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Post by lvrr325 on Feb 20, 2023 22:35:15 GMT -8
I saw a Facebook post that I have no way to link here, the folks at JJL Models have an Erie steel cupola caboose close to release. It's at the pre-order stage and they want to get enough pre-orders to get the cost to where they can sell them below $100 each.
I know that will please at least a couple guys here. You may still get just a kit at that price but the pictures looked really good.
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Post by keystonefarm on Feb 21, 2023 0:20:58 GMT -8
I would hope that this is the new owner or owners of JJL models. The original owner Joe Lofland whom I knew for years passed away a number of years ago. ------------ Ken
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Feb 21, 2023 3:56:49 GMT -8
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Feb 21, 2023 3:58:47 GMT -8
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Post by lvrr325 on Feb 21, 2023 4:32:15 GMT -8
You show me how to copy from PC a and post on PC b and I'll happily do it. |
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Post by gevohogger on Feb 21, 2023 4:47:28 GMT -8
Perhaps this will sate the demand for a proper Erie/EL caboose? We'd better send up the signal:  |
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Post by Christian on Feb 21, 2023 4:56:15 GMT -8
[SOOTHSAYER MODE ON] I see many more requests for EL cabooses in the future. [SOOTHSAYER MODE OFF]
Will the drumbeat now shift to the EL bay window cabeese?
Of course, there are also the channel sides.
And the, well, you get the picture.
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Post by wagnersteve on Feb 21, 2023 6:03:45 GMT -8
2/21/2023, nearly 9 a.m., EST.
It's Mardi Gras -- laissez les bontemps rouler! (I may have misspelled that -- my knowledge of French is quite poor.)
The forthcoming riveted Erie / EL / Conrail caboose looks very nice indeed. As a big fan of cabeese, in the best of all possible [?] worlds I'd pre-order one in its original Erie livery. Given a shortage of both funds and storage place, plus higher priorities both in my hobbies and in rather more serious parts of life, this won't be high on my "want" list.
I would still really welcome an improved version of the type of Erie/EL bay window caboose for which JJL Models had produced a kit, because my favorite railroad, the D&H, got at least one of those.
I did buy one of the kits for that type of bay window caboose but haven't gotten far with it. Finding and mounting more or less appropriate trucks was a problem. Painting will be another. I have no suitable place at home to use an airbrush, would have difficulty joining a model railroad club because of domestic responsibilities, and it's hard enough to get to a hobby shop or show even if one of those had a place where airbrushes could be rented and used. I can do a decent job of brush painting models of wood-sided cars with nontoxic paints, but models of steel-sided ones are another matter. I really enjoy building relatively simple but well detailed predecorated kits and have a large stockpile of them awaiting assembly, brush painting of parts with nontoxic paint and, in most cases, light weathering.
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Post by edgecrusher on Feb 21, 2023 6:56:43 GMT -8
Those look pretty fantastic, do they have a way to pre-order without using facebook?
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Feb 21, 2023 7:55:25 GMT -8
pretty decent looking model. Even as a 3D printed prototype it looks good. I know they want to cut molds, but a craftsman-style kit using printed parts would be pretty cool too. I'd take one of those prototype cars as-is.
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Post by middledivision on Feb 21, 2023 8:51:10 GMT -8
They said RTR and if they sell, the DL&W Keyser Valley Shops caboose could follow.
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Post by el3672 on Feb 21, 2023 9:48:06 GMT -8
These look fantastic!!! & I'm really stoked about these. Claiming these will be
same detail level as Athearn Genesis/ Tangent cabeese. Possible interior
lighting and lighted markers. I'm in for a couple spartan red and G/M/Y.
Welded version to possibly follow the initial riveted release.
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Post by danpik on Feb 21, 2023 11:36:18 GMT -8
I am friends with the brothers who own JL Innovative. They purchased the assets of JJL Models several years ago when Joe sadly passed away. Unfortunately, Unknown to them at the time some of the masters and molds were missing so the hopes of producing resin kits was put on hold. The idea was to then develop injection molds to offer these as plastic kit/models. Anyone who has worked in the injection molding industry knows how labor intensive an endeavor like this can be. Along the way they came across the opportunity to purchase JL Innovative, Durango Express, and Railway Express Miniatures. This put the caboose project on hold as they were busy getting the acquisitions moved to their home shop and back up and running.
Chris Costello did an incredible job setting up the 3d file for this project. I think the model is more accurate than the prototype, as he measured the location of every rivet and seam. He even went as far as measuring the rivet dimensions to get them as accurate as possible. My understanding is the plan is to get a feel for the quantities that may be wanted then work with a injection molder to produce the models partially in that shop and then do the finishing in their shop to release these as RTR models.
The displayed models are 3D resin prints that are very nice themselves. We even had one running on the modular layout a couple weeks ago.
Depending on the success of this project the welded version may be in the works.
Dan
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Post by GP40P-2 on Feb 21, 2023 13:05:57 GMT -8
Yes!
But please, please, please make a kit available.
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Post by danpik on Feb 21, 2023 15:07:20 GMT -8
I spoke with Chris after my previous post. He sent along the following info...
Send inquiries to: Preorder@costellomfg.com
Christopher Costello
Make sure to include name, address, telephone number, and which and how many of each...
3 numbers each
Erie, EL spartan red, El GMY
Conrail blue, Conrail MOW Grey
2 numbers of WAG
Dan
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Post by cera2254 on Feb 21, 2023 18:20:57 GMT -8
Not too many of these floating around on Conrail in blue paint, but nonetheless I put my order in for one. Excited to see these and will probably have to get a welded one if they end up doing those.
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Post by 12bridge on Feb 21, 2023 18:42:17 GMT -8
Damn good looking caboose and print, but those look to be printed end cages and grabs etc. I would never use prints for this stuff, especially on a caboose. They would never hold up.
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Post by cera2254 on Feb 21, 2023 19:17:38 GMT -8
Damn good looking caboose and print, but those look to be printed end cages and grabs etc. I would never use prints for this stuff, especially on a caboose. They would never hold up. The current model is a 3D printed version, they are going to injection mold the actual production models. |
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Post by danpik on Feb 22, 2023 3:35:24 GMT -8
Damn good looking caboose and print, but those look to be printed end cages and grabs etc. I would never use prints for this stuff, especially on a caboose. They would never hold up. The current model is a 3D printed version, they are going to injection mold the actual production models. As is indicated above... the final models will be injection molded with proper details per road. This will include the different end railings that each generation had based on the roads that acquired them. The 3D prints are just conceptual models to make sure everything works and fits properly. There has been a lot of interest in the HO ranks as well as interest in the N scale and O scale camps as well. Doubtful they will produce them in plastic unless enough interest warrants it. Maybe Resin prints for them on an as order basis. For now the concentration is on HO scale. Dan |
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Post by NYSW3614 on Feb 22, 2023 6:07:56 GMT -8
They said RTR and if they sell, the DL&W Keyser Valley Shops caboose could follow. OH NICE! I'd be in for probably a half dozen or so of these (RTR much preferred) and would be interested in welded/riveted options. I have two JJL cars- one built and one not that would need major work. Joshua ADDITION: PS if it matters, I have and would be interested in DL&W models tho would consider an EL and CR. I'll email them. |
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Post by 12bridge on Feb 22, 2023 6:19:36 GMT -8
The current model is a 3D printed version, they are going to injection mold the actual production models. As is indicated above... the final models will be injection molded with proper details per road. This will include the different end railings that each generation had based on the roads that acquired them. The 3D prints are just conceptual models to make sure everything works and fits properly. There has been a lot of interest in the HO ranks as well as interest in the N scale and O scale camps as well. Doubtful they will produce them in plastic unless enough interest warrants it. Maybe Resin prints for them on an as order basis. For now the concentration is on HO scale. Dan Excellent, I misread the initial post. |
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Post by schroed2 on Feb 22, 2023 7:19:17 GMT -8
The current model is a 3D printed version, they are going to injection mold the actual production models. As is indicated above... the final models will be injection molded with proper details per road. This will include the different end railings that each generation had based on the roads that acquired them. The 3D prints are just conceptual models to make sure everything works and fits properly. There has been a lot of interest in the HO ranks as well as interest in the N scale and O scale camps as well. Doubtful they will produce them in plastic unless enough interest warrants it. Maybe Resin prints for them on an as order basis. For now the concentration is on HO scale. Dan hmmm...(looking hard at the two resin kits in my drawer for the same prototype...will they suffer the same fate as the resin kits in the same drawer for the IC cabooses or the NYC cabooses that Tangent did or thise for the B&O cabooses from SMD? will I be able to get the new RTR models in Germany ?) |
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Post by alcoc430 on Feb 26, 2023 7:28:10 GMT -8
They do look nice, I had given up on these as they have been promising these for a long time. I would buy a welded CR version.
Coincidentally Two old JJL models caboose sold on ebay this past week for about $150 each.
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Post by cera2254 on Apr 6, 2024 18:38:14 GMT -8
Has anyone heard anything about these cabeese?
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Post by elfan on Apr 7, 2024 10:54:51 GMT -8
Has anyone heard anything about these cabeese? JJL had 3D printed pre production models at Springfield that looked awesome. Unfortunately after speaking with one of the Costello brothers, I don’t remember which one, I came away with the feeling these models will never see production. I even offered to pay a premium to have them print a number of the 3D pre production models, but did not get a bite. Maybe after seeing the success Matt Herman is having with 3D printed models at his new venture JJL might consider offering these models as such rather than injected molded. Hope springs eternal! I know they are on this site, maybe they can opine on their intentions. Tom |
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Post by danpik on Apr 8, 2024 15:44:30 GMT -8
I spoke with Mike and Chris about this a while ago. The "pre-order" interest was underwhelming to say the least. They needed a rather significant number of orders to move forward with having the tooling made and the parts produced. The hope is to someday be able to produce them in-house but the business needs more of their attention that they can provide to it and to this project at the same time. The need for an in-house injection molding machine is one of the hurdles they want to accomplish someday.
Dan
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Post by GP40P-2 on Apr 8, 2024 19:21:18 GMT -8
There was a formal pre-order on this? A bit of advertising might have helped a bit; a random post on Facebook doesn't count. I certainly would have been in for an original Erie version.
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Post by TBird1958 on Apr 8, 2024 20:15:15 GMT -8
Here's one of several images from their FB post......... FWIW I'd love a D&RGW 1400 series car   |
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Post by cpr4200 on Apr 8, 2024 20:40:53 GMT -8
Why not offer it as a 3D printed kit, then?
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Apr 9, 2024 3:48:16 GMT -8
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