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Post by grabirons on Jan 9, 2024 20:19:12 GMT -8
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Post by cpr4200 on Jan 9, 2024 21:16:15 GMT -8
"Hypotypical"  ? |
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Jan 9, 2024 22:10:45 GMT -8
"Hypotypical" ? My controversial opinion is that this is a horrible name. It's difficult to understand and it doesn't really fit in with their other product lines. In theory it makes sense, 'hypo' meaning 'low', so a hypotypical model is a low-prototypical model, but the word doesn't really flow. What is a Hypotype? Some kind of medical condition? It's just a weird word that doesn't really fit with the jargon of the hobby. I think a better brand would have been 'Freelancer'. It's the opposite of Rivet Counter, so it implies the model does not follow a prototype and is a fantasy model. It's a word that most modelers are familiar with, so the purpose of the product line can be much more easily conveyed to customers. The lineup of: Museum Quality, Rivet Counter, Freelancer, Operator, Kit Classic makes sense. Now replace Freelancer with Hypotypical and read it again: Museum Quality, Rivet Counter, Hypotypical, Operator, Kit Classic. One of those words just stands out like a sore thumb. Scaletrains has been known to change their logo and branding in the past, so hopefully this line of products can be renamed in the future. |
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Post by cemr5396 on Jan 9, 2024 22:22:19 GMT -8
"Hypotypical" ? My controversial opinion is that this is a horrible name. I don't think that's a controversial opinion at all. It would require me a significant amount of effort to come up with something worse than that. Congrats Scale Trains, not only did nobody ask for this, you managed to give it maybe the worst name possible. |
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Post by cpr4200 on Jan 9, 2024 22:44:28 GMT -8
Just read ST's definition. Non-prototypical paint schemes on Rivet Counter-quality cars. High end foobies? Why?
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Jan 9, 2024 22:56:25 GMT -8
Just read ST's definition. Non-prototypical paint schemes on Rivet Counter-quality cars. High end foobies? Why? It's basically their version of Legendary Liveries. I think we have discussed Athearn's reasoning for that product line on this forum plenty of times, and I expect Scaletrains is doing it for the same reason. |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jan 10, 2024 2:45:28 GMT -8
And, again, it's robbing Peter to pay Paul. There's only so many hobby dollars to go around.
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Post by gevohogger on Jan 10, 2024 4:56:50 GMT -8
1970 called and wants its New Haven, B&O and Burlington DD40s back.
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Post by bnsf971 on Jan 10, 2024 5:01:13 GMT -8
Why not just say "what if?" and be done with it? I think nearly everyone would understand that, it would get the point across, and potential buyers would be warned it ain't according to Hoyle.
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Post by wagnersteve on Jan 10, 2024 5:02:57 GMT -8
1/10/2024, starting 7:52 a.m., EST
I have no problem with model railroad suppliers' making non-prototypical cars as long as they acknowledge them as such. Athearn, Atlas, Bowser, Rapido Trains and now Scale Trains make some effort to do so. If making products of that sort helps keep them in business and able to make other products that please those who want more authentic models, I think more discriminating -- in the old, positive sense of that term -- modelers ought to strive to be content.
Two of the best old Latin maxims are suum cuique ("each to his [or her] own") and de gustibus non est disputandum ("there's to be no arguing about tastes"). The equivalent in French is, with the proper diacritical marks missing, is chacun a son gout (each to his [or her] taste), famously the punch line of a song sung by Count Orlowsky -- a classic Hosenrolle -- a male role sung by a female singer -- in the Viennese operetta Die Fledermaus ("The Bat") by Johann Strauss, Jr., a favorite on New Year's Eve, possibly because it's so long. (In my opinion the final act is really much too long.)
This is a hobby, after all. What each of us can spend in money and time is not unlimited, and we get to choose what we buy and/or build.
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Post by gevohogger on Jan 10, 2024 5:09:45 GMT -8
I suppose it's inevitable, that the pendulum that had swung away from the Gorre & Daphetids of the past towards the prototype modeling of today, would eventually start to swing back from where it came. What's next.... Tangent foobies? Moloco foobies? An Athearn Genesis Thomas or Chuggington locomotive?
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Post by wagnersteve on Jan 10, 2024 5:17:09 GMT -8
1/10/2024, starting 8:07 a.m., EST
grabirons, thanks for starting this thread and posting the link to many very numerous products from Scale Trains. It goes on for MANY pages; I didn't go all the way to the end, noticing that many of the later ones are already sold out.
I think many are attractive, but most are too big for my layout and many newer than cars or locos that interest me most. Typical of my own tastes, the ones I am most attracted to are lettered for railroads or other companies to which I have some sentimental ties, such as Continental Baking's Wonder Bread / Hostess Cakes Airslides, which I used to see at a big bakery in Natick, MA, now replaced with a trendy shopping mall -- now with many vacancies -- and pricey housing, or the Cabot carbon black cars and the Norchem big covered hopper. I don't buy Continental Baking products but have some cars in similar paint schemes from other suppliers: I have a kit for an earlier Cabot car I have yet to finish assembling.
KIt Classics are apparently a small part of Scale Trains' business, but I like the two quad hoppers and the Erie mill got I hope to finish assembling as soon as I can find the Kadee whisker-type couplers I am sure I have somewhere, which I want to substitute for the ones without magnetic trip pins that come in those kits. They're certainly better than some of the oldest Athearn mostly plastic cars I still have.
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Post by cn2240 on Jan 10, 2024 6:01:38 GMT -8
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Post by jeoffreythecat on Jan 10, 2024 6:05:16 GMT -8
I suppose it's inevitable, that the pendulum that had swung away from the Gorre & Daphetids of the past towards the prototype modeling of today, would eventually start to swing back from where it came. What's next.... Tangent foobies? Moloco foobies? An Athearn Genesis Thomas or Chuggington locomotive? Well, in 2015 Tangent produced their Bethlehem gondolas for the Allagash RR of Mike Confalone. Two separate numbers of a foobie that quickly sold out. It doesn't seem to have affected "serious" modelers view of them eight years later. I presume all of their products that Home Shops is utilizing today to produce cars for freelance railroads is helping Tangent's bottom line. |
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Post by ssw on Jan 10, 2024 6:19:24 GMT -8
Is it just me, or is the "hypotypical" in their ads in the Tyco font?
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Post by sd80mac on Jan 10, 2024 6:23:01 GMT -8
A good reminder for most of us here is that we, as prototype modelers, are the minority. The vast majority of hobbyists buy things because they like them, or only collect a certain road because they like the color blue, and have no problems running ES44ACs with steam era boxcars. There is a huge "modern SP" community on Facebook that buys anything and everything Southern Pacific (the Black Widow Gevos Intermountain did way back when are like gold to them) who is constantly asking Athearn and Scaletrains for modern equipment in SP paint.
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Post by cn2240 on Jan 10, 2024 7:03:35 GMT -8
A good reminder for most of us here is that we, as prototype modelers, are the minority. The vast majority of hobbyists buy things because they like them, or only collect a certain road because they like the color blue, and have no problems running ES44ACs with steam era boxcars. There is a huge "modern SP" community on Facebook that buys anything and everything Southern Pacific (the Black Widow Gevos Intermountain did way back when are like gold to them) who is constantly asking Athearn and Scaletrains for modern equipment in SP paint. Black Widow GEVO? All I see is the Bloody Nose one or is that when you meant? |
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Post by sd80mac on Jan 10, 2024 7:17:05 GMT -8
A good reminder for most of us here is that we, as prototype modelers, are the minority. The vast majority of hobbyists buy things because they like them, or only collect a certain road because they like the color blue, and have no problems running ES44ACs with steam era boxcars. There is a huge "modern SP" community on Facebook that buys anything and everything Southern Pacific (the Black Widow Gevos Intermountain did way back when are like gold to them) who is constantly asking Athearn and Scaletrains for modern equipment in SP paint. Black Widow GEVO? All I see is the Bloody Nose one or is that when you meant? Correct, I was thinking of the BLI Black Widow Gevos. |
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Post by cera2254 on Jan 10, 2024 9:10:24 GMT -8
They should let BLI fill that market with their stuff, and keep doing the prototype models we still need. I know they say that it helps pay for some of the other models, but it also fills production slots that could be used for other things.
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Post by edwardsutorik on Jan 10, 2024 10:23:03 GMT -8
I'll mention that the Fox Valley GN flat is sorta almost kinda a GN flat.
If ya care.
There were 300 of these built for GN. It'd be nice to see an accurate model.
Ed
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Post by cpr4200 on Jan 10, 2024 11:17:13 GMT -8
Just read ST's definition. Non-prototypical paint schemes on Rivet Counter-quality cars. High end foobies? Why? It's basically their version of Legendary Liveries. I think we have discussed Athearn's reasoning for that product line on this forum plenty of times, and I expect Scaletrains is doing it for the same reason. I have to admit that some of that stuff is somewhat appealing if it's done well, such as the Athearn IC SD70. |
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Post by randyb on Jan 10, 2024 13:23:20 GMT -8
Interested in the flat cars, it's my understanding these are ex-MTH tooling. Any feedback on them both in their own right and differences vs. the Intermountain 60' flat car?
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Post by Mr. Trainiac on Jan 10, 2024 13:45:14 GMT -8
Interested in the flat cars, it's my understanding these are ex-MTH tooling. Any feedback on them both in their own right and differences vs. the Intermountain 60' flat car? The only thing the Intermountain flatcar has going for it is the wood deck. The real discussion is MTH vs Walthers. I have an Intermountain model, and I'm not very happy with it. The car is the old kit tooling, and there is a lot of flash and poor-fitting parts. The molds are starting to look a bit tired. I completely disassembled mine and rebuilt it to clean up the parts and assemble them better. It's still very light; so it needs a load to even be close to NMRA weight. In terms of detail and accuracy, it depends on the prototype you are modeling. I am coming at this from the perspective of HTTX/OTTX vehicle flats. I'm sure there are other railroads that use these cars, but my research was for that car. The Walthers model is the most accurate around the corners of the car, but the grab irons and smaller details aren't as good as MTH. These cars have a rub rail between the tiedown tensioner pockets. On HTTX flats, it should not continue over the corner stirrups. Walthers is the only one of the three that terminates the rub rail at the last pocket rather than continuing all the way to the end sill. HTTX and some OTTX flatcars have a ratchet-style handbrake. All three of the HO scale models have vertical brakewheels on the ends of the car. I would lean towards MTH as the car with the best overall detail, but there are instances where the Walthers model could be a more accurate car. |
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Post by riogrande on Jan 10, 2024 14:42:21 GMT -8
The only thing the Intermountain flatcar has going for it is the wood deck. I had one of those Intermountain flat cars. The deck had a tendency to bow upward. I tried to straighten in several times and it would look straight but eventually the bow would return.   Eventually I sold it. |
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Jan 10, 2024 15:21:56 GMT -8
Wonder why they didn’t just call them ST Foobies and be done with it!? They’re still on my blackball list for not providing some sort of guidance for assembling their highly detailed but fiercely aggravating kit locos.  At least an ho scale white cane..  |
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Post by hudsonyard on Jan 10, 2024 15:25:33 GMT -8
Foobies sell, go walk around your local club on a saturday or whenever the roundy-run crew gathers. You'll see factory sound at max volume, plastic couplers and fantasy schemes galore. The choo-choo crowd doesn't complain about prototype fidelity and they love to spend money.
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Post by kentuckysouthernrwy on Jan 10, 2024 15:30:04 GMT -8
Foobies sell, go walk around your local club on a saturday or whenever the roundy-run crew gathers. You'll see factory sound at max volume, plastic couplers and fantasy schemes galore. The choo-choo crowd doesn't complain about prototype fidelity and they love to spend money. Be a shame if those folks were just having fun…now if I could just fit a keep alive in my Thomas…  |
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Post by GP40P-2 on Jan 10, 2024 16:15:23 GMT -8
Oooooh, I'll have to try "Hypotypical" at work and see if it flies.....
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Post by TBird1958 on Jan 10, 2024 19:38:33 GMT -8
Page after page of posuers, and yet no early UP SD40-2, no Rio Grande SD45s, no, thanks.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Jan 10, 2024 19:43:34 GMT -8
The only thing the Intermountain flatcar has going for it is the wood deck. I had one of those Intermountain flat cars. The deck had a tendency to bow upward. I tried to straighten in several times and it would look straight but eventually the bow would return. Eventually I sold it. We're drifting off-topic here... Just wanted to point out this list of TTX reporting marks: www.nakina.net/other/report/reportttx.htmlNote that OTTX cars have chain tie downs for transporting equipment, mostly vehicles. Never say never but I've never seen one used for hauling lumber: www.flickr.com/search/?text=OTTX |
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