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Post by bn7023 on Mar 6, 2024 12:15:37 GMT -8
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Post by sd40dash2 on Mar 6, 2024 12:26:57 GMT -8
Great job on the modelling, photography and thread! Keep the junk caboose refurbs coming!
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Post by bn7023 on Mar 7, 2024 8:45:05 GMT -8
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Mar 7, 2024 9:25:23 GMT -8
Which coupler boxes are these? And why did you mount them upside down? |
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Post by bn7023 on Mar 7, 2024 10:28:28 GMT -8
Grabirons also asked about coupler boxes. I'm preparing photos, so please wait a moment for a reply.
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 7, 2024 10:31:13 GMT -8
What road caboose was this actually intended to represent? Anything?
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Post by sd40dash2 on Mar 7, 2024 14:03:10 GMT -8
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Post by wagnersteve on Mar 7, 2024 14:38:41 GMT -8
3/7/24, about 5:37 p.m.
lvrr325, the basic design of the caboose looks like a standard Santa Fe type, like the first one Athearn made mostly of high impact polystyrene ca. 1957. The GM&O actually had some very similar cars -- see an old MR or Trains magazine article from the 1950s about riding a doodlebug on a former Chicago & Alton route from Illinois to Kansas City. So did the Grand Trunk Western.
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 7, 2024 15:24:31 GMT -8
No, it's different from the Athearn car by a great deal. The cupola side windows are greatly different and the main body lacks two windows on one side where it should have five. Notice the truss rod frame (the black thread one was to use to represent the truss rods is absent) - it may be MDC just tooled this as a steel version of their wood side cars, which shared that underframe with the Overton passenger cars.
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Post by bn7023 on Mar 7, 2024 15:30:45 GMT -8
This MDC product first appeared in MR magazine on page 12 of the January 1979 issue, where it was reported that undec and 6 railroad names would be released. And page 82 of Walthers' HO catalog 1980 edition is next. The photo shows black D&RGW scheme.  The sample photo became Ontario Northland and continued to be published until the early 2000s. |
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 7, 2024 15:55:17 GMT -8
I had a couple of Rio Grande cars when I bought a collection of all D&RGW stuff. The picture you shared is I think Bill McClanahan's model railroad Texas & Rio Grande Western, which was featured in MR a few times.
It may just be a steel version of their wood caboose kit. The roof and underframe are the same parts. Be fun to sub that body in one of the 3-in-1 rotary plow kits.
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Post by wagnersteve on Mar 7, 2024 16:00:58 GMT -8
3/7/24, shortly before 7 p.m., EST
lvrr325, you're right; thanks for the corrections. bn7023, ditto.
The Texas & Rio Grande Western R.R., for which the caboose in the photo bn7023 posted was lettered, was Bill McClanahan's HO model railroad in the Lone Star State. He was the editorial cartoonist for a daily newspaper in Dallas and author of a book on building model railroad scenery published by Kalmbach in the 1950s and/or 1960s, which preceded many later innovations in that area of our hobby.
lvrr325, I hadn't seen your latest post in this thread when I started writing this one.
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 7, 2024 18:01:55 GMT -8
His railroad was the subject of multiple magazine articles, too.
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Post by packer on Mar 9, 2024 10:53:18 GMT -8
 An “Industrial Rail” (life-like) boxcar. Sprayed with a krylon clear flat, then masked the roof and ends. Then painted with krylon black, the. Clear flatted again. Used a razor saw to cut down the bolsters, plugged the pin hole with a sprue and used a pair of Walther’s trucks*. Also body mounted couplers. Good enough for a club car. *I have like 70 pairs of these left from my ore cars |
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Post by bn7023 on Mar 10, 2024 3:57:17 GMT -8
Which coupler boxes are these? And why did you mount them upside down? Sorry I made you wait. That was the part I had a hard time with, so I did my best to prepare photos. 1043
 The coupler boxes attached to this caboose were made by myself and were made of Kadee #242 gearbox with pieces of styrene plate (0.040" thick) glued on (with liquid cement, MEK or d-limonene). The next photo using white styrene plates is for the Athearn BB 50' boxcars. Normally, black styrene is used, but I made those white to make those easier for everyone to understand.  The machine screws inserted from the top of the caboose's coupler boxes are only used to prevent the lids from coming off easily. These are ultra-thin head machine screws with dimensions M2 x 4-mm. It is not necessary once the lids are glued to the boxes. |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Mar 10, 2024 5:04:29 GMT -8
Which coupler boxes are these? And why did you mount them upside down? Sorry I made you wait. That was the part I had a hard time with, so I did my best to prepare photos. 1043
The coupler boxes attached to this caboose were made by myself and were made of Kadee #242 gearbox with pieces of styrene plate (0.040" thick) glued on (with likid cement, MEK or d-limonene). The next photo using white styrene plates is for the Athearn BB 50' boxcars. Normally, black styrene is used, but I made those white to make those easier for everyone to understand. The machine screws inserted from the top of the caboose's coupler boxes are only used to prevent the lids from coming off easily. These are ultra-thin head machine screws with dimensions M2 x 4-mm. It is not necessary once the lids are glued to the boxes. Nice work. I may have to try this on a couple of club-runner cabooses. I take back my comment about them being upside down: Kadee's instructions (http://www.kadee.com/media/documents/242ins.pdf) allow for these coupler pockets to be used in either orientation, but they recommend the "lid" be on top -- as you have done -- so I guess that can be construed as being more correct. |
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Post by lvrr325 on Mar 11, 2024 0:52:55 GMT -8
An “Industrial Rail” (life-like) boxcar. Sprayed with a krylon clear flat, then masked the roof and ends. Then painted with krylon black, the. Clear flatted again. Used a razor saw to cut down the bolsters, plugged the pin hole with a sprue and used a pair of Walther’s trucks*. Also body mounted couplers. Good enough for a club car. *I have like 70 pairs of these left from my ore cars Probably the next thing I'd do on this one is clean up those door claws, at least the top ones as they stand out. Or be extra lazy and just make the next one from an older release of these that didn't have those. That tooling originated with Varney in the late 50s so there's no shortage of examples to mess around with, I think I have 2 or 3 in my HO junkers bin right now. Other than that though it does look good for a club runner. |
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Post by bn7023 on Mar 11, 2024 8:26:42 GMT -8
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Post by wagnersteve on Mar 11, 2024 13:16:55 GMT -8
3/11/24, about 5:14 p.m., EDT
bn7023, you've certainly imnp;roved the appearance of the model, as shown by the photos you posted. Did the real car retain high ladders on and near the its A end as well as its B end?
about 5:22 - 5:29 p.m.
I've just corrected a typo. I've also answered my own question, at least well enough to satisfy myself. Photos at rr-fallenflags.org from the 1970's show CP 165243, 165249 and 165258 in the same paint scheme, with high brake wheel and ladders on and near the B end, but shortened ladders at the A end. More important, the ends are quite different from those on the MDC model, rather resembling but not identical to Pullman-Standard's usual ends on its PS-1 cars. But I still think your model looks very good.
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Post by TBird1958 on Mar 11, 2024 13:28:07 GMT -8
As long as the starting point has good "bones" it's something I really enjoy. 30 year old Atlas  |
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Post by bn7023 on Mar 11, 2024 18:28:27 GMT -8
Thank you, wagnersteve, for your comment. The yellow sticker near A-end is meant to be an indulgence. Is this word used correctly? In Japanese, the word is translated as an amulet that wards off sin.  |
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Post by packer on Mar 12, 2024 7:08:05 GMT -8
lvrr325: I could go back and cut them off. I did glue the door in place bn7023: I like the added vents
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Post by michaele on Mar 12, 2024 10:03:48 GMT -8
Slot and Wing Hobbies 40' boxcar (Athearn/a 3rd party c2000)      1040 West Bloomington Road, Champaign, IL 61821 ( Google Map Street View) If that's the hobby shop I think it is, it was located outside the main gate at Chanute AFB in Rantoul, Illinois before they closed the base. I used to buy a lot of scale model aircraft at that hobby shop while I was stationed there for technical training in 1981/82. |
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Post by GP40P-2 on Mar 12, 2024 11:38:50 GMT -8
As long as the starting point has good "bones" it's something I really enjoy. 30 year old Atlas Good bones like that Chicken of the Sea car that you showed on April 1 a few years ago?  ?? |
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Post by Colin 't Hart on Mar 12, 2024 12:19:31 GMT -8
As long as the starting point has good "bones" it's something I really enjoy. Good bones like that Chicken of the Sea car that you showed on April 1 a few years ago? ?? That sounds curious... link? |
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Post by TBird1958 on Mar 12, 2024 12:50:30 GMT -8
High speed Tuna Fish service to the East Coast! Here's some BS I made up, let's not be too serious! ATSF 25007, one of 10 cars in series 25000-25009 built at the railroad's Cleburne, TX shops in 9/63 for high speed Tuna Fish service from eastern connections to the west coast. The prototype featured a unique truck mounted coupler which proved to be derailment prone at track speed and especially during switching moves. This along with the cast, non usable steps and ladders made the cars difficult to use and they were not well liked by the crews and were often the last cars in train, except when helpers were required, then the cars had to be re-spotted behind the power. Ocassional leakage of the commodity caused these cars to smell rather bad and more than a few of the crews assigned to switch the cars in L.A.were overcome by fumes after a few days of hot summer sun. While a bold experiment in service to a single high dollar application the cars were withdrawn from service after less than ten years, the lack of a suitable backhaul only hastened their demise.  |
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Post by bn7023 on Mar 13, 2024 8:45:52 GMT -8
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Post by sd40dash2 on Mar 13, 2024 10:28:56 GMT -8
^ Nice work. Perhaps some Tichy stirrups and Kadee brakewheels along with air hoses and uncoupling levers could be added to future such projects?
Any chance of seeing the underframes as well? That's where the technical business of rolling stock happens. Would love to see photos of your completed underframes!
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Post by bn7023 on Mar 13, 2024 12:53:27 GMT -8
As sd40dash2 imagines, the underframe of this model has no detail. It remains in stock condition. Please see the next photo. That's a different model though. MDC-Roundhouse sold a part called "#2990 AB brake set" separately. 1798 |
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Post by wagnersteve on Mar 13, 2024 15:47:21 GMT -8
3/13/24, starting about 7:41 p.m.
I've really enjoyed this thread, most recently the last two posts before I started writing this.
TBird1958, enjoyed your fiction as well as your modeling. If turns out that the great "Sorry Charlie" ads in which the tuna voiced by Herschel Bernardi is told that Star Kist doesn't want tuna with good taste but tuna that tastes good was from the 1970s.
Being a fan of the "Pennsylvania Dutch", I also really like the "Don't Stand Me Still" cars, and like what bn7023 did to improve the old MDC Roundhouse car.
I'll add that the Mennonite Central Committee car that was released many years ago, I think by Train-Miniature, mostly gray and orange, was entirely fictional, which I didn't know when I bought one. I sold it or gave it away long ago. The Mennonite equivalent of the American Friends Service Committee never had boxcars painted for it, nor did the AFSC.
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