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Post by carrman on Aug 25, 2023 7:07:23 GMT -8
Is the SD45X.....
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Post by Donnell Wells on Aug 25, 2023 7:08:28 GMT -8
Just announced a few minutes ago…
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Post by snootie3257 on Aug 25, 2023 7:11:58 GMT -8
Cool but no thanks.
Steve
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Post by JohnJ on Aug 25, 2023 7:24:08 GMT -8
This perhaps gives them the bones for an SD40A later down the road? |
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Post by cemr5396 on Aug 25, 2023 7:29:05 GMT -8
This perhaps gives them the bones for an SD40A later down the road? I don't see how, there are almost no features in common. The SD40A was built on an SDP45 frame which is significantly longer, and the carbody is totally different. This is just a modification of SXT's existing SD45. |
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Post by richardthomasatal on Aug 25, 2023 7:29:53 GMT -8
I guess 2024 or 2025 before we see any MTH steam tooling announced and delivered? I don't understand a Museum Quality Diesel. I thought it that would be reserved for something meticulous like the Turbine they did or a steam locomotive. The SDL39 seemed underwhelming. Oh well.
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Post by richardthomasatal on Aug 25, 2023 7:37:40 GMT -8
That was anticlimactic. I thought for sure something higher in detail than a 45X would be announced. I'm not sure what the purpose of having a Museum Quality line is if there is just going to be one or two more features than a Rivet Counter line locomotive. It's probably a financially driven strategy for items that risk a lower order quantity. They get to tack on $60-80 over the normal price for a lighted instrument cluster or something minor.
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Post by carrman on Aug 25, 2023 7:40:11 GMT -8
That was anticlimactic. I thought for sure something higher in detali than a 45X And if you model the SP you are hearing angels sing right now..... Between that and the Rapido caboose. |
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Post by PennCentral on Aug 25, 2023 7:45:30 GMT -8
Compiled from various sources online but mostly David Coscia's SP Site:
SD38 65'8" or 65'9.5" (1966-67 vs 1968-71)
SD40 65'8" or 65'9.5" (1966-67 vs 1968-71)
SD40A 70'8"
SD45 65'8" or 65'9.5" (1966-67 vs 1968-71)
SDP45 70'8"
SD45X 70'8"
SD38-2 68'10"
SD40-2 68'10"
SD40T-2 70'8"
SD45-2 68'10"
SD45T-2 70'8"
The SD40A, SDP45, SD45X, SD40T-2, and SD45T-2 all had a 70'8" length. If having an existing frame/chassis in inventory is a criteria for a future model then the SD40A is certainly a plausible option.
Jason C
Sure don't NEED an SD45X but daaaaaaaaamnnnnnnnnnnnnn they're sweet, Indiana
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Post by 690 on Aug 25, 2023 7:51:38 GMT -8
Compiled from various sources online but mostly David Coscia's SP Site: SD38 65'8" or 65'9.5" (1966-67 vs 1968-71) SD40 65'8" or 65'9.5" (1966-67 vs 1968-71) SD40A 70'8" SD45 65'8" or 65'9.5" (1966-67 vs 1968-71) SDP45 70'8" SD45X 70'8" SD38-2 68'10" SD40-2 68'10" SD40T-2 70'8" SD45-2 68'10" SD45T-2 70'8" The SD40A, SDP45, SD45X, SD40T-2, and SD45T-2 all had a 70'8" length. If having an existing frame/chassis in inventory is a criteria for a future model then the SD40A is certainly a plausible option. Jason C Sure don't NEED an SD45X but daaaaaaaaamnnnnnnnnnnnnn they're sweet, Indiana The only potential issue would be the truck centers mounting on a SD40A since it doesn’t have HTC trucks. I’m assuming that this is possibly using the SD40T-2 frame, or is at least based off it. |
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Post by surlyknuckle on Aug 25, 2023 7:53:42 GMT -8
I'm in for an SD45X.
Just one.
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Post by cemr5396 on Aug 25, 2023 7:54:31 GMT -8
The SD40A, SDP45, SD45X, SD40T-2, and SD45T-2 all had a 70'8" length. If having an existing frame/chassis in inventory is a criteria for a future model then the SD40A is certainly a plausible option. yeah but by that logic it was already a "plausible option" because they had the frame for the Tunnel Motor. This is just creative re-using of that existing chassis plus 'most of' their existing SD45, assuming they were smart enough to tool it with modular sections that can be changed out, or in this case, re used. I find the extra $125 in the price just because it says "Museum Quality" on the box amusing, though. |
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Post by cemr5396 on Aug 25, 2023 7:57:54 GMT -8
The only potential issue would be the truck centers mounting on a SD40A since it doesn’t have HTC trucks. I’m assuming that this is possibly using the SD40T-2 frame, or is at least based off it. yeah, because of the truck centers issue a 40A would probably need a brand new chassis for Scale Trains to do it, even though it is the same length as a Tunnel Motor. the truck centers match the SDP45 though...... hint hint Athearn. |
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Post by richardthomasatal on Aug 25, 2023 8:04:45 GMT -8
That was anticlimactic. I thought for sure something higher in detali than a 45X And if you model the SP you are hearing angels sing right now..... Between that and the Rapido caboose. My critique is more about the product line than the actual locomotive decision. I just wondered why it wasn't in rivet counter line and I think the answer is financials. They can charge more for an additional feature that may have a lower demand in run #'s. |
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Post by gevohogger on Aug 25, 2023 8:06:34 GMT -8
The SD40A, SDP45, SD45X, SD40T-2, and SD45T-2 all had a 70'8" length. If having an existing frame/chassis in inventory is a criteria for a future model then the SD40A is certainly a plausible option. I find the extra $125 in the price just because it says "Museum Quality" on the box amusing, though. Well, there's gotta be something that sets it apart from regular Rivet Counter quality, right? That extra printing on the box won't come cheap. |
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Post by packer on Aug 25, 2023 8:08:46 GMT -8
I seent that, and I kinda want one.
I also saw the gunderson boxcar. I wonder if they'll fix the roof from the exactrail days?
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Post by Christian on Aug 25, 2023 8:10:29 GMT -8
I find the extra $125 in the price just because it says "Museum Quality" on the box amusing, though. Well, there's gotta be something that sets it apart from regular Rivet Counter quality, right? That extra printing on the box won't come cheap. Not to mention the 1950s wheelsets. In the long list of features I don't even see an option for museum quality wheelsets. |
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Post by middledivision on Aug 25, 2023 8:19:54 GMT -8
I'm a big ST fan but this release is crazy.
Seven units were produced. Seven. They must be flush with cash to produce something like this. And it's Western. You can take the boys out of Athearn but you can't take the Athearn out of the boys!
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Post by sp3205 on Aug 25, 2023 8:42:24 GMT -8
This is just creative re-using of that existing chassis plus 'most of' their existing SD45, assuming they were smart enough to tool it with modular sections that can be changed out, or in this case, re used. As someone who has built a SD45X (and a SD40A using Athearn's SDP chassis, so it does work), I can tell you that there is practically nothing from the SD45 that can be used on the SD45X. It is all new tooling. And Scale Trains has gone to the trouble of even noting some variations of how the grey and scarlet was applied when the ex-demos got repainted.
Elizabeth
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Post by richardthomasatal on Aug 25, 2023 8:42:32 GMT -8
I'm a big ST fan but this release is crazy. Seven units were produced. Seven. They must be flush with cash to produce something like this. And it's Western. You can take the boys out of Athearn but you can't take the Athearn out of the boys! I think the increased price and rebranding to Museum Quality covers the risk. It could be they are flush with cash but it's the bank's cash. |
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Post by riogrande on Aug 25, 2023 8:44:17 GMT -8
I'm interested but $379.99 is "up there" for the DCC/sound version and I would have been happy with a Rivet Counter for a good deal less. I suspect the DCC ready version will get the most orders. That seems to have been the trend of late with other ScaleTrains locos.
IIRC ScaleTrains indicated more SD45's will be announced later this year.
Liz, which of these SD45X's lasted the longest?
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Post by protofrtcar on Aug 25, 2023 8:57:13 GMT -8
I seent that, and I kinda want one. I also saw the gunderson boxcar. I wonder if they'll fix the roof from the exactrail days? There is nothing wrong with the roof if you model a SP or CB car. Some series had x-panel and some series had DP roofs. The problem was the number of side panels on the model. This won't have any upgrades as ST have chosen it for their Kit Classics $24 dollar line. It suits because everything is molded on, it's a cheap one-shot body for that market. A high-end model of this car would be great, and it could possibly happen, as I am kit-bashing two of them for SP&S, so if you apply Murphy's Law, there is your answer  |
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Post by sp3205 on Aug 25, 2023 9:12:36 GMT -8
On the off-chance that additional kit-bashes helps your cause!
Elizabeth
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Post by 690 on Aug 25, 2023 9:44:00 GMT -8
I'm a big ST fan but this release is crazy. Seven units were produced. Seven. They must be flush with cash to produce something like this. And it's Western. You can take the boys out of Athearn but you can't take the Athearn out of the boys! It’s actually nice that we’re going to a point where niche models like these, and SDL39s can be mass produced in plastic. |
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Post by snootie3257 on Aug 25, 2023 10:00:41 GMT -8
I'm a big ST fan but this release is crazy. Seven units were produced. Seven. They must be flush with cash to produce something like this. And it's Western. You can take the boys out of Athearn but you can't take the Athearn out of the boys! It’s actually nice that we’re going to a point where niche models like these, and SDL39s can be mass produced in plastic. Now if they only do the DD35/DDA35. I’d definitely be game! Steve |
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Post by five83 on Aug 25, 2023 10:30:09 GMT -8
Really 7 units? And 6 of them went to SP?
With all the hate that the SDL39 received, at least they had more units and lasted longer among multiple owners. I get it that SP is a popular road to model, but the SDL39 didn't deserve to be trashed the way it did. But because it's SP, this choice is ok? Can't do no wrong with the SP crowd, I guess. Sorry but I'll have to roll my eyes on that one.
Oh well, my money is safe.
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Post by middledivision on Aug 25, 2023 10:42:33 GMT -8
To me, the Turbines were the only real "Museum Quality" models. The SDL39 and now the SD45X are just Rivet Counters with more lights.
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Post by csxt8400 on Aug 25, 2023 11:04:15 GMT -8
I really would have expected a DD35 by now, like was mentioned above. This is cool for the niche factor, though.
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Post by riogrande on Aug 25, 2023 11:04:33 GMT -8
Really 7 units? And 6 of them went to SP? With all the hate that the SDL39 received, at least they had more units and lasted longer among multiple owners. I get it that SP is a popular road to model, but the SDL39 didn't deserve to be trashed the way it did. But because it's SP, this choice is ok? Can't do no wrong with the SP crowd, I guess. Sorry but I'll have to roll my eyes on that one. Oh well, my money is safe. I don't recall any hate for the SDL39. I have nothing to do with them but I thought they were really cool. It goes without saying that with the Museum loco's, many wallets are safe. *rolls eyes* |
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Post by simulatortrain on Aug 25, 2023 11:27:04 GMT -8
Don't really need it, but I'll buy 5740.
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