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Post by bn7023 on Mar 21, 2024 18:06:57 GMT -8
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Post by jbilbrey on Mar 23, 2024 20:31:30 GMT -8
Shortly after we moved to our new home in 2021, my son found an Athearn Metal Deep Rock 3-dome tank car at a local antique store. Example of Athearn Deep Rock Tank CarI did some minor repairs like bending down the end sills and touching up the paint where bare metal was showing. The car has sprung trucks and dummy "scale" couplers which I didn't bother changing since they were "staked" in place bythe original builder. While crude in some areas, it does have such details as free-standing grab-irons on the corners. Lately, I have been having fun tracking down "budget brass" at local shows which is definitely an off-shoot of refurbishing junk. As more and more detailed steam locomotives are released, one can find some real deals on older brass locomotives. |
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 24, 2024 9:18:00 GMT -8
Yes, the brass market really has taken a fall lately. Some engines that used to command pretty good money now bring half what they used to, and if it's something there's a modern example of the brass ones tend to be super cheap. Of course, the engine I want is still $600 though.
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Post by bn7023 on Mar 27, 2024 11:28:10 GMT -8
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Post by sd40dash2 on Mar 27, 2024 12:21:19 GMT -8
^ Thank you for posting but I would urge you to consider replacing that awful brakewheel with a Kadee or Tichy part.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Mar 27, 2024 22:33:03 GMT -8
I would want to thin down that running board.
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Post by bn7023 on Mar 27, 2024 23:32:54 GMT -8
Why do you pay attention to the brake wheel and the running board? If we look at the whole, the stirrups, ladders, grab irons, name boards, doors, and door guides are all thick, so they all harmonize. Besides, I think that if I fix everything, there would be no point in starting with this junk product. 4100 page 72 of Walthers HO catalog 1993 edition |
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 28, 2024 3:31:53 GMT -8
Those are ex-Train Miniature cars I believe
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Post by Baikal on Mar 28, 2024 6:01:21 GMT -8
This could bring hours of enjoyment. HOn3 shay, bidding starts at $50.
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Post by jbilbrey on Mar 28, 2024 6:57:36 GMT -8
Yes, the brass market really has taken a fall lately. Some engines that used to command pretty good money now bring half what they used to, and if it's something there's a modern example of the brass ones tend to be super cheap. Of course, the engine I want is still $600 though. Same here. For me, it is good luck finding a PFM L&N 2-8-0. And when comes up for sale, they are $600 to $700. It sometimes fun to find out the provenance of some of the older locomotives and rolling stock. Last night, I searching for [and found a copy of the May 1988 "Model Railroader". Even though I had looked through the magazine countless times, the article on the Auburn, Coloma & Placerville Ry jumped out at me. Sure enough, a brass engine that picked up around this time last year was owned by Allan Phillips and can be seen in one of the photos. |
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Post by sd40dash2 on Mar 28, 2024 6:59:11 GMT -8
Why do you pay attention to the brake wheel and the running board? If we look at the whole, the stirrups, ladders, grab irons, name boards, doors, and door guides are all thick, so they all harmonize. Besides, I think that if I fix everything, there would be no point in starting with this junk product. We have a disease. 
You can and should model whatever you like and we will continue to enjoy your thread. But we pay attention to things like running boards, brake wheel, stirrups, uncoupling levers, brake lines and air hoses because you have put in the effort and spent a lot on metal wheels, paint and new couplers. Wood running boards can be done for pennies with strip styrene, a Kadee brake wheel might cost you 50-75 cents, stirrups maybe $1, uncoupling levers and brake lines pennies if you bend your own and Kadee air hoses maybe 50 cents per car? You are only $2-3 away from making a junk car significantly better. That would also more closely match the thread title "refurbishing junk".
Again, I know we all have different interest and detail levels in this hobby. Only do what makes you happy of course. But sometimes you can derive a lot MORE unexpected happiness when you try learning simple new things, buying better parts and expanding your skill set just a bit. I have learned a LOT from others here and definitely experienced that joy myself and am just wondering if for minimal cost you might also experience the same happiness? Value for money!
Happy modelling!
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Post by dti406 on Mar 28, 2024 7:15:40 GMT -8
Not really junk but an early car that needs some upgrades to look better with today's more highly detailed models. An old AHM Covered Hopper, that was dimensionly incorrect for a 2893 CF car and more accurately represents a 2929 CF car. I removed all the bookcase ladders and grabs and replaced the ladders with left over ladders from Intermountain PS1 boxcar kits. New A-Line Sill Steps, a Plano Roofwalk and added airlines. _IMG_0141.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) _IMG_0218.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) This was all based on an article by Mont Switzer in Mainline Modeler. Rick Jesionowski |
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 28, 2024 7:22:04 GMT -8
Yes, the brass market really has taken a fall lately. Some engines that used to command pretty good money now bring half what they used to, and if it's something there's a modern example of the brass ones tend to be super cheap. Of course, the engine I want is still $600 though. Same here. For me, it is good luck finding a PFM L&N 2-8-0. And when comes up for sale, they are $600 to $700. It sometimes fun to find out the provenance of some of the older locomotives and rolling stock. Last night, I searching for [and found a copy of the May 1988 "Model Railroader". Even though I had looked through the magazine countless times, the article on the Auburn, Coloma & Placerville Ry jumped out at me. Sure enough, a brass engine that picked up around this time last year was owned by Allan Phillips and can be seen in one of the photos. What's even worse is some years ago when the RIT Tiger Tracks show was still a one day show, I got there late - my old Suburban had the trans cooler lines replaced with hose all the way, and one rubbed through, so I had to piece it together on the side of the road, lucky the thing didn't catch fire as it was blowing right on the manifolds - and a guy I know tells me he bought one for $125 from another vendor there. Lehigh Valley 4-8-4. Even then they brought about the same money. |
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Post by bn7023 on Mar 30, 2024 15:48:53 GMT -8
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Post by bn7023 on Apr 1, 2024 11:21:59 GMT -8
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Post by bn7023 on Apr 3, 2024 7:18:47 GMT -8
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Post by lvrr325 on Apr 3, 2024 7:27:29 GMT -8
Did AHM import those for a while too?
Strange that Mantua did given they had their own line of freight cars.
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Post by bn7023 on Apr 4, 2024 0:56:53 GMT -8
lvrr325, I agree. According to Tony Cook's AHM Standard Cupola Caboose collection (HO-Scale Trains Resource), it can be inferred that there were three series. tycotrain.tripod.com/ahmhoscalefreightcars/id2.html 4930I have organized the AHM product numbers in the table below. I think the Kader products were the successor to Mantua/Crown (1963-1964?), and after AHM they became Bachmann (1972-). Roco products, on the other hand, were the successor to ATT (American Train & Track 1967-1970). Unfortunately I do not have access to these AHM products.  |
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Post by lvrr325 on Apr 4, 2024 8:01:35 GMT -8
The Roco made cars have their own odd tale. AHM sold them, a few were sold as Lionel HO pieces, Con-Cor then sold some as kits on the 1980s, and then in the early DCC era Roco made up their own sets with the GP40 first made for Atlas and three of these cars, converted to body mount knuckle couplers. The sets even have a unique version of EZ-track and a digital controller. Someone here locally got a hold of a bunch from E-R Models in Newark NY (just down the road) which somehow made their way to a pawn guy who sometimes sets up at the flea market, where I bought a few of the sets and broke them up.
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Post by wagnersteve on Apr 4, 2024 16:41:21 GMT -8
4/4/2024, about 8:36 p.m.
If my recollection is correct, in the summer of 1966, Roco and/or Liliput, which I think were the same firm, had a shop at the Prater in Vienna, the famous park and amusement area with the giant old style Riesenrad (Ferris Wheel) that many Americans may remember from the classic movie The Third Man, which captured the intrigue of Vienna before the four-power occupation of it and Austria ended in 1955 or from one of the episodes of the recent Vienna Blood mysteries on public TV, portraying the city before the First World War, where the same freight cars it made for AHM were actually being sold for prices higher than what AHM charged for them in the USA. Bernie Paul must have made quite a deal with the Austrian firm!
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Post by bn7023 on Apr 5, 2024 9:20:09 GMT -8
We have previously talked about the Austrian Roco and Liliput models imported by AHM. atlasrescueforum.proboards.com/thread/8747/ahm-stock-car-1-6?page=2 5288This time, it's about Con-Cor. I will tell you that of the two companies, Con-Cor is only related to Liliput. First, take a look at the Con-Cor 15th Anniversary Boxcar. Here are only the names of PREISER, Liliput, HELJAN and KATO, and no Roco.     Next is an advertisement placed by Con-Cor in the April 1989 issue of MR magazine, which states that they have taken over molds for three models from Liliput. 40' PS-1 slide-door boxcar, 40' PS-1 plug-door boxcar, and 45' PS-2 Covered Hopper.  Click here to enlargeMilwaukee Road MILW 30141, 40' PS-1 slide-door boxcar (Con-Cor)  Burlington Nortern RBWX 60218, 40' PS-1 insulated boxcar (Con-Cor)  Burlington Northern BN 435103, PS-2 3215 cu.ft. covered hopper (Con-Cor/Ishlington decals)  I think it is better to distinguish between Roco and Liliput when talking about AHM. |
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Post by lvrr325 on Apr 5, 2024 9:48:06 GMT -8
Con-Cor was related to about everyone at some point; that commemorative box car is an Athearn and they offered some custom runs of Athearn locomotives. I assumed the freight cars were Roco because they also sold runs of Roco GP38, GP40, E7 and E9 that had previously been offered by Atlas and Model Power respectively.
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Post by bn7023 on Apr 13, 2024 9:15:04 GMT -8
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Post by bn7023 on Apr 20, 2024 9:54:27 GMT -8
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Post by bn7023 on Apr 22, 2024 2:25:43 GMT -8
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Post by atsfcf7 on Apr 24, 2024 6:50:06 GMT -8
Slot and Wing Hobbies 40' boxcar (Athearn/a 3rd party c2000)  1040 West Bloomington Road, Champaign, IL 61821 ( Google Map Street View) If that's the hobby shop I think it is, it was located outside the main gate at Chanute AFB in Rantoul, Illinois before they closed the base. I used to buy a lot of scale model aircraft at that hobby shop while I was stationed there for technical training in 1981/82. I spent an hour at this hobby shop one October morning in 2016 before the Purdue / Illinois football game (my son played for Purdue). Had a really good visit with one of the owners; she let me "cherry-pick" some stuff that she was unboxing from Walthers. It was a really good day; Purdue won in OT, my son had a good game, and it was my birthday weekend. Worth the 17 hour drive from Texas. |
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Post by bn7023 on Apr 30, 2024 10:42:04 GMT -8
What did he make? (1) 6543 Do you have any ideas for breathing life into this? Is there no use it than removing as parts?
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Post by edwardsutorik on Apr 30, 2024 15:11:19 GMT -8
I think it could make a very presentable MOW car. Yes, it needs work. But MOW cars being what they are, that work can be pretty creative. Within reason.
And I rather like the arch bar trucks (but not the missing wheel, of course).
There's a likely need to "beef up" the flat car deck--looks kinda flimsy!
Another problem could be that the one ladder only supplies access to only one walkway. You could either remove the other, or add a ladder. Or add a platform around the dome. Yup, could be fun!
Ed
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Post by hudsonyard on Apr 30, 2024 15:54:44 GMT -8
thats a...interesting piece of equipment. looks like someone shortened a bluebox tank car. I could see maybe attempting to make it into a fire fighting tank car like this pair that the LIRR has. They position them on the eastern end branches during the summer months when it can get quite dry. It was rostered as a reaction to the 1995 wildfires that tore through the southern end of the pine barrens.  they may have been used in 2012 when a smaller but still significant fire burned. I once saw one of them positioned with a surfacing crew spraying down fresh ballast to keep down dust. |
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Post by lvrr325 on Apr 30, 2024 18:31:14 GMT -8
My guess is an attempt at a weed spraying or fire fighting tank; the wire and pin tell me it may have been used to pick up power for a locomotive of some sort. Or that's the hose and nozzle.
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