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Post by ambluco on Oct 16, 2023 8:13:54 GMT -8
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Post by 690 on Oct 16, 2023 8:28:39 GMT -8
How about an SD18?
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Post by cemr5396 on Oct 16, 2023 8:29:34 GMT -8
I have just one question: why?
The Walthers Proto SD7s/9s are just as nice as their Geeps, which are well regarded.
This seems like a model that didn't need a re make, especially by 'we have way to many things in the pipeline' Rapido.
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Post by 690 on Oct 16, 2023 8:33:27 GMT -8
At least Rapido is doing versions with variations that haven’t been done by Walthers. And I’m sure Milwaukee modelers will be happy to have a SD10 available, provided Rapido doesn’t botch it.
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Post by jacksong1218 on Oct 16, 2023 8:38:41 GMT -8
I think the SD10s will be very well received. Its a model that fills a gap in plastic for sure.
I dont need one but the DME looks very tempting!
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Post by packer on Oct 16, 2023 8:46:20 GMT -8
Walther’s/lifelike didn’t do the BN steps, nor the phase IV body Rapido is doing.
To be determined if I’ll aquire any of these
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Post by rockfan on Oct 16, 2023 8:49:36 GMT -8
Why not? I like to see new locomotives even if I can't use any, just means sooner or later a new one will come along that I can use.
Besides, I don't know if Walthers bought P2K at the time, but they made a very nice U28B and haven't done another run since.
I'm betting Atlas or Rapido will make a U28B before Walthers does a second run, it's only been about 20 years.
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Post by idgara on Oct 16, 2023 9:13:45 GMT -8
The covered hoppers and boxcars look good, I think some of the New Haven cars got repainted in the orange sides, black door scheme in 1955.
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Post by prr 4467 on Oct 16, 2023 9:32:53 GMT -8
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Post by cemr5396 on Oct 16, 2023 10:05:32 GMT -8
Why not? I like to see new locomotives even if I can't use any, just means sooner or later a new one will come along that I can use. Because Rapido has way too many things going at once already, and if they want to make something new so bad, at least make something there isn't already a 'pretty good' to 'very good' version of already. At least they did some rebuilds, otherwise this announcement would have been basically pointless. |
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Post by rockfan on Oct 16, 2023 10:26:56 GMT -8
You're using ebay to claim they did a second run? Try again. |
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Post by rockfan on Oct 16, 2023 10:38:55 GMT -8
Why not? I like to see new locomotives even if I can't use any, just means sooner or later a new one will come along that I can use. Because Rapido has way too many things going at once already, and if they want to make something new so bad, at least make something there isn't already a 'pretty good' to 'very good' version of already. At least they did some rebuilds, otherwise this announcement would have been basically pointless. The problems of running a model railroad company. I've never been there, have you? They did the FL9, I have no need for it but they also made the FP7/9 before that. There's a reason they do what they do. |
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Post by cera2254 on Oct 16, 2023 11:05:05 GMT -8
Did Walthers ever fix the coupler mounting that the life like SD7/9s used?
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Post by timvanmersbergen on Oct 16, 2023 11:07:31 GMT -8
You're using ebay to claim they did a second run? Try again. How about a post of the 2013 announcement? www.pwrs.ca/announcements/view.php?ID=7450Radiators were improved from the Life Like and early Protos with screens up top. Yes, it was 10 years ago. Bit less than 20 as suggested. |
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Post by timvanmersbergen on Oct 16, 2023 11:10:56 GMT -8
The announcement indicates "Chicago Burlington and Quincy" as a roadname. The units they are doing are Colorado and Southern locomotives, which despite the paint scheme, are not CB&Q. Rapido may be completely unaware of this.
Such are things that give one confidence that Rapido gets the details right. The railroad may be incorrect but hey, they have light-up gauges!
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Post by jonklein611 on Oct 16, 2023 11:22:46 GMT -8
Here's some details on each of them:
Bessemer & Lake Erie
- Unique "B&LE" style sand fill door hatches
- Long hood forward operation
- Extra large pilot step and corresponding additional stepwell step (First time done on a plastic model!)
Denver & Rio Grande Western
- Correctly replicated side sill reflectors
- Short hood forward operation
Southern Pacific
- Steam generator equipment details on short hood
- Correct Mars style 'ash can' light on both ends of the locomotive
Baltimore & Ohio
- Correctly oriented cab interior for long hood forward operation
- Single fuel tank (First time done on a plastic model!)
Burlington Northern
- Former CBQ units (Phase IV, first time for a plastic model!)
- Correct 5-step, BN walkway
Chicago, Burlington & Quincy
- Phase IV (First time for a plastic model!)
- Higher short hood with a corresponding cab height
- Cornered-off section on the long hood behind the cab
- Two 48" radiator fans as opposed to the normal (four) 36" fans
- Conduit pipes were removed from the top of the radiator
- No ladders on the short hood end
Chicago & North Western
- Rebuilt at the Oelwein Shops with chopped down nose - a first in HO Scale!
- Modified panels on side sills of locomotive
- Modified/plated over details of dynamic brake blister (Smooth plating over where grilles once were)
Milwaukee Road
- SD10 model designation given by Milwaukee Road for their capital rebuild program of their old SD7s and SD9s
- A first in HO Scale plastic models
- Single fuel tank
Chopped short hood and modified cab
- Later style Horst air intake
- Rotary beacon
SOO Line **Conditional Announcement**
- Ex-MILW units / same features
Dakota Minnesota & Eastern **Conditional Announcement**
- Ex-SOO, nee-MILW units - same features
**Please note that the SOO Line and Dakota Minnesota & Eastern SD10 Locomotives are Conditional Releases – This means these will be produced only if we receive enough preorders for them.
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Post by rockfan on Oct 16, 2023 11:27:27 GMT -8
You're using ebay to claim they did a second run? Try again. How about a post of the 2013 announcement? www.pwrs.ca/announcements/view.php?ID=7450Radiators were improved from the Life Like and early Protos with screens up top. Yes, it was 10 years ago. Bit less than 20 as suggested. I couldn't use anything from the second run. It's been 10 years, time for a third run? |
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Post by gevohogger on Oct 16, 2023 11:46:21 GMT -8
Did Walthers ever fix the coupler mounting that the life like SD7/9s used? I kind of recall there being a couple different versions during the LL era.... The originals (SD7?) had a really sketchy coupler mount and the later ones were at least somewhat improved. Maybe the later ones were OK? |
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Post by cpr4200 on Oct 16, 2023 12:19:06 GMT -8
The Phase II SD9's just need a new set of radiator grilles (KV or Plano) and there you go! |
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Post by 12bridge on Oct 16, 2023 12:22:12 GMT -8
Did Walthers ever fix the coupler mounting that the life like SD7/9s used? There is very little in common with the Proto engines of yesteryear, and the modern Walthers Proto stuff. The vast majority of everything has been retooled at this point. And yes, the coupler mounts are fixed. |
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Post by riogrande on Oct 16, 2023 13:15:21 GMT -8
I picked up the Walthers bloody nose SP SD9's from the last run. I believe Walther's has another run coming.
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Post by 690 on Oct 16, 2023 18:06:03 GMT -8
The Phase II SD9's just need a new set of radiator grilles (KV or Plano) and there you go! They need more than that. You’d have to start with the Phase IV SD9, since SD18s had a taller cab sub base. They also have two 48” fans vs the four 36” fans, plus some other smaller differences. Then there’s the C&O SD18s… |
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Post by grabirons on Oct 16, 2023 18:07:04 GMT -8
The Walthers proto SDS recently came out in the last few months and they had the wrong double fuel tanks. I wanted to wait to see until they were released if they would have the correct single fuel tank, they didn't.
A company that is located in Milwaukee should be able to get that right and they didn't. A company who just announced it in Canada is showing 3D renders with the correct single fuel tank.
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Post by locochris on Oct 16, 2023 18:46:04 GMT -8
There's a video from Rapido's dealer open house on Facebook where Matt Gentry explains a lot more details about the SD7/9/10 that might answer some of your questions.
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Post by lhr on Oct 16, 2023 19:37:17 GMT -8
The announcement indicates "Chicago Burlington and Quincy" as a roadname. The units they are doing are Colorado and Southern locomotives, which despite the paint scheme, are not CB&Q. Rapido may be completely unaware of this. Such are things that give one confidence that Rapido gets the details right. The railroad may be incorrect but hey, they have light-up gauges! Another thing Rapido needs to omit is the drop step and safety chain from those C&S/CB&Q SD's. I know that these are 3D renderings, but they have to go. That stuff didn't start appearing until after the BN merger. The last Q order of green & white hockey stick SD45's and U23C's didn't even have them, and those were the last road units ordered by them AFAIK. |
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Post by lhr on Oct 16, 2023 20:14:09 GMT -8
The Phase II SD9's just need a new set of radiator grilles (KV or Plano) and there you go! They need more than that. You’d have to start with the Phase IV SD9, since SD18s had a taller cab sub base. They also have two 48” fans vs the four 36” fans, plus some other smaller differences. Then there’s the C&O SD18s… There are a few differences on the SD18. Yes, the taller cab sub base for starters. Starting from the cab back the roofline is square for a few feet then the corners are rounded leading to the dynamics, like the PH IV hood. The 2 equipment boxes behind both sides of the cab on the walkway of the SD7/9 are gone. The generator/engine room part of the long hood is basically the same hood door wise except the doors right behind the cab are taller because of those boxes missing from the walkway. The radiator compartment on the roof is the same as the SD7/9, lengthwise, but with 2 fans. The hood section under the radiator is the same as the SD24, including the layout of the hood doors and is also 4-6 inches taller than the SD7/9, just as is the SD24. I know the DMIR had some of the earliest SD18's, so not sure which body configuration they have as I have no interest in them, plus they've been turned into SDM's. B&LE, RM/NSM, C&IM Also had SD18's with C&IM's being the only one's without dynamics. C&O's were the same as the rest with the exception of the traded in Tri-mount trucks from RSD5's. Because of those trucks being used, the truck bolster was a little taller than the standard EMD Flexicoil and the jacking pad was also located in a different spot because of those trucks. C&O's SD18's rode about 2 1/2" higher than all the others. Each bottom step at the corners was also lower along with the draft gear for the coupler. I've been wanting to do about 4-5 of those C&O's for awhile, so I did a lot of checking. |
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Post by lvrr325 on Oct 16, 2023 22:45:23 GMT -8
Some of these kind of make sense, the single fuel tank, the chopped noses, things that haven't been done before and Walthers is unlikely to do.
But older Proto and Walthers runs of these aren't hard to find yet and much cheaper - I noted in the other thread I picked up a Proto B&LE SD9 and sold it for $40 the first show I took it to. They're going to make a $250/$350 Rapido model of the same engine a tough sale.
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Post by gevohogger on Oct 17, 2023 4:58:39 GMT -8
The Walthers proto SDS recently came out in the last few months and they had the wrong double fuel tanks. I wanted to wait to see until they were released if they would have the correct single fuel tank, they didn't. Which ones, the Milwaukee Roads?
Which brings up a related issue: I wonder if they'll remember to add the second fuel tank when (if?) they do them as DM&E... I'm thinking: Not!
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Post by gevohogger on Oct 17, 2023 5:22:19 GMT -8
The announcement indicates "Chicago Burlington and Quincy" as a roadname. The units they are doing are Colorado and Southern locomotives, which despite the paint scheme, are not CB&Q. Rapido may be completely unaware of this. Such are things that give one confidence that Rapido gets the details right. The railroad may be incorrect but hey, they have light-up gauges! Another thing Rapido needs to omit is the drop step and safety chain from those C&S/CB&Q SD's. I know that these are 3D renderings, but they have to go. That stuff didn't start appearing until after the BN merger. The last Q order of green & white hockey stick SD45's and U23C's didn't even have them, and those were the last road units ordered by them AFAIK. Same situation with the SD10. They didn't get the step and safety chains until late, perhaps not until the DM&E era. |
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Post by slowfreight on Oct 19, 2023 11:37:46 GMT -8
The Walthers proto SDS recently came out in the last few months and they had the wrong double fuel tanks. I wanted to wait to see until they were released if they would have the correct single fuel tank, they didn't. Which ones, the Milwaukee Roads? Which brings up a related issue: I wonder if they'll remember to add the second fuel tank when (if?) they do them as DM&E... I'm thinking: Not!
They could have made it simpler by painting the ex-CNW as DM&E units, since that's where they all went. But IIRC the SD10s didn't get the second fuel tank right away. |
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