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Post by wagnersteve on Oct 31, 2023 8:16:15 GMT -8
October 31 -- Happy Halloween! starting about 12:10 p.m.
win70rob, I also have Bowser's version of D&H 1508 and like it very much.
Ed, Bowser a few minutes ago emailed a correction to its latest announcement: "Please note the change of road numbers for the Great Northern Units in this announcement: Items #25532 & #25534 will have cab #223." That means only the GN Society will have #227, although Bowser will produce it for them.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Oct 31, 2023 8:35:19 GMT -8
Thanks, Steve.
Ed
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Post by wagnersteve on Oct 31, 2023 8:52:04 GMT -8
Oct. 31, 12:45 p.m., EDT
You're welcome, Ed. The GN paint scheme on the RS-3 is very handsome, especially because it hasn't been "simplified" by removing the thin yellow stripes. I must admit that the one time I saw Great Northern locos in Omaha Orange and Pullman green with yellow striping "in person", probably in Minnesota in 1963 or 1964, I found them almost a bit garish. The Big Sky Blue livery that followed, which I've seen only in photos and videos, also looked good; but it seemed to me to be more appropriate for use in North Dakota and eastern Montana than in heavily forested areas.
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Post by blhs569 on Oct 31, 2023 11:57:48 GMT -8
sesquicentennial The good news is that unlike Rapido, Bowser puts more focus on the top of the locomotive and will get the Delaware & Hudson colors correct! I’ve got the first run to include D&H 1508 and Bowser did just an absolute beautiful job, both paint and performance so I’m really looking forward to the new D&H units units announced [edited]
Unfortunately, the choice in road numbers in the D&H are not the greatest. Especially the 4094 for the 1970's era. It was one of the five painted for and leased to the upstart P&W in 1973. Was returned about a year later, but was not repainted right away, but have seen a photo in 1977 where it was back in the lightning stripe scheme. However, it was off the roster shortly after as it went to Lamoille Valley as their #7804 in 1978. As I'm modeling the D&H in April / May of 1973 (their sesquicentennial year, the 4094 was gone in February... or in other words, the 1508 and the 4094 were not ever on the property in the lightning stripe scheme at the same time, so it would not be prototypical to run them both on the layout at the same time. The 4125 works for me, but it too was retired in Jan. of '78.
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Post by ambluco on Oct 31, 2023 12:21:57 GMT -8
So write Bowser. They do listen. They just fixed the GN numbers.
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Post by wagnersteve on Oct 31, 2023 13:31:34 GMT -8
Halloween, about 5:30 p.m., EDT, with the sun not quite down and the neighborhood trick-or-treaters not yet having shown up
blhs569, you've made a very good point. Do you have a suggestion for a number to replace 4094? If so, what is it. I'd be happy to try passing it along to Bowser's management myself and would join ambluco in urging you to do so as well.
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Post by hudsonyard on Oct 31, 2023 14:18:53 GMT -8
Lots of neat roads, i don't think i'd ever see southern tuxedo interstate units from the factory anywhere. Wheres my LHR units!! I can only justify so many RDG RS3s. Unfortunately, when the Southern took over the Interstate, Southern shipped those RS-3's to Atlanta for repaint, and then proceeded to use them throughout the south, never to see their home rails again.
I could only imagine reporting to Andover one morning to take a turn up to Dorchester and your RS3s have been replaced with rat bag F-units
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Post by blhs569 on Oct 31, 2023 15:08:43 GMT -8
Halloween, about 5:30 p.m., EDT, with the sun not quite down and the neighborhood trick-or-treaters not yet having shown up blhs569, you've made a very good point. Do you have a suggestion for a number to replace 4094? If so, what is it. I'd be happy to try passing it along to Bowser's management myself and would join ambluco in urging you to do so as well. Personally, I would prefer 4085 as my first choice or 4103 as I have seen photos of both in Green Island which is the location I'm modeling in said period. Plus both lasted into the 1980's (altho no longer in the lightning stripe scheme). |
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Post by nstophat on Oct 31, 2023 15:37:58 GMT -8
Unfortunately, when the Southern took over the Interstate, Southern shipped those RS-3's to Atlanta for repaint, and then proceeded to use them throughout the south, never to see their home rails again.
I could only imagine reporting to Andover one morning to take a turn up to Dorchester and your RS3s have been replaced with rat bag F-units
And some non-dynamic braked GP7's.... |
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Post by wagnersteve on Oct 31, 2023 17:27:29 GMT -8
October 31, about 9:20 p.m., EDT (having helped my wife with the trick-or-treaters, ending about 8, and then having watched with her a great episode of the very badly named Secrets of the Dead public TV series, this one on the building of the Eiffel Tower, which she saw in France before we met)
blhs569, thanks very much for the email that reached my computer about an hour ago. Your suggestion makes good sense. I need to get ready for bed now, but I'll make sure to pass your suggestion on to Lee English at Bowser tomorrow.
I've been to Green Island a few times myself, but not many years ago when the D&H still served several important customers there and in Troy.
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Post by win70rob on Oct 31, 2023 17:52:36 GMT -8
I’m good with whatever number they offer. I admire those who can pick a specific date and time to model but on my layout I just run anything. I love early F units and although all the F2s were gone by the time B&M GP40-2s showed up I still run them together. I do like when the manufacturers are at least able to get the colors right. Bowser just nailed the D&H colors compared to the abominations that Rapido did. Unfortunately I purchased all four units and am stuck with them. As I stated in an earlier post, Lee English seems to focus on the parts of the locomotives that you can actually see on a layout. Regardless of what numbers they run, we all know they will look and run good and have the “correct” colors
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Post by pa4 on Oct 31, 2023 18:14:27 GMT -8
blhs569, you've made a very good point. Do you have a suggestion for a number to replace 4094? If so, what is it. I'd be happy to try passing it along to Bowser's management myself... Steve and blhs569, I'd suggest Bowser do the 4099. It was repainted in 1974, sent to Binghamton at first to handle the Sayre turn, ended up on the north end (was in Fort Edward for a while in '76), then lived out its days at Colonie switching the yard and hauling locals on the Albany main. Sometime after 1981, it got the large blue side numbers. It was still working in 1984 and maybe into '85. That's a long lived unit.
Some good info on the last D&H RS3's: |
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Post by lvrr325 on Oct 31, 2023 20:21:44 GMT -8
I’m good with whatever number they offer. I admire those who can pick a specific date and time to model but on my layout I just run anything. I love early F units and although all the F2s were gone by the time B&M GP40-2s showed up I still run them together. I do like when the manufacturers are at least able to get the colors right. Bowser just nailed the D&H colors compared to the abominations that Rapido did. Unfortunately I purchased all four units and am stuck with them. As I stated in an earlier post, Lee English seems to focus on the parts of the locomotives that you can actually see on a layout. Regardless of what numbers they run, we all know they will look and run good and have the “correct” colors They will probably re-sell fairly easily. I was unhappy with the color of the bright red LV units they did, put them on ebay and they went to Texas IIRC. |
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Post by win70rob on Nov 1, 2023 5:30:55 GMT -8
I have thought about listing them, to be honest I was holding out to see if rapido would make good on them and offer a replacement shell. Due to the “NO” response from 4 emails, my guess is that they refuse to acknowledge their mistake. My other thought was to hire someone to strip and repaint the unit correctly. It’s too bad I can contract Lee English to do that. The colors would be correct and blend in with his RS-3s. Gonna be real happy to get those RS-3m units.
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Post by rockfan on Nov 1, 2023 10:32:37 GMT -8
I said I'd buy the RI units, but I already have the atlas RS3's in this paint scheme.
So maybe not. If it was the C415 I'd definitely buy them.
I bet Bowser has better details, and it should. The Atlas RS3's have to be twenty years old.
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Post by rockisland652 on Nov 1, 2023 10:36:41 GMT -8
I said I'd buy the RI units, but I already have the atlas RS3's in this paint scheme. So maybe not. If it was the C415 I'd definitely buy them. I bet Bowser has better details, and it should. The Atlas RS3's have to be twenty years old. At the Chicagoland RPM show, Matt Herman had on display what he said was a straight up print of the current Espee C415 design file. If so, this little C415 will be a winner. The Bowser RI RS3's should be as good as their previous iterations. |
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Post by oldmuley on Nov 3, 2023 16:45:46 GMT -8
So still no GBW RS3's yet. I'm holding out hope they do one someday. A chopped nose RS20 would be easy to do as well. What's this then?  No, I was thinking more about something like this:  |
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Post by lvrr325 on Nov 5, 2023 20:46:17 GMT -8
LV 212 was shipped to Bowser customers during the week, I forget if there was another one (B&M maybe?) with it.
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Post by prr 4467 on Nov 9, 2023 7:47:17 GMT -8
So still no GBW RS3's yet. I'm holding out hope they do one someday. A chopped nose RS20 would be easy to do as well. GBW RS-3's were done in the very first Bowser RS-3 production run, with flashing rooftop beacons that were neat. They are the easiest locos from that run to find, still brand new, in dealer inventories. Despite the remarkably gorgeous (delivery GBW) paint scheme on them, they seem to not sell as well as most others. There are dealers in and around Pennsylvania who still have them in stock, brand new in box, and I saw them at the last Timonium Show. Shouldn't be too hard to find at all. |
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Post by cpr4200 on Nov 9, 2023 12:09:33 GMT -8
IIRC the NYC RS3's with the rooftop tank were widely used on Harlem Division trains north of North White Plains. At some point (after Amtrak came into being?) they were put in freight service and replaced by ex-NYC E8's (and even later, by FL9's). Some lost their steam generators and the extra water tank on the left side. Bowser's PC version is missing the s/g stack.
Did these engines stay on the Harlem until after the PC merger? I remember seeing a few with the rooftop tanks on the West Shore 1967-68 ish. Only made one trip to NWP 1969-70 ish and saw an NYC lettered RS3 switching and a pair or two of NYC E8's at the engine terminal.
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Post by ambluco on Nov 9, 2023 13:17:35 GMT -8
I have photos of tank ones during PC on former NYC branch lines in western NY State.
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Post by lvrr325 on Nov 9, 2023 14:50:06 GMT -8
Yes, the air tank engines were all over NYC branches in New York. I preordered a few of them.
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