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Post by alcocentury on Nov 26, 2023 17:51:42 GMT -8
Did industrial switchers, i.e. Whitcomb 65 ton(65-De19A) have dual controls? Not enough room? Superfluous?
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 27, 2023 6:34:46 GMT -8
Here's the operating manual for the Army's GE 65T locomotives: www.rr-fallenflags.org/manual/ge-65tom.pdfOn page 4, there's a comment that there's a single station for controls. Seems to me, if anyone was going to have dual controls, it would be the US Army. Consider that switching was done for about a century with locomotives that NEVER had dual controls (steam locomotives). Now envision explaining to accounting how you NOW need that feature. Ed |
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Post by 12bridge on Nov 27, 2023 7:09:35 GMT -8
It was not super common in anything below GP7/9ish levels of switcher. EMD did offer it in SW1200 and SW1500's, however very few were built that way.
It really makes the cabs tight.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 27, 2023 7:25:41 GMT -8
On the BN, there were 8 GP9's and 51 SD9's that had dual controls. Out of ALL their locomotives, inherited and new. Those all came from the Burlington.
Ed
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Post by Baikal on Nov 27, 2023 8:31:19 GMT -8
It was not super common in anything below GP7/9ish levels of switcher. EMD did offer it in SW1200 and SW1500's, however very few were built that way. It really makes the cabs tight.
And there are different types of dual controls.
The most common having two sets of "normal" controls on opposite sides of the cab, facing opposite directions.
Or like the C-415 (and I'm sure others), having a single console in the center of the cab with linked controls on each side of it.
Or having cabs with single controls on either end of the unit / car.
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Post by Baikal on Nov 27, 2023 8:33:54 GMT -8
On the BN, there were 8 GP9's and 51 SD9's that had dual controls. Out of ALL their locomotives, inherited and new. Those all came from the Burlington. Ed
Were the two former SP&S C-415's single control?
SP's were dual control with a huge control console centered in the cab.
Anyone know about Rock Island's C-415s?
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Post by alcocentury on Nov 27, 2023 8:49:30 GMT -8
Thanks. Was pretty sure the answer was no. This forum is full of information, comments, and sometimes a little, let's see, a term that won't get me in trouble escapes at the moment.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 27, 2023 10:40:13 GMT -8
Were the two former SP&S C-415's single control? SP's were dual control with a huge control console centered in the cab. Anyone know about Rock Island's C-415s?
In the SP&S diagram for the C-415, it says: "Control-GE. P Single End (2 Station)" That "G" MIGHT be a "C"--hard to tell. BN painted stripes on both ends of both of them; but, for awhile, 4011 had them only on one end. Some pictures, including cab interior: www.rrpicturearchives.net/modelthumbs.aspx?id=BN&mid=456I'll have to correct my list of double enders, or at least do some more research! Ed |
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Post by Baikal on Nov 27, 2023 11:32:07 GMT -8
Were the two former SP&S C-415's single control? SP's were dual control with a huge control console centered in the cab. Anyone know about Rock Island's C-415s?
In the SP&S diagram for the C-415, it says: "Control-GE. P Single End (2 Station)" That "G" MIGHT be a "C"--hard to tell. BN painted stripes on both ends of both of them; but, for awhile, 4011 had them only on one end. Some pictures, including cab interior: www.rrpicturearchives.net/modelthumbs.aspx?id=BN&mid=456I'll have to correct my list of double enders, or at least do some more research! Ed
From the interior photos they have dual controls on a center console, same as the SP C-415s. Takes up most of the cab.
Curious about RI's.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 28, 2023 14:29:50 GMT -8
BN 4011 had diagonal striping on only one end until about 1974. Then it got the striping on both ends.
I've yet to find useful photos of BN 4010 in its early years of green. There is a shot of it with striping on both ends in 1975. Just don't know if it was always that way, or got the extra stripes later, like 4011.
Ed
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Nov 29, 2023 10:02:23 GMT -8
BN 4011 had diagonal striping on only one end until about 1974. Then it got the striping on both ends. I've yet to find useful photos of BN 4010 in its early years of green. There is a shot of it with striping on both ends in 1975. Just don't know if it was always that way, or got the extra stripes later, like 4011. August 1973, striping at both ends: www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=262726 |
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 29, 2023 13:05:09 GMT -8
I have recalled taking pictures of a BN C-415. Here's one, showing 4010 without the end stripes. Photo date was June 1974, which contradicts the info in the previous post. I suspect either the date is wrong, or the photo is misinterpreted. When I saw that same photo several days ago, I did think there MIGHT be evidence of white striping on the far end. But I wasn't convinced.  Both 4010 and 4011 appear to have gotten their added striping late '74-early '75. I believe both got their green paint in November of 1972. Also shown is one of the two former GN units that were their only examples of DB on their SD7's and SD9's. Hope Walthers does one, someday. Ed |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Nov 29, 2023 15:01:38 GMT -8
Great photo, Ed! Yes, both got their Cascade Green dip in Nov '72:
SP&S 100 renumbered BN 4010 5-11-70 Vancouver, repainted 11-8-72 Vancouver
SP&S 101 renumbered BN 4011 7-27-70 Vancouver, repainted 11-17-72 Vancouver
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Nov 29, 2023 15:10:54 GMT -8
Update: The August '73 date on that photo (https://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=262726) must be wrong. There's a 2nd-generation Ford Mustang in the background which was released in ... September '73.
If the photo was taken August '74 then the timeline on everything works.
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Post by 12bridge on Nov 29, 2023 16:09:42 GMT -8
The dual Prime 8901's on that thing is interesting.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Nov 29, 2023 17:26:47 GMT -8
I'm hoping that the Bowser model will have working lights up on the roof. My OMI ones don't. An irritation is the void under the lights, which will likely be "filled" with wires. Unless, of course, someone uses the support as LED leads.
THAT would be fantastic! Look Ma, no wires!!!
Ed
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