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Post by slowfreight on Aug 15, 2022 7:15:53 GMT -8
Thinking practically about what has never before been done on other models, the only thing I can think of are photo etched long hood doors or complete photo etched sides. Of course Arrowhead already has metal sides on their gondola, so I’m sure they are aware of that. And there is also this recently announced NW H9 hopper kit which appears to be all brass and nickel silver. Neat (and expensive) kit! HO Scale Norfolk & Western H-9 Hopper Kit Thanks, Mark I get that it's not 2012 any more, so prices have shot up. But for the quantity of coal hoppers it takes to do anything in model form, it seems to me that manufacturers really need to find a way to keep 24 packs on the order of $40 a car or less. Can that even be possible on a new release in the 2020s? |
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Post by Baikal on Aug 15, 2022 7:45:56 GMT -8
Thinking practically about what has never before been done on other models, the only thing I can think of are photo etched long hood doors or complete photo etched sides. Of course Arrowhead already has metal sides on their gondola, so I’m sure they are aware of that. And there is also this recently announced NW H9 hopper kit which appears to be all brass and nickel silver. Neat (and expensive) kit! HO Scale Norfolk & Western H-9 Hopper KitThanks, Mark
$90 does not include trucks or couplers. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 15, 2022 7:46:06 GMT -8
Nickel-silver?
Why?
Ed
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Post by Donnell Wells on Aug 15, 2022 15:04:32 GMT -8
Please stay on topic. If you want to discuss the LEADVILLE DESIGNS hopper, start a new thread.
Thanks,
Donnell
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Post by loco8107 on Aug 16, 2022 5:46:34 GMT -8
I know they’ve done the GP40-2 recently for CR but not sure about the standard 40- the ones done years ago incorrectly had blue around and on the steps but was correctly done in black on the 38’s oddly. Still a good model. I like the Atlas motors but let’s see what these will be like. The former Conrail GP40's that D&RGW purchased 2nd hand in 1984 were painted in a darker Rio Grande orange and have been offered in 2 road numbers and an unnumbered version around 14 years ago and then Athearn re-ran them again in two new road numbers a few years ago. They were former Conrail GP40's. Rio Grande never bought any 2nd hand GP40-2's. Correct but I was just mentioning the CR 40’s Atlas did had some errors. |
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Post by loco8107 on Aug 16, 2022 5:47:12 GMT -8
The former Conrail GP40's that D&RGW purchased 2nd hand in 1984 were painted in a darker Rio Grande orange and have been offered in 2 road numbers and an unnumbered version around 14 years ago and then Athearn re-ran them again in two new road numbers a few years ago. They were former Conrail GP40's. Rio Grande never bought any 2nd hand GP40-2's. Correct but I was just mentioning the CR painted 40’s Atlas had an obvious paint error. |
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Post by trainboyy on Aug 17, 2022 15:32:52 GMT -8
Continuing our exploration of the new offering, let's now have a look at the UP one they're doing: UP 1342. UP 1342 DOES exist. Except that it's really a GP40-2, the former D&RGW 3116, built September 1974. Ed  Considering the rest of them are correct.. it might've been a simple error of accidentally picking a GP40-2 number (13-1400s) instead of a GP40 number (900s). |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Aug 17, 2022 16:21:50 GMT -8
Continuing our exploration of the new offering, let's now have a look at the UP one they're doing: UP 1342. UP 1342 DOES exist. Except that it's really a GP40-2, the former D&RGW 3116, built September 1974. Ed Considering the rest of them are correct.. I guess you missed my comments about the BNSF GP40. Looking at a current UP roster, I see nothing in a 900 group that would pass for a GP40. Ed |
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Post by runs2waynoka on Aug 17, 2022 20:28:00 GMT -8
They very likely intend to do some of those ex SP/SSW MK rebuilt GP40M-2s that are in GP40 bodies. Those are scattered around the regular GP40-2s in the 1300-1500 series, and are still active today.
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Post by sgoti on Aug 18, 2022 2:46:27 GMT -8
They very likely intend to do some of those ex SP/SSW MK rebuilt GP40M-2s that are in GP40 bodies. Those are scattered around the regular GP40-2s in the 1300-1500 series, and are still active today. Except those had dynamic brakes. The artwork shows a non-dynamic unit. UP had plenty of non-dynamic units of various Rock Island and MKT heritages. |
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Post by cprengineer on Nov 26, 2023 14:59:07 GMT -8
Is there any new news on the Class One GP40's? I just looked at their website, and the locomotives are gone.
Marty
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Post by oldmuley on Nov 26, 2023 17:19:26 GMT -8
You got me all excited when I saw this revived thread. Sadly I can't find any evidence of the GP40's on their website either.
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Post by unittrain on Nov 27, 2023 4:10:47 GMT -8
They may have got wind of Rapido doing one and scrapped the plan its been a bit and no word either way 🤔
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Post by lyonwonder on Nov 27, 2023 19:38:02 GMT -8
They may have got wind of Rapido doing one and scrapped the plan its been a bit and no word either way 🤔 That's my line of thought too. |
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Post by tony on Nov 27, 2023 22:59:03 GMT -8
Class One Models got rapidoed. But, they should continue the project if they have confidence in their design plan. They just need to have their own factory so they can control the design, quality and outcomes to their specifications and customer delights.
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Post by riogrande on Nov 28, 2023 5:36:10 GMT -8
I had emailed ClassOneModelWorks about this time last year and this was the response: "The GP40 is in the works and will likely be available for preorder late next year. We'll keep you updated!"
Well, it's late "next year" and so far only crickets.
I did reach out again last June - response: "The GP40 is in production but still a little way out. It is going to be a very neat model when it comes out! We are excited! We'll keep you informed"
I've sent another email this morning asking if they are still planning to offer the GP40. Will let you know what response I get back.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Nov 28, 2023 6:15:52 GMT -8
You got me all excited when I saw this revived thread. Sadly I can't find any evidence of the GP40's on their website either. It's still there. classonemodelworks.com/new/ |
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Post by tony on Nov 28, 2023 7:55:44 GMT -8
Why is the auto parts box car available for preorder now, but the GP40 that was announced last year is not? I doubt there will be a C1M GP40.
The auto parts are listed at $59.99. Just saw ModelTrainStuff.com selling Tangent auto parts cars for $25.00. Others are attempting to off load these at $39.98.
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Post by gevohogger on Nov 28, 2023 8:02:41 GMT -8
The auto parts are listed at $59.99. Just saw ModelTrainStuff.com selling Tangent auto parts cars for $25.00. Others are attempting to off load these at $39.98. Supply has apparently caught up with demand. Not everyone needs very many 86 foot boxcars; technically most people don't need any of them at all. |
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Post by GP40P-2 on Nov 28, 2023 8:07:44 GMT -8
The auto parts are listed at $59.99. Just saw ModelTrainStuff.com selling Tangent auto parts cars for $25.00. Others are attempting to off load these at $39.98. Supply has apparently caught up with demand. Not everyone needs very many 86 foot boxcars; technically most people don't need any of them at all. Finally some one says the un-say-able. The 86s are great models, but unless you operate at a club or have a huge layout.... |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 28, 2023 8:19:40 GMT -8
It's sorta like those Boeing boxes on flat cars. Most people don't NEED any, because they didn't show up on their prototype. Those of us modeling the PNW, however, are usually very interested in them. Got me several.
Same goes for the big boxes.
As far as I can tell, the only 86 foot boxes that traveled on the old SP&S lines were a few BN ones, that were in paper or plastic service. One of which I have on order from the company under discussion. I passed on the very attractive Tangent one because THAT one appeared to be in auto service, only.
Ed
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Post by riogrande on Nov 28, 2023 8:21:53 GMT -8
Why is the auto parts box car available for preorder now, but the GP40 that was announced last year is not? I doubt there will be a C1M GP40. The auto parts are listed at $59.99. Just saw ModelTrainStuff.com selling Tangent auto parts cars for $25.00. Others are attempting to off load these at $39.98. Wait, what? C1M is offering the same Thrall 86' auto parts cars that ScaleTrains was offering for pre-order? As for the Tangent 86' Greenville on MBK, Tangent stopped working with MBK and those are the few that are left in inventory and MBK is blowing them out. I think it was only PRR left. |
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Post by gevohogger on Nov 28, 2023 8:26:52 GMT -8
Supply has apparently caught up with demand. Not everyone needs very many 86 foot boxcars; technically most people don't need any of them at all. Finally some one says the un-say-able. The 86s are great models, but unless you operate at a club or have a huge layout.... Oh, I've said it before. They're cool cars, of course, but for a lot of us the only reason to get one is for the novelty factor.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 28, 2023 9:08:42 GMT -8
Wait, what? C1M is offering the same Thrall 86' auto parts cars that ScaleTrains was offering for pre-order? But theirs will be in BN. Ed |
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Post by riogrande on Nov 28, 2023 9:12:37 GMT -8
Wait, what? C1M is offering the same Thrall 86' auto parts cars that ScaleTrains was offering for pre-order? But theirs will be in BN. Ed Aye. Quad door in this case. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 28, 2023 9:44:26 GMT -8
The Class One BN cars were in the series 395051-395055--only five cars. They do not appear in my January 1976 ORER. They do appear in my April 1980 ORER, with the note that they transport "plastic". I don't know what kind or for whom. And I don't know the routes. I do know I've got a picture or two of these in my "neighborhood".
BN also had some of these big cars with the note "paper". I can't imagine what lightweight paper products would be used in car assembly.
So I think these five cars were assigned to non-automotive plastics transport.
Ed
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Nov 28, 2023 10:58:58 GMT -8
But theirs will be in BN. Ed Aye. Quad door in this case. Please don't confuse things! Both ScaleTrains and Class One are doing double-door Thralls, though Class One erroneously (following Uncle Irv, I think) calls them 4-door cars. If that's what you meant, please use double-door. If you mean what Uncle Irv called 8-door, use quad-door. 86' boxcars are no different than their smaller cousins: the quad/double/single nomenclature refers to the number of doors per side. |
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Post by riogrande on Nov 28, 2023 11:00:41 GMT -8
Aye. Quad door in this case. Please don't confuse things! Both ScaleTrains and Class One are doing double-door Thralls, though Class One erroneously (following Uncle Irv, I think) calls them 4-door cars. If that's what you meant, please use double-door, or if you really must, the 4-door term. If you mean what Uncle Irv called 8-door, use quad-door. 86' boxcars are no different than their smaller cousins: the quad/double/single nomenclature refers to the number of doors per side. I think Tangent was calling those with 2 sets of doors on each side quads, no? |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Nov 28, 2023 11:03:35 GMT -8
Please don't confuse things! Both ScaleTrains and Class One are doing double-door Thralls, though Class One erroneously (following Uncle Irv, I think) calls them 4-door cars. If that's what you meant, please use double-door, or if you really must, the 4-door term. If you mean what Uncle Irv called 8-door, use quad-door. 86' boxcars are no different than their smaller cousins: the quad/double/single nomenclature refers to the number of doors per side. I think Tangent was calling those with 2 sets of doors on each side quads, no? Yes, exactly. Note, I edited my post to remove the "or if you really must, the 4-door term". James Kinkaid, who I think is qualified as a freight-car expert, uses 4-door to refer to a PS boxcar with 2 sets of double-doors on each side in his book, Pullman-Standard Colour Guide to Freight Equipment in at least one caption. |
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Post by riogrande on Nov 28, 2023 11:36:23 GMT -8
So ScaleTrains and ClassOne are both running Thrall auto parts cars. From what I recall, the ScaleTrains ATSF were not correct, at least for the road numbers they were doing. I guess the up-side is there are a few different road names being offered. I don't need many but wanted to mix a few Thralls in with the Tangent Greenvilles and Walthers Pullman Standard.
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