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Post by sd40dash2 on Sept 2, 2023 18:11:21 GMT -8
This week RMC posted the following details about the Union Pacific caboose Athearn announced at the NTS recently. I don't recall reading about it here and there is nothing else on google except a Trainorders thread. My congrats to the UP modelling customers who will soon be able to add these models to their collections.
"As expected from hints dropped in recent Athearn advertisements, Athearn officially announced at the 2023 NTS its intention to produce multiple variants of Union Pacific’s CA-11/CA-12 cabooses, including contemporary “Snow bus” conversions used to transport train and maintenance crews in the winter time. CA-11 cabooses first entered service in 1979, with examples used for snow bus and shoving platforms still in operation today. Details for these top of the line Genesis cabooses will include full interior details, extensive LED lighting including end markers, interior and all-new walkway lighting over the stepwell areas and optional sound provided by Soundtraxx."
Glad to see more accurate RTR plastic cabooses on the way! Thank you to these manufacturers who, in just the past few days/weeks have announced or made these available:
Rapido SP steel C40-3
Tangent BN ICC wide vision Athearn UP CA-11/CA-12
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Post by locochris on Sept 2, 2023 18:49:24 GMT -8
I think this is going to be similar to what they did with the new Roundhouse F7; they did a livestream introducing it and then a month or two later it showed up in a normal monthly announcement with roadnames, etc.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 2, 2023 20:12:30 GMT -8
Hooray CA-11's!
Ed
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Post by snootie3257 on Sept 3, 2023 4:55:08 GMT -8
If they announce a CA-12 they will be fictitious (foodie) because there were no CA-12s ever built. They were planned but because of the Rock Island shut down and return of cabooses there was no need. The ex-Rock Island cabooses were classified CA-13s.
Steve
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 3, 2023 5:29:43 GMT -8
From Utah Rails:
"Just as the improvements and design features of the new CA-12s were being finalized, and before an order for 100 new cars could be placed, UP received 127 cabooses that had previously been leased to Rock Island, and the CA-12 order was canceled. Like the CA-11s before them, the new CA-12s were to be built by International Car Co. The return of the Rock Island cabooses, together with a growing recession, resulted in UP canceling the CA-12 order on April 10, 1980, just 10 days after the Rock Island shut down.
However, many of the design features that were to be included in the new CA-12s were not lost. A modification program was initiated for the CA-11s and over the next four to five years, many received the planned CA-12 improvements. As each was completed, it was stenciled as a "Modified CA-11." There was also a "Modified CA-11-A" class."
Ed
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Post by snootie3257 on Sept 3, 2023 5:41:06 GMT -8
From Utah Rails: "Just as the improvements and design features of the new CA-12s were being finalized, and before an order for 100 new cars could be placed, UP received 127 cabooses that had previously been leased to Rock Island, and the CA-12 order was canceled. Like the CA-11s before them, the new CA-12s were to be built by International Car Co. The return of the Rock Island cabooses, together with a growing recession, resulted in UP canceling the CA-12 order on April 10, 1980, just 10 days after the Rock Island shut down. However, many of the design features that were to be included in the new CA-12s were not lost. A modification program was initiated for the CA-11s and over the next four to five years, many received the planned CA-12 improvements. As each was completed, it was stenciled as a "Modified CA-11." There was also a "Modified CA-11-A" class." Ed Yup, no CA-12s or any classified as CA-12s. They modified CA-11s with the planned CA-12 improvements but never reclassified them CA-12s. I have the Union Pacific caboose book so there was no need for me to look anywhere else. Steve Edit: BTW there were also no CA-2s |
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Post by Baikal on Sept 3, 2023 8:47:14 GMT -8
From Utah Rails: "Just as the improvements and design features of the new CA-12s were being finalized, and before an order for 100 new cars could be placed, UP received 127 cabooses that had previously been leased to Rock Island, and the CA-12 order was canceled. Like the CA-11s before them, the new CA-12s were to be built by International Car Co. The return of the Rock Island cabooses, together with a growing recession, resulted in UP canceling the CA-12 order on April 10, 1980, just 10 days after the Rock Island shut down. However, many of the design features that were to be included in the new CA-12s were not lost. A modification program was initiated for the CA-11s and over the next four to five years, many received the planned CA-12 improvements. As each was completed, it was stenciled as a "Modified CA-11." There was also a "Modified CA-11-A" class." Ed
I was a UP conductor when the CA-11s were delivered in mid-'79. About the same time they started eliminating cabooses and crew sizes were shrinking. And the number of TOFC/COFC trains was really ramping up with a corresponding decline in mixed-freights. Crews didn't like the new & "improved" CA-11s as much as all the previous cupola cabs, all of which which felt solid and rode smoother than a Pullman. CA-11s seemed cheap, they were noisier inside and they rattled. So the CA-11s to me symbolize a major turning point in western US railroading.
Also significant developments around that time: 1979 SD&AE sold to San Diego MTDB (Will become 1st new US LRT system, after Edmonton)
?/79 ex-RI lines to SP/SSW, DRGW, KCT.
2/80 MILW cuts back to Miles City, MT.
3/31/80 RI ceases operations.
1979 Mercury Cougar XR-7 & Zephyr Z-7 Commercial
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Post by locochris on Sept 3, 2023 11:10:33 GMT -8
Edit: BTW there were also no CA-2s Interesting, I did not know that there were no CA-2's. I have an Intermountain CA-3 but I wish someone would make a good CA-1 model. I have a Roundhouse CA-1, and Bachmann also makes one but it looks way different, so not sure if the CA-1 just came in different variations like that or what. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 3, 2023 11:25:58 GMT -8
Walthers did Proto CA-1's. They did three-packs and two-packs and singles and OSL and both yellow and brown......
Revell did a CA-1, also. THAT one might look good behind my Athearn Little Monster (o-4-2T).
I'm also quite fond of the Trix CA-3/CA-4, when it sports the corrected roof. The ladders are better than on the Intermountain, for example.
We're missing the CA-5, CA-6 and CA-7, though. Except in brass.
Ed
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Post by snootie3257 on Sept 3, 2023 12:17:44 GMT -8
Edit: BTW there were also no CA-2s Interesting, I did not know that there were no CA-2's. I have an Intermountain CA-3 but I wish someone would make a good CA-1 model. I have a Roundhouse CA-1, and Bachmann also makes one but it looks way different, so not sure if the CA-1 just came in different variations like that or what. There were variations in the CA-1. Some had sloped cupola sides and some had flat cupola sides. Gets confusing! Here is a paragraph from the book: The CA design dated from 1907, and the CA-1 design from 1914. Prior to these two designs, there were at least three other standard designs that dated right from the first years of the transcontinental railroad: a four-window design with a side door dating from the 1860s, a six window design with a unique eight sided cupola dating from the 1870s, and the 1880s-era three window design with a square cupola, from which the later CA-1 was copied. The CA-2 was designed but was dropped in favor of an all steel caboose. Thus the CA-3 was born. Steve Edit: The earlier caboose’s prior to the CA and CA-1 class cabooses were N.C.S. (non common standard) class cabooses. |
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Post by snootie3257 on Sept 3, 2023 12:21:39 GMT -8
We're missing the CA-5, CA-6 and CA-7, though. Except in brass. Ed Ed I would love to see these done. They were Union Pacific built so would be a long shot but stranger things have happened! Steve |
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Post by locochris on Sept 3, 2023 12:30:52 GMT -8
There were variations in the CA-1. Some had sloped cupola sides and some had flat cupola sides. Gets confusing! Here is a paragraph from the book: The CA design dated from 1907, and the CA-1 design from 1914. Prior to these two designs, there were at least three other standard designs that dated right from the first years of the transcontinental railroad: a four-window design with a side door dating from the 1860s, a six window design with a unique eight sided cupola dating from the 1870s, and the 1880s-era three window design with a square cupola, from which the later CA-1 was copied. The CA-2 was designed but was dropped in favor of an all steel caboose. Thus the CA-3 was born. Steve That is some excellent information Steve. Bachmann makes the CA-1 with sloped sides so now it makes sense to me. I didn't know there was an original CA before the CA-1. Has anyone made the original CA or any of the 1800's designs in plastic? |
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Post by snootie3257 on Sept 3, 2023 12:37:26 GMT -8
There were variations in the CA-1. Some had sloped cupola sides and some had flat cupola sides. Gets confusing! Here is a paragraph from the book: The CA design dated from 1907, and the CA-1 design from 1914. Prior to these two designs, there were at least three other standard designs that dated right from the first years of the transcontinental railroad: a four-window design with a side door dating from the 1860s, a six window design with a unique eight sided cupola dating from the 1870s, and the 1880s-era three window design with a square cupola, from which the later CA-1 was copied. The CA-2 was designed but was dropped in favor of an all steel caboose. Thus the CA-3 was born. Steve That is some excellent information Steve. Bachmann makes the CA-1 with sloped sides so now it makes sense to me. I didn't know there was an original CA before the CA-1. Has anyone made the original CA or any of the 1800's designs in plastic? Not sure. My modeling era is 1979-1980, so I am not sure about earlier cabooses in model form. Hopefully someone has the answer for you. Steve |
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Post by locochris on Sept 3, 2023 12:39:23 GMT -8
Sorry, it was Lionel that made that other CA-1 caboose, not Bachmann.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Sept 3, 2023 13:17:10 GMT -8
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Post by snootie3257 on Sept 3, 2023 13:43:02 GMT -8
Wow! Note the prices! I remember those prices. Steve |
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