cklx
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Post by cklx on Jan 17, 2023 5:47:19 GMT -8
Guys, Not sure if anyone is waiting for this, but the German manufacturer Märklin has announced an ES44AC in h0 scale. DC versions are offered by Trix. They will also be offering a 12 car set of modern coal hoppers. Pages from the German "Neuheiten" catalog:     Weblinks: 1st road #2nd road #Coal hoppers: 12-packCornelius. |
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Post by middledivision on Jan 17, 2023 8:00:43 GMT -8
Looks like an old Bachmann Spectrum.
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Post by simulatortrain on Jan 17, 2023 8:41:06 GMT -8
I for one am glad to see someone finally tackling the ES44AC.
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Post by gevohogger on Jan 17, 2023 9:40:58 GMT -8
It was a toss-up between that and the EMD F7. ES44AC won the coin toss.
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Post by es80ac on Jan 17, 2023 9:42:27 GMT -8
How do they expect this to compete with Scaletrains and Athearn Genesis version? or even Broadway and Walthers?
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Post by trainguy99 on Jan 17, 2023 9:43:25 GMT -8
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Post by Baikal on Jan 17, 2023 10:16:05 GMT -8
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Jan 17, 2023 10:21:49 GMT -8
The giant slot in the pilot and snowplow is the cherry on top.
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abm
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Post by abm on Jan 17, 2023 11:08:44 GMT -8
Looks like an old Bachmann Spectrum. I was kinda thinking older Kato? The huge coupler opening notwithstanding... |
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Post by 12bridge on Jan 17, 2023 11:25:18 GMT -8
How do they expect this to compete with Scaletrains and Athearn Genesis version? or even Broadway and Walthers? Easily. Totally different market.. |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jan 17, 2023 11:54:28 GMT -8
So how many different HO scale models of the ES44AC are there now? Google knows of: - Athearn Genesis (former Tower 55?)
- Bachmann
- Broadway Limited
- Intermountain
- MTH (now also ScaleTrains?)
- ScaleTrains (Rivet Counter and Operator)
- Walthers Mainline
and Did I miss any?  So this is, what, the 8th RTR model in plastic, and 9th RTR model overall?! |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jan 17, 2023 11:57:55 GMT -8
And apparently not a rehash of any existing tooling but a completely new model: "Komplette Neukonstruktion".
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Post by 12bridge on Jan 17, 2023 12:03:25 GMT -8
Tower 55
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Post by thmy on Jan 17, 2023 12:22:07 GMT -8
This looks very similar to MTH. I think I'll wait to see the product in person or video before making decisions but I'm leaning pass.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jan 17, 2023 12:32:19 GMT -8
If you're running three-rail HO, you're buying Marklin.
Ed
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cklx
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Post by cklx on Jan 17, 2023 13:20:07 GMT -8
The giant slot in the pilot and snowplow is the cherry on top. As I understand they will offer two pilots. One for the big standard Märklin coupler and one for a KD-style coupler. Cornelius. |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jan 17, 2023 14:08:29 GMT -8
If you're running three-rail HO, you're buying Marklin. Ed MTH made a 3-rail version of theirs. See mthtrains.com/80-2320-5 for example. Of course availability is a whole other thing. But it was available at some point, and maybe still available on the secondhand market. |
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Post by cemr5396 on Jan 17, 2023 15:46:24 GMT -8
If you're running three-rail HO, you're buying Marklin. Ed MTH made a 3-rail version of theirs. See mthtrains.com/80-2320-5 for example. Of course availability is a whole other thing. But it was available at some point, and maybe still available on the secondhand market. and on first look, it looks WAY better than this turd. |
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Post by cera2254 on Jan 17, 2023 16:10:18 GMT -8
This certainly is for the Marklin 3 rail market. With the Scaletrains and Athearn Genesis versions why have another?
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unit
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Post by unit on Jan 17, 2023 18:20:11 GMT -8
Looks like they are also doing a set of five bay rapid discharge hoppers, possibly RD-4's based on the picture. At a list price of nearly $50 per car and they come in a 12 car set. Ouch.
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 17, 2023 18:56:52 GMT -8
Maybe next they can do an F-unit.
it will sell in it's intended market, Europe, because guys there have 3 rail layouts already, and it will be easier to get there than the US market models are. The slot is because these layouts have sharp curves, some sharper than even 15" radius.
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Post by slowfreight on Jan 17, 2023 19:05:03 GMT -8
Marklin is a market we scale modelers will never understand.
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 17, 2023 19:55:08 GMT -8
I barely understand the market here and I sell in it.
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Post by hudsonyard on Jan 17, 2023 20:18:22 GMT -8
Marklin is a market we scale modelers will never understand.
One of the delivery drivers at an old job was a Marklin guy, bragged about a layout he wanted to build that was german equipment with northern minnesota scenery. liked to spend a lot of $$$.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jan 17, 2023 23:03:49 GMT -8
The funny thing is ESU sells an SD40-2 which is a
rebadged ScaleTrains model in a version that can run on 3-rails (or 2-rails with the removal of the pick-up shoes). They could potentially do a similar deal and sell a much better ES44AC.
Anyway, for better or worse, this model will sell — to the Märklin crowd — because it’s Märklin.
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Post by keystonefarm on Jan 18, 2023 16:42:20 GMT -8
How do they expect this to compete with Scaletrains and Athearn Genesis version? or even Broadway and Walthers? They don't !!! Marklin 3 rail users will buy it if they are into American railroads. Some US 2 railers users will buy it because it's Marklin and they do have the best and long lived mechanisms period. Interesting is the location of the gear tower between the two inside axles instead of the two outside axles. Would allow the unit to operate on smaller radius curves than the other makes. Glad to see Trix back alive again. Hoping they will do another run of the U-25c's --- Ken |
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Jan 18, 2023 18:36:31 GMT -8
As an American, I have a few European models, mostly as novelty items. I have no plans to be a serious modeler with them, but sometimes it's fun to run unique and unusual models, or bring them to the club and surprise your friends. I'd imagine there is a similar sentiment in Europe, but the 3-railers, which is pretty common in Germany and Central Europe, have mostly been shut out because of their track.
The ES44 is probably the most common locomotive in the US, so for Europeans, it's a good starting point if they want to model an American train. Unlike Piko's Krauss Maffei, I suspect this model is not really intended for US consumers. Some other members have pointed out features that lend it to smaller 'european' style layouts, similar to the design choices Kato makes with their coupler or truck mechanisms.
Marklin knows their market, and I don't think it's American rivet counters. I think these will sell, but 'we' might not really notice it since most of us probably don't know too many 3-railers.
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Post by lvrr325 on Jan 18, 2023 19:35:58 GMT -8
Rivarossi/Hornby had the U25C's.
Trix had some US type cars, a NYC style caboose, and a UP Big Boy IIRC
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jan 18, 2023 20:43:28 GMT -8
"The answer to a question nobody asked..."
...at least in English.
Ed
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Post by Baikal on Jan 18, 2023 21:08:54 GMT -8
Rivarossi/Hornby had the U25C's. Trix had some US type cars, a NYC style caboose, and a UP Big Boy IIRC
And a 2-8-2. Jim Six NYC-ized one & said it was a great plastic loco. TRIX makes a UP 40 ft alternative-center rivet car and a UP caboose.
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