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Post by prr on Jul 12, 2022 14:22:13 GMT -8
Hey everyone. NEW MEMBER - I Don't bite. But PENNSY's sharks do.
The Pennsylvania Railroad built Numerous types of sharknoses,but I think the most notable is the BP20.
There were 18 Sharknose A units built and 9 B units ordered . These engines were originally ordered as BP3s and were later renamed the BP20s. However, Baldwin considered these DR-6-4-2000 Engines and they were thus called 606SC-engined DR-6-4-2000 locomotives. Pennsylvania called them BP20s as they were Baldwin Passenger, 2,000 horsepower.
I know that they were used on The Broadway Limited. However, I don't know what year.
Any Ideas?
What other trains did they serve?
Thanks,
-PENNSY... PENNSY. PENNSY... RR
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jul 12, 2022 16:19:07 GMT -8
Hey, Pennsy guy. Welcome. I had a buddy who thought Sharks and I1s's were the BEST. Not a bad viewpoint, at all. I don't know any Pennsy steam guys, here. If no one turns up, I suggest taking your questions over to this group: prr.groups.io/g/PRRI'm in a bunch of these railroad specific groups, and they can be VERY helpful. And friendly. Ed |
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Post by drsvelte on Jul 12, 2022 17:28:50 GMT -8
In addition to Ed’s good referral, please check the Pennsylvania Railroad Techinical and Historical Society site- prrths.org/. It really is THE repository of all things PRR and they publish a fine quarterly modeling e-zine – The Keystone Modeler.The BP20s were indeed great looking passenger locomotives. I think ALCO Models may have imported brass renditions many years ago.  |
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Post by dti406 on Jul 12, 2022 18:21:27 GMT -8
In addition to Ed’s good referral, please check the Pennsylvania Railroad Techinical and Historical Society site- prrths.org/. It really is THE repository of all things PRR and they publish a fine quarterly modeling e-zine – The Keystone Modeler.The BP20s were indeed great looking passenger locomotives. I think ALCO Models may have imported brass renditions many years ago. So did Oriental, with many different paint schemes, these run beautifully! _IMG_1256.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) By the way they did not last long on the Broadway, the more reliable E7's and E8's were used on the Broadway and the BP20's were relegated to lesser named trains like the Manhattan Limited and St. Louisan along with mail and express duties and eventually ended up on the NY & LB at Bay Head for commuter service. Rick Jesionowski |
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Post by prr on Jul 12, 2022 20:28:58 GMT -8
Thanks... PRRTHS is great... I haven't heard of the other groups,but I will look into them.
I'll have to research the Manhattan Limited and St. Louisan. -More pennsy knowledge to be acquired by the day!
P.S: anyone ever worked with any of the Miracle casting shells/ kits?
I know that a long time ago they made a shell for the BP20.
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Post by theengineshed on Jul 13, 2022 15:34:27 GMT -8
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Post by prr on Jul 13, 2022 20:40:44 GMT -8
Those Alco Models Bp20s look really nice. Time for some Scalecoat?
I read just recently (today actually) that the BP20s prime year was 1949' when assigned to the Broadway Limited.
I need to ask a buddy I met recently what the 49' consist looked like. Also now have limited access to PRRTHS... Thanks to those who suggested
I wonder how the 53 consist compares. According to Train.web the 53 and 49' varied a little.
Here is the 53' consist:
Power: GG1 (4935) or E7 A/B (7040/ 7042)
Cars: Some variation of
(ATSF 4-4-2), (10 rmt-5 dbr), (21 roomette),(12 duplex-4 dbr1),(4 comp-4 dbr-2 draw),(bar lounge), (3 dbr diner) ,(kitchen dormitory), (4 comp-4 dbr-2 draw)
,(10 rmt-6 dbr), (observation-2 mbr).
I modeled the 53' Broadway Limited with Walthers and I think it would be cool to take what I have and make it a 49'. With SHARKS...
THE SUMMARY FOR A PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD VERSION OF JAWS:
WHEN A KILLER BP20 SHARK UNLEASHES CHAOS ON A MODEL RAILROAD COMMUNITY, IT's up to the ATLAS RESCUE FORUM'S MEMBERS' TO DISCOVER IT'S HISTORY!!!
I'm sorry for my odd ideas of humor
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Post by typhoon on Jul 14, 2022 7:11:08 GMT -8
Hey everyone. NEW MEMBER - I Don't bite. But PENNSY's sharks do.
The Pennsylvania Railroad built Numerous types of sharknoses,but I think the most notable is the BP20. There were 18 Sharknose A units built and 9 B units ordered . These engines were originally ordered as BP3s and were later renamed the BP20s. However, Baldwin considered these DR-6-4-2000 Engines and they were thus called 606SC-engined DR-6-4-2000 locomotives. Pennsylvania called them BP20s as they were Baldwin Passenger, 2,000 horsepower. I know that they were used on The Broadway Limited. However, I don't know what year. Any Ideas? What other trains did they serve? Thanks, -PENNSY... PENNSY. PENNSY... RR Many spent the last couple of years in service on the New York & Long Branch commuter trains. |
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Post by Baikal on Jul 14, 2022 8:49:57 GMT -8
Nice photo of DR-6-4-2000 (Baldwin's designation) #5774B in fresh paint looking looooong:
5773 nose & cab at speed, a bit ragged in 1964. I think these were de-rated to 1600 hp around 1960(?):
Too bad these didn't make it into Penn Central paint. Imagine that.
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Post by typhoon on Jul 15, 2022 7:32:31 GMT -8
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Post by NS4122 on Jul 15, 2022 14:57:29 GMT -8
When Jerry Britton (PRRT&HS) used to have a yearly survey of what PRR modelers would like to see produced by the model train manufacturers, The BP20 was always on or near the top of the list for diesels. BTW, the de-rated 1600HP freight versions were reclassified as BF16z.
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Post by brucearcher on Nov 6, 2023 7:44:03 GMT -8
Hi All!
I grew up along the NY and Long Branch RR ( jointly owned by the CNJ and PRR). So I got to see CNJ Trainmasters, F-Units, Baby-Face units and the storied "Shore Builder" with all of those ex-Great Northern and BN passenger cars. But The line was also used by the PRR to dump locos at the end of their lives and unloved units. So I did see PRR K-4s, PAs, BP20s and other PRR freight and passenger oddities. The "Big" blue came into being and then NJT and all of the uniqueness of the NY &LB went away.....
Bruce
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Post by slowfreight on Nov 20, 2023 12:47:09 GMT -8
Hi All! I grew up along the NY and Long Branch RR ( jointly owned by the CNJ and PRR). So I got to see CNJ Trainmasters, F-Units, Baby-Face units and the storied "Shore Builder" with all of those ex-Great Northern and BN passenger cars. But The line was also used by the PRR to dump locos at the end of their lives and unloved units. So I did see PRR K-4s, PAs, BP20s and other PRR freight and passenger oddities. The "Big" blue came into being and then NJT and all of the uniqueness of the NY &LB went away..... Bruce My connection to the NY&LB is tenuous at best, but the Jersey Builder was so cool that I eventually broke down and modeled it. |
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Post by wagnersteve on Dec 9, 2023 8:29:05 GMT -8
Dec. 9, 2023, about 11:23 a.m., EST
Bruce and slow freight, did either of you see GG1s working on the New York & Long Branch?
Having lived only a few blocks away from the PRR's New York Division in northeast Philadelphia until I was seven and in a suburb just west of Philly for years afterward, I saw a lot of them in action. Since I've ridden the Northeast Corridor more than any other rail line except on commuter trains, I still feel a bit disappointed when I wait to board a train at Philly's 30th Street Station -- and I haven't done that for several years now -- because I know that it will be pulled by "some other locomotive".
I have lots of PRR freight cars, some passenger cars, and a loco or two. But I mostly model the D&H -- which I also rode many times back in the 1950s and early 1960s -- and the B&M.
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Post by hudsonyard on Dec 9, 2023 10:01:27 GMT -8
I operated on Larry Reynolds excellent horseshoe curve layout recently and he had a set of these that were re-motored with the guts from proto E-units, ran fantastic and looked cool leading train 70 down the hill from AR.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Dec 9, 2023 18:31:26 GMT -8
Baldwin Sharks are just sooooooo cool. Especially the big ones. Like those above.
Really tempting to try to buy more of something I officially don't need.
Ed
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