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Post by James Ashley on May 7, 2024 7:42:18 GMT -8
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Post by ssw on May 7, 2024 10:29:10 GMT -8
I would like some additional GRR cars and a train of the WRRC cars, but at $45 retail, that's gonna be a real short train.
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Post by Frank on May 7, 2024 10:31:17 GMT -8
Glad to see the woodchip hoppers again, that last run was disastrous and Walthers left a whole lot of money on the table with those. Plus we get Bay Line and Appalachicola Northern versions back, even better. If I remember correctly, the original model was based specifically on the AN ordered versions but were mighty close in dimension to the other road names too.
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Post by middledivision on May 7, 2024 11:15:40 GMT -8
The Ortner cars are nice. Wish they would run the ballast hoppers again.
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Post by Baikal on May 7, 2024 11:34:14 GMT -8
When were the prototypes built? Did L&N or SCL (pre-Family Lines) have any or very similar?
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Post by sd80mac on May 7, 2024 12:28:59 GMT -8
I'm digging the Mainline SD70M/SD75M/SD75I.
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Post by edwardsutorik on May 7, 2024 12:58:16 GMT -8
When were the prototypes built?
Early '70's SCL had them. Also AN, Georgia Pacific, MOP, ATSF, SOU Ed |
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Post by Frank on May 7, 2024 17:08:42 GMT -8
When were the prototypes built? Did L&N or SCL (pre-Family Lines) have any or very similar?
Similar ones, yes. Not quite as large or elaborate of side panels though. www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/original-slide-scl-seaboard-coast-3701304337L&N had the same cars but in brown with white lettering. They didn’t buy too many before the bigger cars came around. Looks like this Greenville car came onto the scene around 1974 and were delivered in the very new Family Lines scheme. |
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Post by loco8107 on May 7, 2024 17:45:26 GMT -8
The Ortner cars are nice. Wish they would run the ballast hoppers again. Happy to see the CR Quality ones being made again. I might have to get one. |
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Post by hudsonyard on May 7, 2024 18:21:01 GMT -8
I see an ACL covered hopper i'll toss into a larger order from lombard in 6-9 months time.
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Post by Baikal on May 8, 2024 5:32:40 GMT -8
When were the prototypes built? Did L&N or SCL (pre-Family Lines) have any or very similar?
Similar ones, yes. Not quite as large or elaborate of side panels though. www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/original-slide-scl-seaboard-coast-3701304337L&N had the same cars but in brown with white lettering. They didn’t buy too many before the bigger cars came around. Looks like this Greenville car came onto the scene around 1974 and were delivered in the very new Family Lines scheme.
Thanks. I'm changing my focus to L&N and SAL/ACL/SCL circa '66-'69 or the pre-"Pulling for You" loco lettering. Anything newer is out. I've been a member of both historical societies for about 5 years but I'm traveling and don't have access to most of my reference material.
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Post by edwardsutorik on May 8, 2024 6:46:07 GMT -8
When were the prototypes built? Did L&N or SCL (pre-Family Lines) have any or very similar?
Similar ones, yes. Not quite as large or elaborate of side panels though. www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/original-slide-scl-seaboard-coast-3701304337L&N had the same cars but in brown with white lettering. They didn’t buy too many before the bigger cars came around. Looks like this Greenville car came onto the scene around 1974 and were delivered in the very new Family Lines scheme. That's a photo of a P-S car, not a Greenville. The P-S cars were SCL 195000-195399 (built 1971). The Greenville cars were SCL 195975-196174 (built 1975): www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=86401So I guess these models will not be useful for Baikal. Ed |
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Post by Baikal on May 8, 2024 9:06:14 GMT -8
Similar ones, yes. Not quite as large or elaborate of side panels though. www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/original-slide-scl-seaboard-coast-3701304337L&N had the same cars but in brown with white lettering. They didn’t buy too many before the bigger cars came around. Looks like this Greenville car came onto the scene around 1974 and were delivered in the very new Family Lines scheme. That's a photo of a P-S car, not a Greenville. The P-S cars were SCL 195000-195399 (built 1971). The Greenville cars were SCL 195975-196174 (built 1975): www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=86401So I guess these models will not be useful for Baikal. Ed
The presence of ACI labels is the primary determining factor for my self-imposed cut-off date. Approx 1968-1970.
By the time cabooses were replaced by graffiti my interest in all railroads drops way off. Around 1980.
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Post by riogrande on May 8, 2024 9:32:06 GMT -8
Regarding the Rio Grande P-S 3-bay covered hopper, the number series on the model doesn't even show up in RR-FallenFlags so I'm guessing it's fictitious. Couldn't find any matches in railcarphoto's either. Looks like a bust but I'll check my Color Guide when I get home.
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Post by Colin 't Hart on May 8, 2024 13:07:16 GMT -8
Regarding the Rio Grande P-S 3-bay covered hopper, the number series on the model doesn't even show up in RR-FallenFlags so I'm guessing it's fictitious. Couldn't find any matches in railcarphoto's either. Looks like a bust but I'll check my Color Guide when I get home. Looks pretty accurate to me. Lettering isn't at a Moloco or Tangent level, but it's better than some other companies' models which cost a whole lot more. pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Jim-Kinkaid-Freight-Car-Builders-Photo-Collection/Railroad-D/i-rLnjL2D |
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Post by ICG1411 on May 8, 2024 13:17:59 GMT -8
Regarding the Rio Grande P-S 3-bay covered hopper, the number series on the model doesn't even show up in RR-FallenFlags so I'm guessing it's fictitious. Couldn't find any matches in railcarphoto's either. Looks like a bust but I'll check my Color Guide when I get home. Looking at my Jan. 1979 Equipment Register, there were still 22 cars in the series #18197-18224. 5 of those, 18198(one of the Walthers numbers),18208,1821,18217 & 18222 show that they were equipped with Gravity-Pneumatic gates and lined. John |
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Post by milgentrains on May 8, 2024 13:27:48 GMT -8
I'll be in for a few of the Conrail PS-2 3 Bay Hoppers.
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Post by riogrande on May 8, 2024 13:31:40 GMT -8
Regarding the Rio Grande P-S 3-bay covered hopper, the number series on the model doesn't even show up in RR-FallenFlags so I'm guessing it's fictitious. Couldn't find any matches in railcarphoto's either. Looks like a bust but I'll check my Color Guide when I get home. Looks pretty accurate to me. Lettering isn't at a Moloco or Tangent level, but it's better than some other companies' models which cost a whole lot more. pullman-lib.smugmug.com/Jim-Kinkaid-Freight-Car-Builders-Photo-Collection/Railroad-D/i-rLnjL2DI reserved my final determination until I checked Jim Eagers Color Guide; I'm at home now. Page 88 - "Twenty eight three-bay PS2 were delivered from Pullman Standard in 1959, and although they were similar to the ACF cars, there were differences. Most noticeable the PS's only had 11 side posts, leaving two wide panels between hoppers, while the ACF cars had 13 evenly spaced ribs. The roof hatches were also evenly spaced on the ACF cars as well. A more important distinction for the railroad was that the Pullman cars had a slightly smaller capacity of 2,893 cubic feet. Six of the PS2s had pneumatic outlets and interior lining. The car was still in revenue service hauling cement when photographed in Bakersfield California, in March of 1992 (Chris Butts). When I saw the announcement I had a vague memory of vetting these cars before and purchased 3 of them from past runs. But the old memory isn't what it used to be so I felt compelled to re-verify again. |
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Post by wagnersteve on May 8, 2024 15:47:13 GMT -8
May 8, 2024, starting about 7: 20 p.m., having just turned on the radio for the Boston Red Sox game in Atlanta
Thanks to James Ashley for starting this thread and to others who've posted on it. In case anyone might be interested, I'll copy parts of what I've written today in a draft of my "Modeling Matters" column for the July issue of the Bridge Line Historical Society Bulletin, the monthly publication of a group of fans of the Delaware & Hudson. The only one involved in producing it who gets paid is the printer.
[Umder D&H HO model news]
Walthers
Announcements the firm posted May 7 include a new run of highly detailed Proto series models of 40-ft.100-ton open aggregate hoppers built by Ortner starting in the 1970s, meant for hauling heavy aggregates such as limestone, gravel and sand, or iron ore or taconite pellets. These unusual-looking cars have high, boxy bodies with ribbed sides above three outlet hoppers -- plus end platforms. Among the paint schemes is one for Western Railroad Company: gray with bright red lettering including WRRC in big sans serif capitals. Walthers order numbers are 920-106046 through 106048 for WRRC 105, 141 and 207, respectively, at $44.98 each.
The second of those could easily be used to replicate a single car acquired by our favorite railroad, showed in a photo on p. 79 of The D&H Color Guide, made by Craig T. Bossler at Reading, PA 12/23/1988. Simply paint a lighter gray patch over the WCCR reporting marks gray and then add black D&H in condensed Roman on it, plus a black sans serif 8 before the 141.
I greatly enjoyed a visit to New Braunfels in the early 1980s, despite the heat in August. I swam at a park in a shady pool that is the source of the shortest river in the Lone Star State, ate good German-style food with some beer and danced waltzes and polkas at one of that small city’s German-American beer gardens, but I wasn’t aware of the railroad. Wikipedia shows that it still exists, just south of that small city, with just 1.9 miles of track connecting a quarry and cement plant since 1974 with parallel lines of the Missouri Pacific and the Missouri-Kansas-Texas, now both part of the Union Pacific’s Austin Subdivision.
A 2003 movie, Schultze Gets the Blues, centers on a retired salt miner in the former East Germany who plays in a traditional oompah band but actually prefers the zydeco music he hears on US Armed Forces Radio. He wins a trip to New Braunfels but ends up in Cajun country farther east. A not-so-old song includes “small world, isn’t it? Small and funny and nice.” I’d add “sometimes” before the “nice”. [I'm almost certain this paragraph will be cut.]
[Under Northeastern / Canadian / Alco HO news]
[Under Walthers]
The firm posted new announcements May 5. Highlights include the following.
Modelers of the recent past and present may welcome a new run of models of big – Plate F, 73 feet long – open hopper cars built by Greenville for carrying woodchips from sawmills to paper mills to saw mills. Since they are in the Mainline series, their ladders and bracing are part of the body casting, but the correct rows of bulges between their vertical outside ribs show at least on the outside of the models. Their features include prototypical interior bracing, detailed door latches and brake gear, a die-cast metal underframe, 100-ton trucks with 36-in. turned metal RP-25 wheels and ProtoMAX™ metal magnetic couplers.
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An undecorated car with grab plastic body and black truck sideframes and couplers lists for $34.98. This could be painted black and lettered as cars used to bring woodchips to the Burlington Electric power plant in that Vermont city. I am not aware of any decal or dry transfer for that outfit’s name, which some cars in that service have worn, but alphabet lettering could be used. At least one was bought used: ex-MP 492703, later VPCX 542, later MBCX and MCNX. [One of our youngest members has made several videos showing such cars in service, as have others, which I've seen on the Internet. I've seen a few of these cars myself.]
[Under Other HO news]
Walthers
The firm’s May announcements included a Cornerstone kit named “Victoria Street Springs”, stated to be “typical of smaller stations built from the 180s on . . . by many railroads” and to be suitable for “steam-era layouts or as a restored structure in contemporary scenes”, with “authentic Victorian Era trim & detail”, with a separate (nonworking) train order semaphore signal. The kit is molded in light ivory and clear styrene plastic.
I am nearly certain that when built up the kit replicates the “Grizzly Flats” station that Ward Kimball, one of Walt Disney’s animators, designed and built for his own narrow gauge Grizzly Flats Railroad in San Gabriel, California. It helped re-interest his boss in old-time railroading, leading to the railroads in Disney’s theme parts. See the Wikipedia article on the GFRR. The building is cute and, if my memory is correct, quite similar to a real Lehigh Valley depot. Modelers and railfans “of a certain age” may readily recognize it. It lists for $27.98, with expected delivery this summer. I am tempted to get and build one.
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Post by Baikal on May 8, 2024 16:51:20 GMT -8
Walthers The firm’s May announcements included a Cornerstone kit named “Victoria Street Springs”, stated to be “typical of smaller stations built from the 180s on . . . by many railroads” and to be suitable for “steam-era layouts or as a restored structure in contemporary scenes”, with “authentic Victorian Era trim & detail”, with a separate (nonworking) train order semaphore signal. The kit is molded in light ivory and clear styrene plastic. I am nearly certain that when built up the kit replicates the “Grizzly Flats” station that Ward Kimball, one of Walt Disney’s animators, designed and built for his own narrow gauge Grizzly Flats Railroad in San Gabriel, California. It helped re-interest his boss in old-time railroading, leading to the railroads in Disney’s theme parts. See the Wikipedia article on the GFRR. The building is cute and, if my memory is correct, quite similar to a real Lehigh Valley depot. Modelers and railfans “of a certain age” may readily recognize it. It lists for $27.98, with expected delivery this summer. I am tempted to get and build one.
San Gabriel is a city with some other interesting history: Mission San Gabriel Arcángel, fourth of the 21 original Calif missions. Established 1771 it's still there, right in the middle, still a church. You can walk right in.
Born there:
Pio Pico, last Mexican governor of Alta California.
Gen George S Patton (Hey it's Victory Day today & tomorrow depending on where you are!)
Susan Atkins (Charles Manson associate)
Bill Mumy (Twilight Zone's "Anthony" & Lost in Space)
Hanged by the neck there but survived:
Judge Roy Bean
Died there:
Curley Howard (Three Stooges)
The SP Sunset Route main runs thru it, now in a trench. It has lots of authentic Mexican and Chinese restaurants. Nice place.
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Post by Donnell Wells on Jun 23, 2024 14:06:02 GMT -8
I'm digging the Mainline SD70M/SD75M/SD75I. So am I! The modeler in me really appreciates the “blank slate” approach to their Mainline diesel series, and the fact that they are still moderately affordable is nice. They are kind of like the “new” bluebox locomotive. I have several of their SD70ACes and ES44ACs. I will gladly add a few of the new SD70Ms to round out the Mainline fleet! I see a Mainline C44-9W and AC4400CW coming at some point in the future! Donnell |
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Post by drolsen on Jun 29, 2024 22:10:21 GMT -8
It looks like the Greenville woodchip hoppers have shipped to dealers and are already listed as out of stock / discontinued at Walthers. They seem to have done this twice now with the woodchip cars, where they go from announcement to delivery in about 3 months. Seems like an unusually quick turnaround for a release. Dave |
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Post by hudsonyard on Jun 29, 2024 22:25:34 GMT -8
It looks like the Greenville woodchip hoppers have shipped to dealers and are already listed as out of stock / discontinued at Walthers. They seem to have done this twice now with the woodchip cars, where they go from announcement to delivery in about 3 months. Seems like an unusually quick turnaround for a release. Dave
Lombard has a grip of them currently, act quickly!
I've never understood the heat around these cars, I mean they are neat and unique but are really regionally restricted.
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Post by platec on Jun 30, 2024 10:43:42 GMT -8
Lombard has a grip of them currently, act quickly! I've never understood the heat around these cars, I mean they are neat and unique but are really regionally restricted.
I'm guessing if you're modeling the deep South post 1970 they're going to be an ubiquitous car. |
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Post by wagnersteve on Jun 30, 2024 11:05:28 GMT -8
June 20, shortly after 3 p.m., EDT
Burlington Electric in Vermont gets a lot of wood from about a 50-mile radius in VT, NY and perhaps also Canada. I have at least one young friend who may want to paint and letter some of the big Greenville-built cars used for this.
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Post by Frank on Jun 30, 2024 14:11:49 GMT -8
It looks like the Greenville woodchip hoppers have shipped to dealers and are already listed as out of stock / discontinued at Walthers. They seem to have done this twice now with the woodchip cars, where they go from announcement to delivery in about 3 months. Seems like an unusually quick turnaround for a release. Dave Last time they were already on route to Walthers before the announcement was made. Maybe the same again here. It is kind of funny, as last time they caught flack for not allowing time for preorders which ran about twice the level of available product. As an aside for their popularity, these cars are critical for modelers in the South as mentioned. Not only that, the Bay Line and AN schemes in particular have not seen the light of day in more than 20 years and are a constant request for re-running. The black version of the Southern cars were never run before last go around and were another highly requested scheme. |
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Post by lvrr325 on Jun 30, 2024 23:48:41 GMT -8
I see them on the Virtual Railfan cams in Texas and some other places, now that they're old they get around.
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Post by jeoffreythecat on Jul 3, 2024 12:37:05 GMT -8
June 20, shortly after 3 p.m., EDT Burlington Electric in Vermont gets a lot of wood from about a 50-mile radius in VT, NY and perhaps also Canada. I have at least one young friend who may want to paint and letter some of the big Greenville-built cars used for this. Herald King made decals for these cars (PR-163) but good luck finding them. |
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