Blaine

[typhoon]

Jun 11, 2024 5:07:03 GMT -8 richardthomasatal said:

Then let's address charge backs on your card. The maximum most card companies cover is 60 days. It wasn't clear he was going to run off with the money until late last year when the order was placed in June of last year.

There should be no issue with a 6 month window when fraud is obvious.   

[Baikal]

Jun 11, 2024 8:20:35 GMT -8 typhoon said:

Jun 11, 2024 7:20:07 GMT -8 Baikal said:

I rest my case.

Good for you. (Nobody cares)  My statement is still a fact.  

Except you, my friend.  Thanks for caring.

[richardthomasatal]

I did use a credit card and it's 60 days, and despite severity of an accident even though he magically was working with Rapido afterwards, he has had a YEAR to communicate this and refund money. I hope the critical members get taken one day, see how they feel and I'll be sure to come up with every excuse in the book I can come up with to cover for the criminal that takes them for any amount.  LDS Stonecraft is another LLC listed under him as renewed in 2024.  He also became a board member of a local cat rescue in 2024.  Sounds like he is not so incapacitated after all.  But hey, whatever lets all just collectively throw our hands up and give up and stop whining.  After a year, anything should be forgiven regardless of what it is according to these same people that complain about a brake line being 1/2 a millimeter off placed on a model.

[SOMECALLMETIM]

So what exactly are you wanting? Do you want us to form a mob of pitchforks and torches to tar and feather him? Do you want everyone to say he's bad and Arrowhead sucks? We get it, he took your money and a number of other people's money. He's a thief. If I ever see him again, I'll let him know. What do you want?

[richardthomasatal]

Jun 11, 2024 9:14:53 GMT -8 SOMECALLMETIM said:

So what exactly are you wanting? Do you want us to form a mob of pitchforks and torches to tar and feather him? Do you want everyone to say he's bad and Arrowhead sucks? We get it, he took your money and a number of other people's money. He's a thief. If I ever see him again, I'll let him know. What do you want?

    
   I didn't ask for anything from the people of this forum, but getting excuses on why he's taken money and being told it's no big deal to shut up about it are not appreciated.  I often wonder what you all do for a living considering many are not able to use basic logic.  What made you think I wanted anything from this forum?  The OP asked a question, other people said it's beating a dead horse and I said it's not.  In theory, maybe the public pressure would encourage Blaine to return people's money that's over five figures when everyone I know of is counted up.  By not letting it die maybe it could gain some traction which is an unlikely but hopeful outcome.  My simple stance is I will not be silent about it at the request of others.  I'll be silent about it when we're darn good and ready.

[typhoon]

Jun 11, 2024 8:47:09 GMT -8 richardthomasatal said:

I did use a credit card and it's 60 days,

Mastercard, Visa and AMEX all have 120 days limits, and will extend them if you can prove fraud.   Again, I have had no issues using a charge back with AMEX at 6 months, when I was able to prove fraud.  Don't use a janky card and you will not have an issue.   



The bottom line is look out for yourself, and don't expect others to do it for you.

[typhoon]

Jun 11, 2024 8:26:13 GMT -8 Baikal said:

Jun 11, 2024 8:20:35 GMT -8 typhoon said:

Good for you. (Nobody cares)  My statement is still a fact.  

Except you, my friend.  Thanks for caring.

Thanks for the laugh.  Your posts are usually good for one. 

[richardthomasatal]

Jun 11, 2024 12:22:14 GMT -8 typhoon said:

Jun 11, 2024 8:47:09 GMT -8 richardthomasatal said:

I did use a credit card and it's 60 days,

Mastercard, Visa and AMEX all have 120 days limits, and will extend them if you can prove fraud.   Again, I have had no issues using a charge back with AMEX at 6 months, when I was able to prove fraud.  Don't use a janky card and you will not have an issue.   



The bottom line is look out for yourself, and don't expect others to do it for you.

   They have a 120 day limit if they deem it appropriate.  Typical is 60 days.  My bank SOFI right around the 120 day mark said no.  The website was still up and there was no indication he had gone out of business so it was being treated as a pre order or some nonsense.  But good job shifting the blame to the consumer from the crook.

[riogrande]

If I purchase something with my credit card and don't get it within 30 days (which is more than reasonable), I'll be looking at reporting it to my credit card company. I'm not going to wait until it is too late. But what do I know?

[edwardsutorik]

FWIW:

from the Federal Trade Commission:

16 CFR Part 435
Rule Summary
The Rule, issued in 1975, requires sellers who solicit buyers to order merchandise through the mail, via the Internet, or by phone to have a reasonable basis to expect that the sellers can ship within the advertised time frame, or, if no time frame is specified, within 30 days. The Rule also requires that, when a seller cannot ship within the promised time, the seller must obtain the buyer’s consent to a delay in shipping or refund payment for the unshipped merchandise.



Ed

[typhoon]

Jun 12, 2024 4:41:05 GMT -8 richardthomasatal said:

Jun 11, 2024 12:22:14 GMT -8 typhoon said:

Mastercard, Visa and AMEX all have 120 days limits, and will extend them if you can prove fraud.   Again, I have had no issues using a charge back with AMEX at 6 months, when I was able to prove fraud.  Don't use a janky card and you will not have an issue.   



The bottom line is look out for yourself, and don't expect others to do it for you.

   They have a 120 day limit if they deem it appropriate.  Typical is 60 days.  My bank SOFI right around the 120 day mark said no.  The website was still up and there was no indication he had gone out of business so it was being treated as a pre order or some nonsense.  But good job shifting the blame to the consumer from the crook.

Assigning blame is not a mutually exclusive game.  There is blame to be assessed to everyone involved here.  Sorry the truth hurts so much.  

[richardthomasatal]

Jun 12, 2024 8:52:40 GMT -8 typhoon said:

Jun 12, 2024 4:41:05 GMT -8 richardthomasatal said:

   They have a 120 day limit if they deem it appropriate.  Typical is 60 days.  My bank SOFI right around the 120 day mark said no.  The website was still up and there was no indication he had gone out of business so it was being treated as a pre order or some nonsense.  But good job shifting the blame to the consumer from the crook.

Assigning blame is not a mutually exclusive game.  There is blame to be assessed to everyone involved here.  Sorry the truth hurts so much.  

   Blaming the customer is about the most asinine thing I've ever heard of.  Being in this hobby delays are normal.  Disputing a charge in 120 days is not always the best approach with how often you have to wait for things.  In some cases large checks were written from other distributors to him.  Are they at fault to?  GTFOH with that bs.

[The Ferro Kid]

Does anybody have access to a legal research service that could show whether Arrowhead Models has filed a bankruptcy?

In theory, if a bankruptcy were filed, each creditor should receive notice. But there can be slip-ups there.

And sometimes a debtor will not file for bankruptcy until a major creditor files suit.

[jonklein611]

Jun 12, 2024 9:18:19 GMT -8 The Ferro Kid said:

Does anybody have access to a legal research service that could show whether Arrowhead Models has filed a bankruptcy?

In theory, if a bankruptcy were filed, each creditor should receive notice. But there can be slip-ups there.

And sometimes a debtor will not file for bankruptcy until a major creditor files suit.

Depends on what state the business is registered in as well.

[typhoon]

Jun 12, 2024 8:59:53 GMT -8 richardthomasatal said:

Jun 12, 2024 8:52:40 GMT -8 typhoon said:

Assigning blame is not a mutually exclusive game.  There is blame to be assessed to everyone involved here.  Sorry the truth hurts so much.  

   Blaming the customer is about the most asinine thing I've ever heard of.  Being in this hobby delays are normal.  Disputing a charge in 120 days is not always the best approach with how often you have to wait for things.  In some cases large checks were written from other distributors to him.  Are they at fault to?  GTFOH with that bs.

Boo Hoo for you, feel better?

[richardthomasatal]

Jun 12, 2024 11:47:48 GMT -8 typhoon said:

Jun 12, 2024 8:59:53 GMT -8 richardthomasatal said:

   Blaming the customer is about the most asinine thing I've ever heard of.  Being in this hobby delays are normal.  Disputing a charge in 120 days is not always the best approach with how often you have to wait for things.  In some cases large checks were written from other distributors to him.  Are they at fault to?  GTFOH with that bs.

Boo Hoo for you, feel better?

  I'd like to get everyone who lost money out from behind their keyboards, and your scrawny butt out from behind yours.  We meet up somewhere we can all drive to and have you say that in person and we'll see who will be boo hooing.  Keyboard warrior.

[Donnell Wells]

Okay, I've heard enough from both sides about Blaine. This is obviously an issue that is not going to get resolved on this forum. While I appreciate the discussion, it is skirting the line of civility. So, for those of you here that have an issue with Blaine and Arrowhead tying up your money, I would suggest that you PM each other and organize some effort to resolve off the main forum pages.

Donnell

[ST974]

Typhoon is out of line here and deserves a ban. Laughing in the face of people that had their money taken. It makes me question if he has ties to Blaine directly. We should support our fellow modelers, not ridicule them for being ripped off.

[typhoon]

Jun 13, 2024 9:11:56 GMT -8 ST974 said:

Typhoon is out of line here and deserves a ban. Laughing in the face of people that had their money taken. It makes me question if he has ties to Blaine directly. We should support our fellow modelers, not ridicule them for being ripped off.

Never met him sorry to say.   Bought a couple of his PRR hoppers from Lombard, not bad models.  That is my only dealings with his company  

I am only laughing at one person, who just threatened physical harm to myself.  But I deserve the ban?   That did make me laugh as well. 

Anyway, we were asked to cool it so I am out.   

[grabirons]

He should sell the tooling off to scale trains and have them take over his line.

[prr 4467]

Since it was asked above, my business is professional engineering, where one's word and public conduct actually do matter, because like other licensed professionals (like your doctor), I can be sued if something I did results in injury or fatality to the public (has not yet happened in 32 years thankfully). We are far from perfect but everything we do is from the point of trying to keep the public safe even when they are stupid, also knowing that we can try but we really can't design for the idiot (gov't agencies still expect us to try anyway).

Having ordered from Blaine twice in the past, and having had to return one defective order of the bright yellow CNW covered hoppers for credit because the assembly was BAD, Blaine factually did refund my money and sincerely apologized, even said he had ALREADY made arrangements to switch manufacturers doing the assembly overseas.

Sometime after my interaction with him, things clearly went south. I was one who advocated for giving him the benefit of the doubt at the time, many months ago now.

It appears that I was wrong, and that pre-orders may have been taken without goods being actually delivered. This is an understatement, but I'm very sad to hear that has occurred.

John

[locochris]

I just noticed that the Arrowhead website is back up. So that's interesting.

[riogrande]

Indeed, the website is back up.

[packer]

[jeoffreythecat]

The site has copyright 2024 so that was updated.

[kentuckysouthernrwy]

[Colin 't Hart]

Nov 20, 2024 13:45:20 GMT -8 jeoffreythecat said:

The site has copyright 2024 so that was updated.

Shopify hosted sites seem to do that automatically.

[cpr4200]

The website shows Conrail Committee Design Hoppers as "ordering temporarily paused." Is that something new? Their tagline "the leader in customer experience" is a little ironic.

[locochris]

Nov 23, 2024 15:03:20 GMT -8 cpr4200 said:

The website shows Conrail Committee Design Hoppers as "ordering temporarily paused." Is that something new? Their tagline "the leader in customer experience" is a little ironic.

No, not new, I remember it saying that before.