For instance they have the same part numbers listed for both A/B sets of bloody nose PA/PB's. Matt . |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 12:34:25 GMT -8
Matt, The A/B sets are showing $695 for me. I have to say I'm a little disappointed. Not in the announcement but in the format of the website. If I look at it on my desktop it shows $685 for DCC/Sound A/B sets and if I look at it on my phone it says $625. I build all of the newsletters for Spring Creek Model Trains and use Rapido's site for information. Hard to do when the information is constantly changing. Also, the part numbers are not always correct. For instance they have the same part numbers listed for both A/B sets of bloody nose PA/PB's. Matt . Oh good, a third price! |
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Post by cemr5396 on Oct 27, 2019 12:36:40 GMT -8
Matt, The A/B sets are showing $695 for me. . Oh good, a third price! It's showing $625 for A/B sets for me. (on desktop) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 13:38:48 GMT -8
So I can't post a video of my screen but when I initially open the PA/PB screen it defaults to DCC/Sound at $385. I click DC Silent and it shows $225 and changes the part number. If I then click DCC Sound again, it shows $335. Unfortunately, this phenomenon doesn't continue or else I would be able to get an outstandingly low (and painfully low for Jason) price.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 13:42:35 GMT -8
So I can't post a video of my screen but when I initially open the PA/PB screen it defaults to DCC/Sound at $385. I click DC Silent and it shows $225 and changes the part number. If I then click DCC Sound again, it shows $335. Unfortunately, this phenomenon doesn't continue or else I would be able to get an outstandingly low (and painfully low for Jason) price.
It almost sounds like the website is having problems correctly serving up the US$ and C$ prices.
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Post by Judge Doom on Oct 27, 2019 14:27:15 GMT -8
What's interesting is these are going to come with TCS DCC/sound decoders (presumably some WOW Sound variant).
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 27, 2019 15:18:54 GMT -8
What's interesting is these are going to come with TCS DCC/sound decoders (presumably some WOW Sound variant). Just after they have trouble with the V5 Loksound. Interesting. Ed |
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Post by Chad on Oct 27, 2019 15:47:15 GMT -8
Looks pretty straight forward to me. AB set DCC Sound $695.00CAD and $625.00USD. SP Bloody Nose set for me for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 15:52:30 GMT -8
Looks pretty straight forward to me. AB set DCC Sound $695.00CAD and $625.00USD. SP Bloody Nose set for me for sure. They didn't have it that straight forward before. Looks like they've worked out the issues and made it easier to read. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 15:57:03 GMT -8
Looks pretty straight forward to me. AB set DCC Sound $695.00CAD and $625.00USD. SP Bloody Nose set for me for sure.
That isn't the original page, they have had to put up a temporary page given the issues the original page apparently was having.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 27, 2019 16:21:31 GMT -8
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Post by stevewagner on Oct 27, 2019 16:58:36 GMT -8
10:08 p.m., EST I've Just now saw Rapido's latest newsletter, e-mailed to me and presumably many others about 3 p.m. this afternoon. This has more accurate info on what loco types and paint schemes are in the first run of PA's and PB's than what I posted a little over an hour ago. Sojry for having posted what I did earlier, which I'm now taking dow.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 19:50:48 GMT -8
What's interesting is these are going to come with TCS DCC/sound decoders (presumably some WOW Sound variant). They can put in whatever sound decoder from what ever manufacturer they want, I won't buy it. It's a known fact that a 16-244 does not exist in the real world, anywhere! And no manipulation of other sound recordings will ever produce the right sound. So whatever slop they think that they are going to try and pull off, ain't gonna work, unless you like 'noise'. The only sound that will ever be correct for ANY PA will be the post MK rebuilds for the D&H. They had 12-251's, as what Doyle has in his NKP PA, and that's it. Greg |
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Post by theengineshed on Oct 27, 2019 20:04:16 GMT -8
It's a known fact that a 16-244 does not exist in the real world, anywhere! And no manipulation of other sound recordings will ever produce the right sound. How much experience do you have manipulating sound files? Surely you must be a subject matter expert in the field to make such a bold statement? |
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Post by godzilla on Oct 27, 2019 20:23:36 GMT -8
PA's are going to be very nice but not modern enough for me plus the price is too high for me.
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Post by westerntrains on Oct 27, 2019 21:00:04 GMT -8
I have read many comments about Rapido lately. I have not see any personal attacks against anyone.
The accuracy of the models have been discussed and the practice of not pointng out known inaccuracies and compromises.
Maybe Rapido considers their models an extension of theselves.
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Post by cp6027 on Oct 27, 2019 21:30:07 GMT -8
Don't need any PAs but they are making a new run of New-Look buses, including the Winnipeg Transit 47 Transcona Downtown bus that I spent way too much time riding as a youth! Awesome! One for the display case since it is difficult to justify such a bus being in the small prairie towns on my layout.
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Post by riogrande on Oct 28, 2019 2:52:43 GMT -8
The PA's are out of my modeling time period but I have to say it's nice that an HQ version is being done. I still have a LL PA I bought years ago for a one off Yampa Valley Mail train. Being an SP fan the bloody nose PA's look very cool. Kinda tempting.
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Post by littlejoee76 on Oct 28, 2019 4:14:59 GMT -8
But still a deafening silence on the EP5s. Fixing the RS18s has surely diverted attention but it's a worry that there's not been any progress reports so far. Neill Horton
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Post by brakie on Oct 28, 2019 4:16:59 GMT -8
I always like the looks of those long nose PAs but, I also thought they looked like a FA on steroids. LOL! I have no need for passenger units on a ISL.
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Post by jonklein611 on Oct 28, 2019 4:42:23 GMT -8
But still a deafening silence on the EP5s. Fixing the RS18s has surely diverted attention but it's a worry that there's not been any progress reports so far. Neill Horton From the website: Note: We are modifying the pantograph control mechanism. Once the modification is complete, we will give a 3-week notice for the order deadline |
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Post by lvrr325 on Oct 28, 2019 4:47:35 GMT -8
I sold an old brass set for like $125 last winter.
These are nice but they're too expensive for impulse buyers. Particularly since they will likely result in a percentage of the Proto ones being dumped for cheap.
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Post by cp9002 on Oct 28, 2019 5:02:14 GMT -8
I don’t have any WOW decoders so I have a few questions. Are the PA WOW decoders going to have more than one prime mover sound on them like the regular WOW decoders? Is there going to be a 12 cylinder 251 sound for D&H fans? If doesn’t have a 251 sound or TCS comes out with a better sound later on, it’s it possible to change the sound on the decoder to a new sound? What kind of plug are the DC models going to have?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 5:37:24 GMT -8
But still a deafening silence on the EP5s. Fixing the RS18s has surely diverted attention but it's a worry that there's not been any progress reports so far. Neill Horton
They are currently indicating Spring 2020 (so 2nd Quarter 2020), though like any model train manufacturer that schedule is only an estimate.
Anyone following them on Facebook would have seen their display track for photos now has catenary.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 5:42:05 GMT -8
What's interesting is these are going to come with TCS DCC/sound decoders (presumably some WOW Sound variant). They can put in whatever sound decoder from what ever manufacturer they want, I won't buy it. It's a known fact that a 16-244 does not exist in the real world, anywhere! And no manipulation of other sound recordings will ever produce the right sound. So whatever slop they think that they are going to try and pull off, ain't gonna work, unless you like 'noise'. The only sound that will ever be correct for ANY PA will be the post MK rebuilds for the D&H. They had 12-251's, as what Doyle has in his NKP PA, and that's it.
I always find it amusing when people can judge so definitely on an item that hasn't been released yet, whether it be a movie, book, or now a sound decoder for a model train.
Yes, the 16-244 no longer exists, however I have to assume that sound recordings do exist and can provide a source to either use or base off of (and this won't be a first time for Rapido, the UA Turbotrain no longer exists either).
So perhaps at least wait until there is an actual example (and based on Rapido's current track record we can expect a YouTube video before the order deadline) and then make a judgement?
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Post by sd80mac on Oct 28, 2019 5:52:28 GMT -8
I suspect they went with TCS because they must have a recording of or have a recording of something very similar to a 16-244. Personally, I would've preferred they stayed with ESU, but it doesn't sound like they will be abandoning them at least.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 6:30:20 GMT -8
I suspect they went with TCS because they must have a recording of or have a recording of something very similar to a 16-244. Personally, I would've preferred they stayed with ESU, but it doesn't sound like they will be abandoning them at least. Maybe there was some factory or boat that had a 16-244 that they recorded in Zimbabwe or something. It’s a long shot, but it’s possible. |
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Post by brakie on Oct 28, 2019 6:31:57 GMT -8
They can put in whatever sound decoder from what ever manufacturer they want, I won't buy it. It's a known fact that a 16-244 does not exist in the real world, anywhere! And no manipulation of other sound recordings will ever produce the right sound. So whatever slop they think that they are going to try and pull off, ain't gonna work, unless you like 'noise'. The only sound that will ever be correct for ANY PA will be the post MK rebuilds for the D&H. They had 12-251's, as what Doyle has in his NKP PA, and that's it.
I always find it amusing when people can judge so definitely on an item that hasn't been released yet, whether it be a movie, book, or now a sound decoder for a model train.
Yes, the 16-244 no longer exists, however I have to assume that sound recordings do exist and can provide a source to either use or base off of (and this won't be a first time for Rapido, the UA Turbotrain no longer exists either).
So perhaps at least wait until there is an actual example (and based on Rapido's current track record we can expect a YouTube video before the order deadline) and then make a judgement?
Just for general knowledge there was 33 1/3 records of diesel locomotives so, the 16-244s sound may be possible. |
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