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Post by TBird1958 on Apr 16, 2023 7:42:35 GMT -8
Just a simple upgrade/weathering project on an Atlas ACF boxcar. Trimmed the ends of the underframe off and rebuilt it with Moloco draft gear and brake components.  The weathering is pretty light, this was done with salt, and some light color washes.  The sides were washed with some AB 501 ochre thinned out with turpinoid followed by a little Bragdon chalk and some Tamiya panel accent wash. Cheers, have a great Sunday, Mark Hills   |
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Post by hudsonyard on Apr 16, 2023 9:59:09 GMT -8
 Gave the next yardmaster a turnover yesterday as the session wrapped up, about as good of a condition as you'll ever see fresh pond in. |
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Post by dti406 on Apr 16, 2023 11:31:06 GMT -8
Just a simple upgrade/weathering project on an Atlas ACF boxcar. Trimmed the ends of the underframe off and rebuilt it with Moloco draft gear and brake components. The weathering is pretty light, this was done with salt, and some light color washes. The sides were washed with some AB 501 ochre thinned out with turpinoid followed by a little Bragdon chalk and some Tamiya panel accent wash. Cheers, have a great Sunday, Mark Hills Mark, a couple of problems the X71’s were plain jane cars without cushioning and walkover platforms. Rick Jesionowski |
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Post by TBird1958 on Apr 16, 2023 12:01:59 GMT -8
Rick, thanks for the info, I will go dig for a few more pics and modify this model - much appreciated! Edit: It looks like there's a crossover walk in this pic, but the draft gear will have to change for sure. 
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Post by danpik on Apr 16, 2023 13:00:37 GMT -8
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Post by markfj on Apr 16, 2023 13:33:03 GMT -8
For the X71, this is the best photo I've found of the draft gear arrangement. I'm in the process of upgrading one of these Atlas cars too and used Moloco's DG-0414 standard (non-cushioned) draft gear. I'll need to add some styrene to replicate the striker plate.  Thanks, Mark |
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Post by slowfreight on Apr 16, 2023 13:44:05 GMT -8
Rick, thanks for the info, I will go dig for a few more pics and modify this model - much appreciated! Edit: It looks like there's a crossover walk in this pic, but the draft gear will have to change for sure. All cars built without a roofwalk were required to have a crossover platform and a railing between the end ladders. Cars that had roofwalks removed could vary in configuration. EOCC was not a factor in the FRA requirement for a crossover. |
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Post by onequiknova on Apr 16, 2023 14:05:41 GMT -8
I decided to add a bit of interest to the Branchline kit I'm assembling, and leave the door open.   |
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Post by 12bridge on Apr 16, 2023 14:18:17 GMT -8
No shop time this week, but work progresses on the Loksound install on the GP9.  Not a view you get to see often...  To pull the generator out, you need to pull off the left side blower and blower support in order to swing it out, as well as the aux gen.  Spot the main generator occupies.  New generator in place, upgraded to a D22 from a D12. The smaller generator built into the front is the D14 alternator for powering the fans, blowers, etc.  The next few hours we dial the generator in, taking oodles of measurements, moving shims, changing tightening sequences, etc.  Unrelated - we had a brandy new TBOX show up..could still smell the paint!  For those keeping score - hood assembly: 15,000lbs. Main Generator: 18,000lbs |
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Post by 690 on Apr 16, 2023 14:43:05 GMT -8
I decided to add a bit of interest to the Branchline kit I'm assembling, and leave the door open. The scrape marks on the inside walls really adds a lot to it! |
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Post by csxt8400 on Apr 16, 2023 16:30:51 GMT -8
Another week of varied subjects, I like it. Here is another project I'm back on the road to finish town with. Gauche washes for the grime thus far, acrylic dry brush for the ribs. The finished product will have a lot less orange to show for it.  |
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Post by csx3305 on Apr 16, 2023 16:56:54 GMT -8
Unrelated - we had a brandy new TBOX show up..could still smell the paint! Good catch, I’m sure it’ll be slathered in graffiti by the end of the week. |
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Apr 16, 2023 16:57:50 GMT -8
Good work all, the GP won't be much fun this week with the weather change....
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Post by drolsen on Apr 16, 2023 17:18:56 GMT -8
I worked on a mini project today that's part of a longer one that's been languishing for a bit. I started upgrading an ExactRail Southern waffleside boxcar several years ago, beginning by replacing most of the plastic brake lines and rods with phosphor bronze wire, along with adding some metal hangers to protect the brake rods. I like the improved appearance of the thinner, more durable wire. This is how it looked a year or so ago.  You can see that I removed the original molded doors and added a styrene strip frame to support the new doors. As a 1990s modeler, I had trouble finding photo examples of these Southern wafflesides from that time period to determine what types of doors they wore. Earlier photos from the '70s and '80s show the original Pullman-Standard doors, and in the 2000s, they mostly wore replacement Superior panel doors. With the help of some fellow modelers, I began to locate photos from the mid-'90s showing these cars with replacement Pullman-Standard doors that have equal width horizontal ribs on them, like this photo from 1994 by Chris Palmieri: SOU 528597I realized after looking at these photos that the railroad kitbashed shorter height Plate B doors by adding a larger blank panel at the bottom to make them tall enough for these Plate C cars. I could do the same thing using the doors that Moloco offers in their parts line: Moloco DR-0951 10-0 PS B Plate Sliding Door, full-width ribsI removed the raised trim around the sides of the bottom panel and used styrene strip to build the new trim, just like the prototype. The real doors are pretty rough-looking, so there's no need to get it perfect. I still need to add forklift pockets and some lift rings, but it's finally coming together.   Note: This car is from the original ExactRail run that was numbered for an incorrect, earlier series of SOU cars. I'll renumber this one accordingly when I get the detail work done. Dave |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Apr 17, 2023 8:35:10 GMT -8
Lots of great stuff this week!
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Post by nsc39d8 on Apr 17, 2023 10:12:10 GMT -8
Dave, Just to let you know, Jim King was casting separate doors for his 5277 project and selling them. He designed the full length rib like you made and the alternating short rib door. Both which appeared on the 5277's waffles like you are doing. The later 6 panel Superior door is cast by Tony Sissons. Smokey Mountain Model Works doors:   Link to the Superior door. tonysissons.zenfolio.com/p863008052 |
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Post by dti406 on Apr 17, 2023 18:58:07 GMT -8
Rick, thanks for the info, I will go dig for a few more pics and modify this model - much appreciated! Edit: It looks like there's a crossover walk in this pic, but the draft gear will have to change for sure. All cars built without a roofwalk were required to have a crossover platform and a railing between the end ladders. Cars that had roofwalks removed could vary in configuration. EOCC was not a factor in the FRA requirement for a crossover. You are correct I looked up the photo of the prototype I used to do my model years ago. The photo has a good shot of the end of the car but the car was so dirty I could not make out the platform but did note the hand rail across the back of the car so it should have had a walkover platform. By the way the photo was in Model Railroad Journal on the first article on IPD cars that Jim Eager did. I will be adding those items to my car. Rick Jesionowski |
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Post by csx3305 on Apr 17, 2023 22:00:05 GMT -8
The Superior doors on the Southern waffles seem to be a late 90’s-Y2K ish thing. Plenty of pics over at Elwood’s taken circa 2004 with Superior doors. i was relieved to discover that I have to do a lot less carving on Exactrail models than I originally thought.
Through the early 90’s it would appear that they just replaced the lower fifth of the orginal doors with flat sheet stock whenever a forklift tine happened to blow through one. I will be doing this treatment to a couple of mine.
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Post by drolsen on Apr 18, 2023 3:54:58 GMT -8
Dave, Just to let you know, Jim King was casting separate doors for his 5277 project and selling them. He designed the full length rib like you made and the alternating short rib door. Both which appeared on the 5277's waffles like you are doing. The later 6 panel Superior door is cast by Tony Sissons. Thanks for pointing that out, James. I bought three of Jim's kits but had only pulled out the body shell from one to look it over - I hadn't gotten to the doors yet. So... I hate to say it, but after looking at them, I think he tooled those doors incorrectly. As I described in my post above, after examining photos, it was apparent to me that Southern kitbashed this particular style of door from shorter height Plate B doors, by adding a taller blank panel at the bottom. In photos of these doors, you can see that the lower part of the trim around the edges of the door is kind of "sloppy," fabricated from strips of steel, presumably. The door in the SMMW kit looks like a purpose-built door with a nice even "factory" trim around the edges, or at least that's what I thought at first. I hadn't recalled seeing any Plate C doors like that on the prototype photos I've reviewed, so that seemed odd to me. Comparing the Moloco and SMMW doors side by side, it looks to me like Jim may have misinterpreted the design of the prototype and sort of stretched the corrugated panels to fit on a Plate C height door.  Note that the horizontal ribs on the SMMWV are thicker, resulting in a wider spacing that pushing them lower on the door, leaving a narrower blank panel at the bottom. Pullman-Standard (and other manufacturers) built these doors using standard sized panels that were riveted together to make the complete door. I'm very confident that the Moloco door is designed correctly, since Nick is incredibly detail-oriented, and it has was made to fit the Plate B models he produced it for. The Superior doors on the Southern waffles seem to be a late 90’s-Y2K ish thing. Plenty of pics over at Elwood’s taken circa 2004 with Superior doors. i was relieved to discover that I have to do a lot less carving on Exactrail models than I originally thought. Through the early 90’s it would appear that they just replaced the lower fifth of the orginal doors with flat sheet stock whenever a forklift tine happened to blow through one. I will be doing this treatment to a couple of mine. As I alluded to in my post above, as a 1990s modeler, I was frustrated for years that it was very difficult to find prototype photos from my era to use as references for projects like this. Long story short, my assessment was that as digital cameras became more affordable and common in the early 2000s, there was an explosion of online photos from that time period onward. At the same time, people were interested in the '60s and '70s and were scanning old slides from those eras and putting them online. No one was really interested in the '90s back then, but more recently, people are getting around to those slides and sharing them. Fellow modeler and friend Patrick Harris has been instrumental in greatly improving my research from the '90s (I'm modeling 1996, specifically). He's scanned and uploaded hundreds of photos that he took in New Orleans in the 1994-1996 timeframe. Here's a sample of SOU wafflesides from that period that he put together for me: 1990s Southern Waffleside Boxcar Images by Patrick HarrisI had thought the same as you, that Superior doors didn't really appear until the very late '90s into the 2000s. His photos show that they were appearing, freshly painted, in 1996, so I'm going to include some on my models. I'll reach out to Tony Sissons about his doors that James linked to above. Dave |
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Post by csx3305 on Apr 18, 2023 4:47:04 GMT -8
Earliest Superior door on an NS car I found (I was investigating this just a few weeks ago so it is still fairly fresh in my mind) was a pic dated 1994, but it wasn’t on an ex-SOU waffle. Being two years past my cutoff, I was fairly satisfied I could put the matter out of mind. Judging by ORER entries NS didn’t really get going hard on repaints and renumbers until 1993, I would put big money on replacement doors being under the umbrella of that program.
i noted that one of the Claytor waffle numbers that Exactrail just released is pictured on RRPA circa 1990 with a fully intact original door.
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Post by nsc39d8 on Apr 18, 2023 6:01:05 GMT -8
Dave, I think you are correct on the doors. Photos I have show more "space" at the bottom of door as you have modeled it. Which I find interesting as Jim had access to some PS files and the museum railroad he works on sometime has a Plate C 5219CF with the full rib door. And yet some of the Southern 5277 waffles have yet to be done with their original door. southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/box/556108.jpgI will add that if you have not looked that the enclosed mini CD Jim included it had a lot of 5277 photos on it from most of the number series. |
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Post by drolsen on Apr 22, 2023 15:41:51 GMT -8
Earliest Superior door on an NS car I found (I was investigating this just a few weeks ago so it is still fairly fresh in my mind) was a pic dated 1994, but it wasn’t on an ex-SOU waffle. Being two years past my cutoff, I was fairly satisfied I could put the matter out of mind. Judging by ORER entries NS didn’t really get going hard on repaints and renumbers until 1993, I would put big money on replacement doors being under the umbrella of that program. i noted that one of the Claytor waffle numbers that Exactrail just released is pictured on RRPA circa 1990 with a fully intact original door. Warren Calloway has an excellent photo of a repainted car with the equal width rib P-S door on RailcarPhotos: SOU 529060That's actually the one I used as the model for my kitbashed Moloco door. I'll have to start digging into Superior door examples too and come up with a rough plan for which cars to change out the doors on. Dave, I think you are correct on the doors. Photos I have show more "space" at the bottom of door as you have modeled it. Which I find interesting as Jim had access to some PS files and the museum railroad he works on sometime has a Plate C 5219CF with the full rib door. And yet some of the Southern 5277 waffles have yet to be done with their original door. southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/box/556108.jpgI will add that if you have not looked that the enclosed mini CD Jim included it had a lot of 5277 photos on it from most of the number series. Those were definitely interesting doors on that example of SOU 556108. Thanks for the tip on the CD - I had to dig out our one remaining family DVD drive and pull the photos over. After looking at them, I decided to put together this photo comparison of the two model doors next to the prototype door from the photo of SOU 525592 on the CD. If you look at how the bottom rib on each door lines up with the locking mechanism on the left side of the door frame, you can see how the SMMW door's ribs are spaced out vertically too much. Unfortunate. I'll have to kitbash a few more Moloco doors.  Dave |
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Post by wsor on Apr 22, 2023 16:37:37 GMT -8
No shop time this week, but work progresses on the Loksound install on the GP9. Which sound file are you using: 567C, or 645C? |
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