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Post by gevohogger on Oct 19, 2023 12:02:30 GMT -8
Which ones, the Milwaukee Roads? Which brings up a related issue: I wonder if they'll remember to add the second fuel tank when (if?) they do them as DM&E... I'm thinking: Not!
But IIRC the SD10s didn't get the second fuel tank right away. I wondered about that myself, and had looked for photos to no avail. But I'm no expert; my only experience with DME power was on the SD40-2s we used to get regularly on the ethanol trains. |
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on Oct 19, 2023 13:22:00 GMT -8
Guess we'll never see a GE P30CH "Pooch" in Amtrak. I mean we've got most of Amtrak's other motive power already. E & F Units, F40PH, AEM-7, GG1, E44, Siemen's Charger, GE P40/42, and EMD SDP40F.
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Post by riogrande on Oct 19, 2023 13:42:57 GMT -8
Guess we'll never see a GE P30CH "Pooch" in Amtrak. I mean we've got most of Amtrak's other motive power already. E & F Units, F40PH, AEM-7, GG1, E44, Siemen's Charger, GE P40/42, and EMD SDP40F. These days, you never know. Hey, even the much rarer Krauss Maffei diesel hydraulics are being produced. ScaleTrains is doing the SD45X. Stranger things have happened. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 19, 2023 13:47:53 GMT -8
Guess we'll never see a GE P30CH "Pooch" in Amtrak. I mean we've got most of Amtrak's other motive power already. E & F Units, F40PH, AEM-7, GG1, E44, Siemen's Charger, GE P40/42, and EMD SDP40F. Still haven't done the as-delivered Empire Builder SDP40F's--AMTK 530-541. Ed |
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Post by riogrande on Oct 19, 2023 14:00:05 GMT -8
Guess we'll never see a GE P30CH "Pooch" in Amtrak. I mean we've got most of Amtrak's other motive power already. E & F Units, F40PH, AEM-7, GG1, E44, Siemen's Charger, GE P40/42, and EMD SDP40F. Still haven't done the as-delivered Empire Builder SDP40F's--AMTK 530-541. Ed Was there 3 or 4 Genesis SDP40F runs? I had to wait until the last run for the ice breaker equipped San Francisco Zephyr SDP40F's. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 19, 2023 15:23:17 GMT -8
Still haven't done the as-delivered Empire Builder SDP40F's--AMTK 530-541. Ed Was there 3 or 4 Genesis SDP40F runs? I had to wait until the last run for the ice breaker equipped San Francisco Zephyr SDP40F's. Three, I think. With Athearn's New Improved website, there's no way to look up old stuff anymore. Pretty sure they've done the Santa Fe route ones, and the SP/UP ones. Just not the Northwest ones. Well, for the west, anyway. I think they've also done some for the east coast north-south route. Just not the Northwest ones. Ed |
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Post by riogrande on Oct 19, 2023 15:25:41 GMT -8
Were the northwest ones the ones with the pointy nose?
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Post by wsor on Oct 20, 2023 2:57:48 GMT -8
The Walthers proto SDS recently came out in the last few months and they had the wrong double fuel tanks. I wanted to wait to see until they were released if they would have the correct single fuel tank, they didn't. A company that is located in Milwaukee should be able to get that right and they didn't. A company who just announced it in Canada is showing 3D renders with the correct single fuel tank. The frame and mechanism design of the Proto SD7-9 puts the motor somewhat low (for parts commonality and drive line smoothness), such that dual tanks are needed. Otherwise it looks like the Athearn Genesis GP38-2 with 1700 gallon tank...  MILW did have 3 SD7s with dual tanks, which have been offered a few times. Originally 2209-2211, renumbered to 509-511. |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 20, 2023 5:11:50 GMT -8
Were the northwest ones the ones with the pointy nose? The pointy ones were 500-539. Ed |
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Post by riogrande on Oct 20, 2023 7:35:39 GMT -8
I can't remember if Athearn did the pointy SDP40F's but I didn't pay attention until the series #58x and #62x with the ice-breakers came out. I'm surprised Athearn hasn't got around the northwest SPF40F's.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 20, 2023 7:50:22 GMT -8
A few seconds of on-line image searching turned this up:  noted as being from the second run. So Athearn HAS done the first batch of SDP40F's. The 529 was most likely used on the old Santa Fe route. I do see that the 529 did spend time in the Northwest--probably should have gotten one. I'm basing me wants on the 1977 assignments listed on page 79 of Craig T. Anderson's "Amtrak 1978-1979 Annual", where it lists 500-529 as being assigned to Barstow, while it shows 530-541 being assigned to Havre. There's also a photo of the Empire Builder on page 20, being pulled by 535 and 533. What I'm after is creating an early Amtrak Builder, with a mix of mostly pre-Amtrak painted cars, but with a few in Amtrak. That's why I ordered a couple of the new Rapido NP coaches. Ed |
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Post by riogrande on Oct 20, 2023 10:40:54 GMT -8
So it's true then. KATO makes the pointy nose SDP40F in N scale, but only the pointy nose. Doesn't look like they will offer the flat nose ever.
An Amtrak rainbow train would be fun to create, and Walthers also offered a number of good candidates from past stock.
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Post by ChessieFan1978 on Oct 20, 2023 10:58:08 GMT -8
Was there 3 or 4 Genesis SDP40F runs? I had to wait until the last run for the ice breaker equipped San Francisco Zephyr SDP40F's. Three, I think. With Athearn's New Improved website, there's no way to look up old stuff anymore.
Pretty sure they've done the Santa Fe route ones, and the SP/UP ones. Just not the Northwest ones. Well, for the west, anyway. I think they've also done some for the east coast north-south route. Just not the Northwest ones. I'm still waiting on the New and Improved part!
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 20, 2023 13:02:11 GMT -8
So it's true then. KATO makes the pointy nose SDP40F in N scale, but only the pointy nose. Doesn't look like they will offer the flat nose ever. An Amtrak rainbow train would be fun to create, and Walthers also offered a number of good candidates from past stock. Yeah, you've got old GN, Blue GN, Loewy NP, Q stainless, BN/GN green, and Amtrak. Yeee-oww. Maybe even the SP&S dome sleeper in Broadstripe. AND: That photo I mentioned shows an SP "economy baggage" behind the locos. Just so happens I bought one of those decades ago. Ed |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Oct 22, 2023 4:38:48 GMT -8
Guess we'll never see a GE P30CH "Pooch" in Amtrak. I mean we've got most of Amtrak's other motive power already. E & F Units, F40PH, AEM-7, GG1, E44, Siemen's Charger, GE P40/42, and EMD SDP40F. Yes, it's weird what manufacturers choose to produce -- rehashes of existing models over other relatively common prototypes: EMD SW1001 (230 produced), Alco S-6 (126), Alco T-6 (57), or a decent EMD Cow-Calf (80 over 7 different models). |
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Post by packer on Oct 22, 2023 4:55:12 GMT -8
A few seconds of on-line image searching turned this up: noted as being from the second run. So Athearn HAS done the first batch of SDP40F's. The 529 was most likely used on the old Santa Fe route. I do see that the 529 did spend time in the Northwest--probably should have gotten one. I'm basing me wants on the 1977 assignments listed on page 79 of Craig T. Anderson's "Amtrak 1978-1979 Annual", where it lists 500-529 as being assigned to Barstow, while it shows 530-541 being assigned to Havre. There's also a photo of the Empire Builder on page 20, being pulled by 535 and 533. What I'm after is creating an early Amtrak Builder, with a mix of mostly pre-Amtrak painted cars, but with a few in Amtrak. That's why I ordered a couple of the new Rapido NP coaches. Ed I would like one (or maybe one an an E or two) in phase II paint (not picky about the nose), but can't ever find one... |
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Post by Baikal on Oct 22, 2023 6:23:01 GMT -8
Guess we'll never see a GE P30CH "Pooch" in Amtrak. I mean we've got most of Amtrak's other motive power already. E & F Units, F40PH, AEM-7, GG1, E44, Siemen's Charger, GE P40/42, and EMD SDP40F. Yes, it's weird what manufacturers choose to produce -- rehashes of existing models over other relatively common prototypes: EMD SW1001 (230 produced), Alco S-6 (126), Alco T-6 (57), or a decent EMD Cow-Calf (80 over 7 different models).
To the S-6 (126) add the identical S-5 (7) and SSB-9 (2 As, 2Bs) and the nearly identical T-6 (57) for a total of 194. The T-6 differs only by having hood numberboard notches similar to the RS-11.
The S-6 was also SP's most numerous switcher during the 60's until the SW-1500s started pouring in. N&W and PRR had most of the T-6s.
So is the S-5/6 the most numerous locomotive that has yet to be produced?
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Post by 690 on Oct 22, 2023 8:54:28 GMT -8
I believe that record may go to the SW1001, with 230 produced.
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Post by slowfreight on Oct 22, 2023 17:40:48 GMT -8
I believe that record may go to the SW1001, with 230 produced. I'm in for EJ&E in a heartbeat, and the LIRR crowd is pretty hard core. |
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Post by hudsonyard on Oct 23, 2023 20:40:20 GMT -8
LIRR and NYA E10s would offer at least 4 different schemes for LIRR and 3 or 4 for New York and Atlantic alone, that is before you get into RDG/CR/NS and EJ&E
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Post by ambluco on Oct 25, 2023 7:11:29 GMT -8
I need an undec SW1001 for a project I have.
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