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Post by markfj on Oct 4, 2023 3:55:18 GMT -8
This is a bit of a “been there, done that” topic that has been covered before here and on other forums. There seems to be a 50/50 split among those who like the Proto shell and those that prefer the Genesis one. Unless someone decides to tool a new GP7/9 shell, which is highly unlikely, we’ll be stuck with these two offerings for a while. You're also forgetting the Atlas GP7 which, IMHO, also looks vastly more "right" than the Athearn Genesis GP7. Would you say the Atlas shell is better than the Proto one? |
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Post by fishbelly on Oct 4, 2023 4:01:49 GMT -8
This is a bit of a “been there, done that” topic that has been covered before here and on other forums. There seems to be a 50/50 split among those who like the Proto shell and those that prefer the Genesis one. Unless someone decides to tool a new GP7/9 shell, which is highly unlikely, we’ll be stuck with these two offerings for a while. You're also forgetting the Atlas GP7 which, IMHO, also looks vastly more "right" than the Athearn Genesis GP7. True. Also the Atlas GP7 looks more right than the Athearn GP7 |
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Post by unittrain on Oct 4, 2023 4:03:33 GMT -8
I ordered another Pennsy GP9 from this Walthers release I have a proto PC unit too then Life Like pennsy and NYC unit as far as Athearn I got a couple GP9Bs and like 2 Athearn Pennsy GP9s a NYC GP9 and a Pennsy GP7 also have an Athearn NYC torpedo tube unit on pre order. Athearn is the only one that has done the Pennsy late 60s scheme I only have one of those. I also have an Athearn B&O and Chessie GP9.
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Post by sd40x on Oct 6, 2023 9:19:11 GMT -8
I know that the P2K Geep7-20 shells fit right onto a Genesis frame. Like they belong together fitment too. If I can figure out pics on here I would show it lol. Now if I can get a Kato HM5 fitted up to the frame? Hmmmm… 😎
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Post by packer on Oct 6, 2023 9:25:43 GMT -8
something else i noticed about the genesis geeps:   notice the step wells are angled on the inboard side verses being straight on the Proto. not really sure which is right |
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Post by 12bridge on Oct 6, 2023 12:05:16 GMT -8
Well....its both. There is a taper on the edge, but I think it is far too pronounced on the Athearn. Ill get some better photos tomorrow or Sunday.   Both shells have small issues here and there the more you look at them. The big one on the Proto/Walthers is the equipment box step is wrong, it has a stamped step, not a bent step thats part of the box itself. Shameless plug - I offer this part in my line.   |
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Post by ironrails on Oct 6, 2023 15:29:37 GMT -8
Hello 12bridge,
I don't see the box step on your website. How does one order them?
Thanks,
Mike
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Post by hudsonyard on Oct 6, 2023 15:31:24 GMT -8
This is a bit of a “been there, done that” topic that has been covered before here and on other forums. There seems to be a 50/50 split among those who like the Proto shell and those that prefer the Genesis one. Unless someone decides to tool a new GP7/9 shell, which is highly unlikely, we’ll be stuck with these two offerings for a while. You're also forgetting the Atlas GP7 which, IMHO, also looks vastly more "right" than the Athearn Genesis GP7.
the dynamic equipped tooling always has looked a bit strange to me, but the non-dymo body looks fine and you cant argue with the performance.
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on Oct 6, 2023 18:35:40 GMT -8
If Atlas made a HO Scale GP9 I'd never own a Genesis GP9 or Proto.
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Post by 12bridge on Oct 7, 2023 13:03:15 GMT -8
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Post by packer on Oct 8, 2023 5:01:09 GMT -8
I should have asked for measurements of those holes and such on the steps.  I see where Athearn got that angle from |
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Post by 12bridge on Oct 8, 2023 6:30:57 GMT -8
See your other thread on that.
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Post by cera2254 on Oct 8, 2023 14:54:27 GMT -8
Still kinda makes you wonder why they chose a front range model as the base of their high end unit instead of just tooling brand new, but…
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Post by cemr5396 on Oct 8, 2023 18:52:09 GMT -8
Still kinda makes you wonder why they chose a front range model as the base of their high end unit instead of just tooling brand new, but… if they were doing it today, they probably would start from scratch, and maybe relegate the FRP model to the mid or low tier product line. It was different times back then... |
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Post by gevohogger on Oct 9, 2023 3:51:20 GMT -8
Still kinda makes you wonder why they chose a front range model as the base of their high end unit instead of just tooling brand new, but… if they were doing it today, they probably would start from scratch, and maybe relegate the FRP model to the mid or low tier product line. It was different times back then... In perfect hindsight, they probably should have put the Geeps in the Ready to Roll category with the stuff they got from the old Rail Power Products tooling. |
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Post by prr 4467 on Oct 9, 2023 16:43:02 GMT -8
I honestly had absolutely no idea they started with the Front Range shell as the basis of the Genesis model. I always assumed, especially because Athearn has been doing the modular tooling, and all the variations and road specific details, and with so many stellar product reviews (from magazines who are being paid advertising dollars by the manufacturers such that you never get an unvarnished truthful new product review, except maybe from Model Railroading News) that it was actually a fairly accurate base shell. The GP7/9 was never my favorite engine so I personally never really looked all that closely at the base shell, though I did notice the variations on my favorite roads' locos. In most cases, Genesis models receive the highest marks in new product reviews...so I was all too easily misled.
The consensus seems to be that the Proto mechanism with the helical gears is most definitely a smooth-running mechanism.
I stopped enjoying some magazines quite some time ago because imo the new product reviews are generally too kind. That being the case, for me who would prefer the pure unvarnished truth all the time, it became very easy for me to lose any respect I ever had for some (MR and RMC specifically). I do generally like MRN, but I rarely ever get to see it at a news stand anymore.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 9, 2023 19:29:44 GMT -8
It's been many years, but I recall examining detail photos of the Front Range castings and the Athearn, and they were not the same. I posted comments stating that back on the old forum, when Athearn introduced this product.
At this date, it doesn't matter. It's been a done deal for years, whatever it was.
If you don't like the casting, don't buy it.
Ed
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